Size Matters

[liqueur]

These results are pretty surprising..

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/s...2/16/dimensions-average-sex-toy/#.XFRQfqRMHYV

I also found this handy penis size chart. Once again the results surprised me.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/penis-size-preference-cha_n_107433

Thank you, Scareltt for posting these.

To my mind, the Discover Magazine page is not relevant to the discussion, since it's not talking the average of sex toys chosen by women, when no man's influence or feelings were influencing that choice, but rather about the average sizes of sex toys in existence— the availability of which is of course determined by the industry (which industry is no doubt dominated by men).

The Huff Post page, on the other hand, is interesting indeed. It surveys women's preferences, not for toys but for real live penises. It ultimately leads to this chart, which shows that the ideal penis is 7¼ to 8¼" in length, and 2" in diameter.

Aside: I'm sorry, but this current fad of measuring penis circumference instead of diameter is both silly and deceptive—rather like the one that almost caught hold 8 or 10 years back of measuring penis length in centimeters rather than inches (that is, here in the last civilized nation on earth to refuse the metric system). So: 2" in diameter, not 6¼" around.​

Unfortunately, the second chart, which was supposed to reveal the average ranges of men's actual penis size, is apparent no longer available. The two charts side by side would have been a telling revelation indeed.

Seems to me, both from what I've seen on this thread and from this chart, that the jury's in, guys. Like it or not, bigger cocks do matter. Rumors to the contrary are perpetrated by men, or by women trying to make average men feel better.

 

[glBock]

thank you for YOUR "scientific" contribution as well, Liqueur

Now what are we left with? Lots of figures and facts, from various publications on the one hand, and a subjective statement from Scarlett on the other hand, which says most of the time when she makes love to herself she prefers not even using dildos. She bought the Womanizer, the "Cadillac" of female toys.

Only once in a while, when she seeks penetration, she goes for what her husband offers her, size-wise.

To me the overall conclusion of all this sounds obvious: women who like and depend on penetration to get off on, indeed prefer bigger sizes, whether in penis form or as dildos. But those who have discovered their clit already – not only men intent on fucking them – and who depend on their clit giving them the pleasures they seek and need, relegate big cocks or large dildos to a lower priority. Compared to a toy optimized for clit stimulation.

 

[liqueur]

To me the overall conclusion of all this sounds obvious: women who like and depend on penetration to get off on, indeed prefer bigger sizes, whether in penis form or as dildos. But those who have discovered their clit already . . .

Seems to me the conclusion is even simpler and more obvious: Men should stop trying to decide what women like, and just be quiet and listen

 

[LincolnDuncan]

These results are pretty surprising..

RESULTS:
Popular sex toy distributers offer a variety of product sizes. The length of many vibrators and dildos was sized between 4 and 6 in, and circumference was between 4 and 5 in. However, some companies featured products of a considerably larger size than others.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/s...2/16/dimensions-average-sex-toy/#.XFRPfKRMHYU

Now that’s just one site.. I also measured my current favorite. I don’t use a dildo often. I’m in love with the Palm Power, and my Womanizer.

My current favorite dildo is 9”x 5” round. So larger than average..I don’t know if being with an above average man for 18 years had anything to do with my preference. Or having two children has anything to do with it.

So that’s one site.. let’s take a look at another. I mean it’s Seriously Science. That’s sounds so official!! Once again the average seem smaller than I would think.


http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/s...2/16/dimensions-average-sex-toy/#.XFRQfqRMHYV

I also found this handy penis size chart. Once again the results surprised me.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/penis-size-preference-cha_n_107433

Well that’s what the internet has to offer.

My thoughts are: the best size dildo is the one like the most..

Very cool. Thanks for doing all that research.

 

[sterculius]

The Huff Post page is interesting indeed. It surveys women's preferences, not for toys but for real live penises. It ultimately leads to this chart, which shows that the ideal penis is 7¼ to 8¼" in length, and 2" in diameter.
Seems to me, both from what I've seen on this thread and from this chart, that the jury's in, guys. Like it or not, bigger cocks do matter. Rumors to the contrary are perpetrated by men, or by women trying to make average men feel better.

Being the unfortunate owner of an inadequate, thin penis that maxes out at 3 inches, FULLY ERECT, there's nothing to be done to make me feel good about my size. I can only try to compensate by mastering my oral technique. I'm proud of my ability to please both men and women using my mouth and throat but I can personally attest to the superior appeal and ability to satisfy of a substantially sized cock

 

[glBock]

Seems to me the conclusion is even simpler and more obvious: Men should stop trying to decide what women like, and just be quiet and listen

I could not have said it better mself, Liqueur!

