Skinheads held over Obama death plot

[cloudy]

Well, to be fair... to us Northerners, anything south of Ohio is "the South."

I understand, but I'm beyond sick of the classification of southerners as racists. I saw WAY more racism, and much more in-your-face racism, up north than I've EVER seen down here, yet dumbasses still have to perpetuate the stereotype.

I'm willing to bet emap's never even been to the south (because if she had, she'd know better), yet she knows all about us.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I understand, but I'm beyond sick of the classification of southerners as racists. I saw WAY more racism, and much more in-your-face racism, up north than I've EVER seen down here, yet dumbasses still have to perpetuate the stereotype.

I'm willing to bet emap's never even been to the south (because if she had, she'd know better), yet she knows all about us.

Well considering I've actually heard people say, "The south should have succeeded in seceding and we'd all be better off"... and it's, of course, from Northerners... there's certainly no short of idiocy where it snows.

If you want to see real racism? Come to Detroit some time.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I understand, but I'm beyond sick of the classification of southerners as racists. I saw WAY more racism, and much more in-your-face racism, up north than I've EVER seen down here, yet dumbasses still have to perpetuate the stereotype.

I'm willing to bet emap's never even been to the south (because if she had, she'd know better), yet she knows all about us.

I feel the same way about people from the East Coast, which incidentally starts just the other side of Phoenix.

 

[neonlyte]

Obama is an easy target. No one should be surprised if he doesn't serve full term. The USA (and other countries) protect their bus drivers better than they protect their leaders. Here in Portugal, we don't have to protect bus drivers... they drive so badly no one could get off a decent shot

The USA President is required to present himself in public, countless speeches in public arenas. Taking him down is function of time and opportunity. the opportunities are limitless. Would be assassins have to be successful once, the secret service has to be successful all the time.

If the Democrats win both houses and the presidency, expect attempts on Obama with some frequency. Skinheads are the least of your problems, right-wing evangalists are a more potent threat.

 

[cloudy]

Well considering I've actually heard people say, "The south should have succeeded in seceding and we'd all be better off"... and it's, of course, from Northerners... there's certainly no short of idiocy where it snows.

If you want to see real racism? Come to Detroit some time.

I quoted song lyrics as a joke. If you took it seriously, that's your issue, not mine.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I quoted song lyrics as a joke. If you took it seriously, that's your issue, not mine.

No dearest, I didn't.

 

[cloudy]

No dearest, I didn't.

I'm sorry if I was testy, but the first thng people say is, "Racists? They must be from the south."

The hard reality is that there are racists everywhere. And this is as true of other places as it is here, but you never hear anyone jump to the conclusion that if someone is racist that they're from anywhere but the south.

Honestly, I saw more in your face racism in Ontario, Canada than I've seen in over twenty years in Alabama, supposedly one of the most backwards states in the country.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPrettyAss
That's reasonable. Some of his supporters are referring to him as the Messiah.

No, that would still be the opposition.

No, it would be suupporters. Here is the link.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539

 

[epiphany65]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPrettyAss
That's reasonable. Some of his supporters are referring to him as the Messiah.



No, it would be suupporters. Here is the link.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539

I'm not going to get into what I think about Farrakhan, but you need to read the article again. He never referred to Obama as the messiah. This is what he said:

"Brothers and sisters," Farrakhan said, "Barack Obama to me, is a herald of the Messiah. Barack Obama is like the trumpet that alerts you something new, something better is on the way."

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPrettyAss
That's reasonable. Some of his supporters are referring to him as the Messiah.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetsubsarahh
No, that would still be the opposition.

No, it would be supporters. Here is the link.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539

I'm not going to get into what I think about Farrakhan, but you need to read the article again. He never referred to Obama as the messiah. This is what he said:

"Brothers and sisters," Farrakhan said, "Barack Obama to me, is a herald of the Messiah. Barack Obama is like the trumpet that alerts you something new, something better is on the way."

This is also what he said.
"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

 

[voluptuary_manque]

And we pay attention to Farrakhan because he's loud? He speaks for a minority of a minority of a minority. Who cares what he thinks?

 

[epiphany65]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPrettyAss
That's reasonable. Some of his supporters are referring to him as the Messiah.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetsubsarahh
No, that would still be the opposition.

No, it would be supporters. Here is the link.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539



This is also what he said.
"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

(emphasis mine)

Returning to the theme that Obama is a mystical figure, Farrakhan said, he "is not the Messiah for sure, but anytime he gives you a sign of uniting races, ethnic groups, ideologies, religions and makes people feel a sense of oneness, that's not necessarily Satan's work, that is, I believe, the work of God."

 

[epiphany65]

And we pay attention to Farrakhan because he's loud? He speaks for a minority of a minority of a minority. Who cares what he thinks?

Although it's a few, I think it's still important to be aware of those like him who spread hatred and do what we can to counter-act them. Unfortunately not all ignore him. Some believe his venom, sadly.

 

[cloudy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPrettyAss
That's reasonable. Some of his supporters are referring to him as the Messiah.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetsubsarahh
No, that would still be the opposition.

No, it would be supporters. Here is the link.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539



This is also what he said.
"You are the instruments that God is going to use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn't care anything about. That's a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking."

How typical.

Gotta follow that party line, don't you? Instead of telling anyone what your candidate will do (because you can't), you try to dig up any little speck of dirt you can imagine on the opposition.

As I said, typical, and fucking pathetic.

 

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[3113]

No, it would be suupporters. Here is the link.

