slave training seminar

[Shadowsdream]

I am going to be doing a slave training seminar this weekend and have decided to do a portion that will have the audience choosing cards blindly that will have a topic on them. I always enjoy this segment where the audience participation actually becomes very lively and interactive.

I will also do a segment that brings subs and Dom/mes from the audience to participate in rituals.

So I said to Myself..."Self, what topics would interest My Lit Friends if they were in My audience?"

Any suggestions?

 

[MissTaken]

I would be very interested in learning and observing foot worship.

There is so much more to it than getting on your knees.

 

[Kajira Callista]

I am going to be doing a slave training seminar this weekend and have decided to do a portion that will have the audience choosing cards blindly that will have a topic on them. I always enjoy this segment where the audience participation actually becomes very lively and interactive.

I will also do a segment that brings subs and Dom/mes from the audience to participate in rituals.

So I said to Myself..."Self, what topics would interest My Lit Friends if they were in My audience?"

Any suggestions?

Hmmm *thinks to self* All Shadowsdream would have to do is...well hell you wouldn't need a topic Ma'am ...you just standing there would certainly hold my interest.

 

[Shadowsdream]

I would be very interested in learning and observing foot worship.

There is so much more to it than getting on your knees.

Thank You Miss T....that is one I had not considered but certainly could get a good discussion going..especially with a demo!

 

[Shadowsdream]

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Hmmm *thinks to self* All Shadowsdream would have to do is...well hell you wouldn't need a topic Ma'am ...you just standing there would certainly hold my interest.

~~grin~~

 

[Sir_Winston54]

<major snippage>Any suggestions?

I'm always eager to attend demos on fireplay, electro-play and bondage, particularly Japanese style... Don't know if you're into any of those, but they seem to get a good "draw" at all the events I've been to.

 

[Shadowsdream]

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I'm always eager to attend demos on fireplay, electro-play and bondage, particularly Japanese style... Don't know if you're into any of those, but they seem to get a good "draw" at all the events I've been to.

Actually the event I will be speaking at will have some amazing demos going on...fireplay, flesh hook full body suspension, the Thing, Joe Wheeler the whip maker..etc...

My gig will be more the psychology of training a sub or slave while delving into the psychology of the dominants as well.

The softer stuff as far as the physical so as to complement the class beside Me on CBT!


shhhh don't tell anyone...but...I will be getting My first single tail, a Joe Wheeler 4 footer!

 

[snowy ciara]

May I ask what "the Thing" is, please? I've never encountered it before.

As for seminars..

Mental bondage intrigues me, so do mindfucks. Something else I saw in a book that got me curious.. How does a female Domme rape a male sub? I get the mechanics; I know one would need a strap on and all that, but what about the mental part of it. The intimidation and the fear and emotions involved? It's the mental manipulation that I'm curious about. I don't remember You speaking of training female slaves, but if You have; is there a big difference between training male and female slaves? It seems that the emotional needs of a guy would be different than mine, but we're all human underneath, so maybe it's all the same anyway?

I'll probably think of lots more questions later when I'm having insomnia.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Good questions

John Green of JG leathers will demonstrate The Creature and all the diabolical attachments that go with it. These include large leather and rubber spring loaded breast cups with built-in solenoid vacuum valves, electrical contacts for connection to TENS units and an devilishly perverted selection of insertables fitted with multiple electrodes. This is a fascinating presentation incorporating severe bondage, sensory deprivation, and electric stimulation....info from the event.

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you have posted many good questions here all of which could make a very good thread topic. Perhaps you might like to consider seeing where they could go individually as conversations?

I would be pleased to join you.

May I ask what "the Thing" is, please? I've never encountered it before.

As for seminars..

Mental bondage intrigues me, so do mindfucks. Something else I saw in a book that got me curious.. How does a female Domme rape a male sub? I get the mechanics; I know one would need a strap on and all that, but what about the mental part of it. The intimidation and the fear and emotions involved? It's the mental manipulation that I'm curious about. I don't remember You speaking of training female slaves, but if You have; is there a big difference between training male and female slaves? It seems that the emotional needs of a guy would be different than mine, but we're all human underneath, so maybe it's all the same anyway?