 

[glBock]

Being the unfortunate owner of an inadequate, thin penis that maxes out at 3 inches, FULLY ERECT, there's nothing to be done to make me feel good about my size. I can only try to compensate by mastering my oral technique. I'm proud of my ability to please both men and women using my mouth and throat but I can personally attest to the superior appeal and ability to satisfy of a substantially sized cock

I bet there IS something you could do, sterculius, but you may not be ready for it: you could emigrate to the land where oral sex was invented. My own private sense is, they invented it for a reason.

Just take the trouble sometimes, to watch French porn and American porn, and to comapre the two very different kinds. American porn, and thus American standards of what "good" sex must entail, often seems to me like driving a screw into a wododen log with a hammer. It does work, eventually, but not the way it should work, for People with a sense of aestetics.

 

[SlutAddicted]

Now what are we left with? Lots of figures and facts, from various publications on the one hand, and a subjective statement from Scarlett on the other hand, which says most of the time when she makes love to herself she prefers not even using dildos. She bought the Womanizer, the "Cadillac" of female toys.

Only once in a while, when she seeks penetration, she goes for what her husband offers her, size-wise.

To me the overall conclusion of all this sounds obvious: women who like and depend on penetration to get off on, indeed prefer bigger sizes, whether in penis form or as dildos. But those who have discovered their clit already – not only men intent on fucking them – and who depend on their clit giving them the pleasures they seek and need, relegate big cocks or large dildos to a lower priority. Compared to a toy optimized for clit stimulation.

It makes sense to me that female sexual pleasure isn’t an either/or thing. Most of the reading and exploration that I have done suggests that our understanding of the female orgasm is still evolving. We know about clitoral stimulation and there is the famed (and sometimes elusive) g-spot. But there is a whole set of wonderful lady parts and each woman is unique.

Personally, I have yet to meet any woman who hasn’t “discovered” her clit. Yet many enjoy the sensation of penetration as well. No matter how much men try to reframe the discussion or espouse the merits of oral we won’t change the fact that some women like a big dick. And there is no right or wrong about it. There is no binary option that they can’t enjoy oral and clit stimulation as well as big dick penetration.

 

[BongoGal]

When I buy penetrative toys, I have always made it a point to get ones smaller than a typical real cock. Why? Well, I can easily be pleased by them even though big ones can be more intensely pleasurable. More importantly, though, is my idea that I want whatever real cock I find inside me to be more filling than my sex toys. I don't want to risk having a moment during sex when I think, "This is good, but he isn't as big as the dildo I used yesterday."

 

[vibes]

When I buy penetrative toys, I have always made it a point to get ones smaller than a typical real cock. Why? Well, I can easily be pleased by them even though big ones can be more intensely pleasurable. More importantly, though, is my idea that I want whatever real cock I find inside me to be more filling than my sex toys. I don't want to risk having a moment during sex when I think, "This is good, but he isn't as big as the dildo I used yesterday."

Sounds wise and well thought

 

[yes_miss]

^that's incredibly clever, never thought of that!

For me, I'm happy with any good hard dick that LASTS more than anything. More than 6" and things can start to hurt. For anal however, essentially the bigger (or thicker) the better. I remember refusing to let one guy near me unless he put it behind me. He was so pleased lol.

 

[glBock]

It makes sense to me that female sexual pleasure isn’t an either/or thing. Most of the reading and exploration that I have done suggests that our understanding of the female orgasm is still evolving. We know about clitoral stimulation and there is the famed (and sometimes elusive) g-spot. But there is a whole set of wonderful lady parts and each woman is unique.

Personally, I have yet to meet any woman who hasn’t “discovered” her clit. Yet many enjoy the sensation of penetration as well. No matter how much men try to reframe the discussion or espouse the merits of oral we won’t change the fact that some women like a big dick. And there is no right or wrong about it. There is no binary option that they can’t enjoy oral and clit stimulation as well as big dick penetration.

Of course your comment makes sense. And my statement might have been a bit exaggerated; i admit that. I made it mainly because of what I see as too much of an emphasis on penetration. And because of two women I met not so long ago, who much prefer other forms of orgasms.

But most - possibly all - women I met here and dscussed orgasms with, have told me they eventually had "graduated from fucking". And also the comments Scarlett made - not exactly a chaste woman with apparently a lot of experience with many men - make me believe that fucking only is vastly overrated.

Look at another piece of evidence: how much are women willing to pay for what kinds of toys, NOT which kind is most popular: the two I view as "Cadillacs", Womanizer and Lelo, cost a pretty penny, and dildos, regardless of their size, are pretty cheap.

Shouldn't we be able to learn something from that?

Now having said that, I just realized the Hitachi Wand with an accessory for stimulating the inner clitoris of a woman, is not cheap either. Time to ponder that one, perhaps.