I'm mystified. Why do you have a problem with a few supporters of any kind (good or bad) thinking a candidate is heaven sent? Do you know how many fundies thought Bush was heaven sent? How many now think Palin and McCain are heaven sent? If we're going to condemn a candidate for crazy supporters thinking they're heaven sent--including leaders of churches saying so in churches--then all of them should be condemned and rejected.

I don't worry about supporters of any stripe thinking a candidate is heaven sent. I only worry if the candidate himself thinks he's heaven sent. Example:

Shaath described his first meeting, in company with Palestinian Prime Minister Abu Mazen, in June 2003 [with President Bush]. He said that President Bush said to all of them: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me: 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did.

"And then God would tell me: 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq.'

"And I did.

"And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me: 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.'

"And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

And here we have another:

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Now. Tell me why I should worry about anyone calling Obama a "sign from God" and doing God's will rather than someone who actually believes and says that they're doing God's will and/or know his plans?

And just for good measure, here's footage allegedly from Palin's church.

 

[xssve]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPrettyAss
That's reasonable. Some of his supporters are referring to him as the Messiah.



No, it would be suupporters. Here is the link.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539

Farrakhan is a Muslim, messiah has a meaning for Muslims completely different for the Christian messiah as redeemer, it's more like a messenger.

Obama is a Christian and is unlikely to take such talk seriously, nor do I think the Muslim world at large pays much attention to Farrakhan - it's rhetoric dear, much like spinning the current president, a drunken, coke snorting, Ivy league frat boy as a sober, thoughtful man of deep religious conviction.

 

[emap]

Fail at reading much cloudy? I said skinheads in the south, not southerners, skinheads in the south, how exactly was that an attack on all southerners?

Want an attack on a southerner? OK I can do that, you have the comprehension value of a 3 year old, the mentality of a 5 year old and the brain matter of spore mold. There's your attack on southerners.

 

[cloudy]

Fail at reading much cloudy? I said skinheads in the south, not southerners, skinheads in the south, how exactly was that an attack on all southerners?

Want an attack on a southerner? OK I can do that, you have the comprehension value of a 3 year old, the mentality of a 5 year old and the brain matter of spore mold. There's your attack on southerners.

oh, ouch.

Let me channel my eight-year-old son for a sec, it's about your speed. Ah, here we go: you stupid booger-eater.

 

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[epiphany65]

Farrakhan is a Muslim, messiah has a meaning for Muslims completely different for the Christian messiah as redeemer, it's more like a messenger.

Obama is a Christian and is unlikely to take such talk seriously, nor do I think the Muslim world at large pays much attention to Farrakhan - it's rhetoric dear, much like spinning the current president, a drunken, coke snorting, Ivy league frat boy as a sober, thoughtful man of deep religious conviction.

Farrakhan heads The Nation of Islam, but this group are considered heretics by mainstream Muslims. They believe that the Messiah was Master W. Fard Muhammad. It is he whom Farrakhan is referring to.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPrettyAss
Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPrettyAss
That's reasonable. Some of his supporters are referring to him as the Messiah.

No, it would be suupporters. Here is the link.

Farrakhan is a Muslim, messiah has a meaning for Muslims completely different for the Christian messiah as redeemer, it's more like a messenger.

Obama is a Christian and is unlikely to take such talk seriously, nor do I think the Muslim world at large pays much attention to Farrakhan - it's rhetoric dear, much like spinning the current president, a drunken, coke snorting, Ivy league frat boy as a sober, thoughtful man of deep religious conviction.

Okay, I'm just saying that some of Obama's supporters, those who follow Farakkhan's racist ranting, refer to him as the messiah or a messiah. To different religions this may mean different things, but it always means a highly exalted personage.

Whatever he thinks of Farakkhan, I doubt that Obama is going to reject his support or whatever money the Nation of Islam donates to him. The NOI is something of a fringe group and some Muslims don't even recognize them as co-religionists.

 

[sr71plt]

Okay, I'm just saying that some of Obama's supporters, those who follow Farakkhan's racist ranting, refer to him as the messiah or a messiah. To different religions this may mean different things, but it always means a highly exalted personage.

You were challenged on this and didn't respond. A candidate doesn't pick his/her supporters. So this is a "so what" as it applies to Obama, isn't it? (Oh, and, name two such "supporters," please.)

Whatever he thinks of Farakkhan, I doubt that Obama is going to reject his support or whatever money the Nation of Islam donates to him. The NOI is something of a fringe group and some Muslims don't even recognize them as co-religionists.

Your "doubts" are pretty much just innuendo until that bridge is crossed, aren't they? So, I'll say Obama would send the money back when he knew where it came from. And that would make us even in knowing anything, wouldn't it?

And speaking of "even," McCain has not only accepted support from Pat Robertson, but he went to Tidewater Virginia to solicit that support. I'd say a Pat Robertson balances a Farakkhan any day of the week.

 

[Weird Harold]

I'd say a Pat Robertson balances a Farakkhan any day of the week.

I'd say you're being far to generous to Farakahn. Robertson has easily ten times the followers that Farahkahn does and far more that simply don't completely disagree with his fundamentalist views.

That doesn't seem like even close to "balance" to me.

 

[sr71plt]

I'd say you're being far to generous to Farakahn. Robertson has easily ten times the followers that Farahkahn does and far more that simply don't completely disagree with his fundamentalist views.

That doesn't seem like even close to "balance" to me.

Granted. OK, I'll amend that to: "I'd say a Pat Robertson vastly overbalances a Farakkhan any day of the week."