I'll probably think of lots more questions later when I'm having insomnia.

 

[snowy ciara]

Thank you! Several of the other PYL's round this joint have learned never to ask me if I have any questions.. Cause they'll get lots of questions!


I'm always a bit leary of starting starting "serious" threads over on the talk side cause I'm intimidated by my lack of experience. It's like the man who can't take a bath in more than three inches of water discussing deep sea diving.


As for the Thing.. Major factor here. Thanks for the explanation.. But I think I'd rather just watch that demo then participate!

 

[Shadowsdream]

Thank you! Several of the other PYL's round this joint have learned never to ask me if I have any questions.. Cause they'll get lots of questions!


I'm always a bit leary of starting starting "serious" threads over on the talk side cause I'm intimidated by my lack of experience. It's like the man who can't take a bath in more than three inches of water discussing deep sea diving.


As for the Thing.. Major factor here. Thanks for the explanation.. But I think I'd rather just watch that demo then participate!

It is through questions that you find answers, if you never ask how can you learn?

So pick one of the questions you suggested to Me and I will bravely take it to the talk side.

~~smile~~

 

[Esclava]

<-----Raises hand to be recognized...

...and waits patiently.

Esclava

 

[Shadowsdream]

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...and waits patiently.

Esclava

~~smile~~ hello and welcome..any questions to supply?

 

[Esclava]

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~~smile~~ hello and welcome..any questions to supply?

Hello, ma'am and thank you.

The thing that causes me the most consternation is how does a PYL break the will of an intensely strong-willed pyl - without breaking their spirit?

Best of luck in your seminar, sweet MShadowsDream.

Esclava

 

[Shadowsdream]

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Hello, ma'am and thank you.

The thing that causes me the most consternation is how does a PYL break the will of an intensely strong-willed pyl - without breaking their spirit?

Best of luck in your seminar, sweet MShadowsDream.

Esclava

That is a very good question...and a very easy answer...gently...calmly...firmly...and consistenly standing behind Your honor and integrity...for the Dom/me. Kind of a over simplification...but definately a good subject.

 

[Esclava]

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That is a very good question...and a very easy answer...gently...calmly...firmly...and consistenly standing behind Your honor and integrity...for the Dom/me. Kind of a over simplification...but definately a good subject.

If you don't mind me saying it, ma'am - it is not oversimplified at all. Those things are difficult - at times INCREDIBLY difficult - to attain AND maintain with a strong-willed pyl.

If a PYL is on a power trip, my experience has been that both honor and integrity go right out the window - kind of like the baby with the bathwater.

But I am quite sure there are still honorable, strong PYLs for those strong-willed pyls walking this path alone. Thank you!

(P.S.: I certainly hope there are, otherwise I will be alone...)

Esclava

 

[Shadowsdream]

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If you don't mind me saying it, ma'am - it is not oversimplified at all. Those things are difficult - at times INCREDIBLY difficult - to attain AND maintain with a strong-willed pyl.

If a PYL is on a power trip, my experience has been that both honor and integrity go right out the window - kind of like the baby with the bathwater.

But I am quite sure there are still honorable, strong PYLs for those strong-willed pyls walking this path alone. Thank you!

(P.S.: I certainly hope there are, otherwise I will be alone...)

Esclava

I think strong willed is a good thing as long as it is not a bull headed attitude dressed as strong willed.

 

[Esclava]

Something else along that same line...

Have you found that there is such a thing as an easily trained, but strong-willed pyl?

You know the one I'm speaking of - the pyl who knows it is in their best interest to be a pleasing submissive (always obedient to every command) - but makes their PYL work every step of the way by, respectfully, questioning EVERYTHING for clarification.

Or exercising their mind by fencing words with their PYL - only to be bested and admit defeat - yet reveling in the strength of a PYL that can - and will - allow such mental gymnastics.

Is it possible to harness - yet liberate - such a pyl?