BTW, I find the conecpt of an "inner clitoris" much more plausible than what that fellow Graefenberg invented, centuries ago. But my experience is: in most women, the contributions coming from inner and outer clits favot the outer one by far.

But I grant you: there are exceptions.

 

[BongoGal]

BTW, I find the conecpt of an "inner clitoris" much more plausible than what that fellow Graefenberg invented, centuries ago.

What are you talking about? He didn't invent anything and he didn't live centuries ago.

 

[glBock]

What are you talking about? He didn't invent anything and he didn't live centuries ago.

I usually don't talk with nitpickers nor people unfamilar with irony. But when a woman has such an exotic user name as you, I make an exception. I'll list a summary below of how I understand "pleasant feelings" leading to orgasms come about in most women:

Doctor G. did invent the concept of a G-spot, because there is no such thing. Nowadays (or a decade or two ago) researchers in this field have figured out how Mother Nature has really put women together: with a clitoris on the outside, plainly visible and accessible, from where for most women the majority of all great sensations emmanate during sex. And extending from that a miraculous amount of tissue, which they call a woman's "inner or internal" clit, which surrounds the vagina.

As far as my understandong goes, that inner clit contributes to "good feelings" for few women only. OR -- another explanation -- when the outer clit provides so much sensation as it does for pretty much all the women I had sex with, the contribution of the inner clit makes very little difference.

A big dick can make a difference only for women with "lots of inner clit" contributions to what they feel during sex. And to end another myth for men priding themselves on superior equipment, a Hitachi Wand with an extender for inner clit stimulation, can do the Job far far better. Perhaps you heard the line "a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle".

Now one factor should be added to all this, most likely: What the female brain makes out of the appearance of a big dick. Certainly the visual "appreciation" a woman receives, when she looks at a big dick getting hard for her, is more significant than what only a small dick does for her visually. If you like, compare a big dick to tits like Julia Roberts. IMHO, that may well be the major reason for all the observed hang-ups of many women for big cocks. Come to think of it, Julia Roberts' tits turn ME on less than a Tiny-titted Woman with Long hard nipples.

That is why -- in my mind -- many women need to "graduate from fucking" first, before they appreciate what sterculius and I can do for them. I recall Scarlett mentioning this also: she has known quite a number of men, and as I understood her many with big cocks, but one of her favorites became a guy with a small cock. Because he developed other skills than "fucking her blind"

 

[Smallchange4]

It makes sense to me that female sexual pleasure isn’t an either/or thing. Most of the reading and exploration that I have done suggests that our understanding of the female orgasm is still evolving. We know about clitoral stimulation and there is the famed (and sometimes elusive) g-spot. But there is a whole set of wonderful lady parts and each woman is unique.

Personally, I have yet to meet any woman who hasn’t “discovered” her clit. Yet many enjoy the sensation of penetration as well. No matter how much men try to reframe the discussion or espouse the merits of oral we won’t change the fact that some women like a big dick. And there is no right or wrong about it. There is no binary option that they can’t enjoy oral and clit stimulation as well as big dick penetration.

I have known more than a few women who have a preference for above average size (particularly girth) but it is not generally a relationship killer. ( otherwise I would have never lasted very long with any of them) I also am aware of many women who are aroused just by the look of a larger cock or the fantasy of one if they have never experienced such. Of course this doesn't mean the reality will live up to their fantasy. Having said that I also have known more than a few who have expressed their disappointment when one guy or another has been of smaller stature than they imagined they would be. All things considered I believe having at least average and above endowment is an advantage as long as they possess a decent level of sexual skills in general. Of course a small cocked man (like myself) can do their best to hone their skill level but it still can be a bit of a disadvantage. I know for a fact that some girls didn't see me as a sexual partner because they knew I had a tiny cock. Regardless I have managed to enjoy many relationships.

 

[glBock]

I have known more than a few women who have a preference for above average size (particularly girth) but it is not generally a relationship killer. ( otherwise I would have never lasted very long with any of them) I also am aware of many women who are aroused just by the look of a larger cock or the fantasy of one if they have never experienced such. Of course this doesn't mean the reality will live up to their fantasy. Having said that I also have known more than a few who have expressed their disappointment when one guy or another has been of smaller stature than they imagined they would be. All things considered I believe having at least average and above endowment is an advantage as long as they possess a decent level of sexual skills in general. Of course a small cocked man (like myself) can do their best to hone their skill level but it still can be a bit of a disadvantage. I know for a fact that some girls didn't see me as a sexual partner because they knew I had a tiny cock. Regardless I have managed to enjoy many relationships.

I believe you made some comments worth thinking about, Small Change. "Your Story" made me think of my previous analogy of Julia Roberts and her big tits. They are immediately visible for everybodyto see; no man would NOT want to have sex with her.

The woman with tiny tits and wonderfully sensitive nipples, which harden when I touch them, generates not nearly as much attention as Julia Roberts. Yet I'd turn to my one and only with far more pleasure than Julia Roberts. One reason maybe: I do not need to impress her in the cock-size department.

You and I and many other men have a far mor difficult time attracting women. One reason for it: when it comes time to disrobe, no applause is going to happen for what hangs down between our legs. Or rises up for the woman we are wih.

So we must possess other attributes, which make ourselves attractive. And in my case, I have only two available: my horniness and what my brain is capable of doing.

Before I met my One and Only, I had difficulty running into women attracted to an outsider with strange to "weird" views on sexuality, and ideas of making love like I enjoy it. Some went for me, most did not, and no really deep resonance happend over a longer time span than maybe a month.

But then Lady Luck brought two people together, who resonate on so many levels. One of which: penetration with her is completely optional. We achieve orgasms with each other in many other ways we find more pleasurable.

And I am certain you are finding your resonance as well, with a woman, or women, not hung up on men with big cocks. I congratulate you as much as I am congratulating myself!

 

[policywank]

The merits of a man trying to explain female sexual pleasure to women are non-existent. Studies and stats have no impact on personal preference.....I won’t like something or cease to like because of what a study tells me. And it is certainly no one’s place (much less a man’s place) to deem my preferences more or less developed or evolved.

As it happens I have a wonderful regard for clitoral stimulation but I like it just that much more if coupled with penetration from and ideal sized cock. The two are not mutually exclusive. Nor do they need to be ranked in order of preference for the fact that I enjoy both to be observable and valid.

The debate itself proves that the answer to the question “does size matter” is “yes.” How much, to whom and why are logical follow-up questions? If it mattered not at all the answer would be no, there would be no follow-up questions and I very much doubt that there would be a whole body of research on the topic.

 

[glBock]

The merits of a man trying to explain female sexual pleasure to women are non-existent. Studies and stats have no impact on personal preference.....I won’t like something or cease to like because of what a study tells me. And it is certainly no one’s place (much less a man’s place) to deem my preferences more or less developed or evolved.

As it happens I have a wonderful regard for clitoral stimulation but I like it just that much more if coupled with penetration from and ideal sized cock. The two are not mutually exclusive. Nor do they need to be ranked in order of preference for the fact that I enjoy both to be observable and valid.

The debate itself proves that the answer to the question “does size matter” is “yes.” How much, to whom and why are logical follow-up questions? If it mattered not at all the answer would be no, there would be no follow-up questions and I very much doubt that there would be a whole body of research on the topic.

Policywank, most likely you are 100% on the Money with your statement. I have made several attepmpts here to justify a viewpoint othere than yours, but I concede yours may be better than mine.

I'd find it great, if this debate, or semi-debate could find an end with your statement. And we would all go home and celebrate the differences between each other.
.

 

[Earthly1]

For indulging in "one night stand" sex you need to have an above average sized cock as most women will be expecting that just on a superficial level. If however you form a relationship with a woman who actually likes you, and you're average or below, she will, or rather, should, look past that.

 

[liqueur]

The merits of a man trying to explain female sexual pleasure to women are non-existent.

I think I did say that —

Men should stop trying to decide what women like, and just be quiet and listen

☺

 

[liqueur]

For indulging in "one night stand" sex you need to have an above average sized cock as most women will be expecting that just on a superficial level. If however you form a relationship with a woman who actually likes you, and you're average or below, she will, or rather, should, look past that.

Be quiet and let women say what they want. They don't need you to tell them.

 

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[PWilton]

The merits of a man trying to explain female sexual pleasure to women are non-existent. Studies and stats have no impact on personal preference.....I won’t like something or cease to like because of what a study tells me. And it is certainly no one’s place (much less a man’s place) to deem my preferences more or less developed or evolved.

As it happens I have a wonderful regard for clitoral stimulation but I like it just that much more if coupled with penetration from and ideal sized cock. The two are not mutually exclusive. Nor do they need to be ranked in order of preference for the fact that I enjoy both to be observable and valid.

The debate itself proves that the answer to the question “does size matter” is “yes.” How much, to whom and why are logical follow-up questions? If it mattered not at all the answer would be no, there would be no follow-up questions and I very much doubt that there would be a whole body of research on the topic.

I am enjoying this discourse. I must admit I have only thought of this from the male perspective. In my simpleminded way I thought that if it feels big and looks big, that ought to suffice. The discussion helps me better appreciate things from the ladies point of view.

 

[Scareltt]

Nice...

I am enjoying this discourse. I must admit I have only thought of this from the male perspective. In my simpleminded way I thought that if it feels big and looks big, that ought to suffice. The discussion helps me better appreciate things from the ladies point of view.

The world needs more of this!