Esclava

 

[A Desert Rose]

I am going to be doing a slave training seminar this weekend and have decided to do a portion that will have the audience choosing cards blindly that will have a topic on them. I always enjoy this segment where the audience participation actually becomes very lively and interactive.

I will also do a segment that brings subs and Dom/mes from the audience to participate in rituals.

So I said to Myself..."Self, what topics would interest My Lit Friends if they were in My audience?"

Any suggestions?

I imagine a month long training seminar with You would be quite remarkable and memorable for me.

Nope, a weekend wouldn't cut it, at all. ;-D

Fisting, Ma'am?

 

[Esclava]

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I think strong willed is a good thing as long as it is not a bull headed attitude dressed as strong willed.

I understand - bull headed is knowing the answer and asking the question just because you can. I believe one should only question a PYL if you truly don't understand what is expected.

My online Master invites my questions and many times we have had intense discussions where He has allowed me to exercise my mind.

But when he says the words, "That is my decision." - I know better than to say anything other than, "Yes, Master."

It keeps punishments to a minimum and rewards to a maximum.

Esclava

 

[Shadowsdream]

Re: Something else along that same line...

Have you found that there is such a thing as an easily trained, but strong-willed pyl?

You know the one I'm speaking of - the pyl who knows it is in their best interest to be a pleasing submissive (always obedient to every command) - but makes their PYL work every step of the way by, respectfully, questioning EVERYTHING for clarification.

Or exercising their mind by fencing words with their PYL - only to be bested and admit defeat - yet reveling in the strength of a PYL that can - and will - allow such mental gymnastics.

Is it possible to harness - yet liberate - such a pyl?

Esclava

I have no doubt that liberation will come to the sub once her/his will has been harnessed but I also believe that with such a submissive the harnessing is better served to allow a certain amount of fencing before bringing down the crop!

If the fencing is done to reassure that the control and intellect is still dependable and sure. It really is not realistic to see perfection in any sub..and when I do..I really begin to look between the lines to see why there is no flaw..sometimes on rare occassions..perfection can in fact be a mask for imperfection.

 

[Esclava]

I understand, ma'am.

I shall return tomorrow - with more questions. Thank you,

Esclava

 

[Netzach]

The only way I've ever broken anyone down is though a long process of seduction, patience, demonstrated trustworthiness, and focus on the goal that is NOT visible to the person in question but still pulls them in towards it.

If I were going to a seminar on slave training I'd be interested in the micromanage/versus leeway issue. I think SM is leaning more and more towards fostering dependency in slaves. Some slaves I know from earlier leather decades or belonging to those Masters/Mistresses from earlier decades, or even just out of a certain school of thought in the Leather community...they are markedly independent, even maverick. Are we turning our back on usefulness?

 

[Shadowsdream]

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I imagine a month long training seminar with You would be quite remarkable and memorable for me.

Nope, a weekend wouldn't cut it, at all. ;-D

Fisting, Ma'am?

Ah ha fisting could be a very good topic....now where will I find a victim?

 

[Esclava]

The only way I've ever broken anyone down is though a long process of seduction, patience, demonstrated trustworthiness, and focus on the goal that is NOT visible to the person in question but still pulls them in towards it.

If I were going to a seminar on slave training I'd be interested in the micromanage/versus leeway issue. I think SM is leaning more and more towards fostering dependency in slaves, where slaves I know from earlier leather decades or belonging to those Masters/Mistresses from earlier decades are markedly independent, even maverick -- I'd like to see a return to this idea.

I'm sorry - I only thought I was going to sleep...

I understand the concept, but doesn't that more independent slave concept "fly in the face" of the Master/slave dynamic? I don't have really good R/L experience, but I have never really been comfortable with the Omnipotent Master/powerless slave relationship. IF they are truly two halves to one whole - or symbiotic in nature, it stands to reason (for me at least) that strong PYLs and strong pyls are constantly in search of each other. The strong dominant seeking the strong submissive.

Interesting seminar information might be: What argument might you use to convince the current PYLs that a return to the more independent M/s dynamic is good for the culture?

Esclava