Six Nations: "They've started a war!"

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Six Nations: "They've started a war!"
4/21/2006 Indian Country Today

The recent massive early morning police raid on an encampment of Indian protesters at Six Nations Reserve in Canada left little doubt that authorities in that country are ready to play hardball over Indian claims, particularly when people make a stand over long-simmering disputes.

The police action struck with abrupt violence the morning of April 20. Armed and with weapons drawn, hundreds of Ontario Provincial Police invaded the encampment, clashing with activists at approximately 4 a.m.

Arrests took place and at least one clan mother was reported as injured during the assault. The Six Nations quickly regrouped and within hours, hundreds more arrived to reinforce and retake the disputed property. Tires were set ablaze on the main road, Highway 6, which runs through town.

As of the deadline for this edition, it is being reported that as many as 1,000 OPP are suiting up in riot gear for another charge on the compound, while perhaps as many Native protesters have come in to support their compatriots.

Canada, it would appear, has another Indian war in the making.

Reports confirmed that the warriors at the encampment kept their no-weapons stance as police moved in. However, the early morning raid unleashed a massive wave of sympathy for the beleaguered Native occupants, who were quickly reinforced by Six Nations residents, who formed a solid line and ''walked back'' the police from the contested camp area.

The OPP raid was the worst possible move to make at this juncture; it has already produced an intense radicalization at the Six Nations Reserve, and a response is forthcoming from other Haudenosaunee communities.

The ''end-game'' raid attempt on the encampment was predictable after talks between the protesters and Canadian authorities broke down two days earlier. What is less predictable is the reaction by activists and warriors across the Six Nations, where the argumentation against peaceful protest and in favor of physical confrontation will no doubt intensify.

Shame on Canada. Shame on a policy of carrot-and-stick against Natives that promises justice but only delivers the violence of the haughty and mighty.

Canada, like most every country in the Americas, sometimes has to face the reality of its sordid policy of dismantling the rightful land properties of Native peoples. Sometimes brusquely - by war - but in the past century, mostly by stealth and encroachment, First Nations peoples have seen first ''the Crown'' and then Canada pretend to own lands that were clearly Indian property and over which Indian title has not been relinquished.

Like most tribal peoples with small populations surrounded by huge numbers of non-Natives, the often divided governments on the Six Nations Reserve have not always been able to save reservation properties from being annexed by local townships, but in the ever-present tribal memory the lands in question have not been relinquished but have been taken by force or by trickery - an insult of cultural memory and these days a contentious issue as the Indian population grows and new families want to expand their generations within Indian jurisdictions.

At Six Nations of the Grand River within Ontario - the most populous Indian community in Canada - the tenacious reality of tribal memory over land ownership and lingering questions over the theft of Indian lands, first by the British Crown and then the Canadian government, exploded into a physical standoff between some traditional authorities based on the Haudenosaunee Confederacy, backed up by warrior groups from various Indian communities, and the local, provincial and federal police forces.

The standoff at the encampment to stop a housing complex on contested land is going into its second month. While the occupying group had announced a no-guns policy, the potential for further violence is high, as local residents continue to clamor for police action.

The contention over the particular tract of land goes back 165 years. It is one of several under claim by the Six Nations Band Council and forms part of the nearly 95 percent of Six Nations Reserve lands taken with impunity after promised and granted by Canada. The Six Nations Reserve contains 46,500 acres currently, less than 5 percent of the land granted to people of Haudenosaunee nations who had fought as allies to Britain in the Revolutionary War.

The study of land holding by Native and non-Native experts is quite precise, and yet opinions on recovery strategies vary among groups - within and outside the reserve.

In the present case, protest was triggered by the construction of a massive housing subdivision in Caledonia, the Douglas Creek Estates (Henco Industries), of which 10 out of a projected 600 houses have been built. A number of clan mothers and other traditional authorities, based in the confederacy, along with young leaders, sought to challenge a new reality that would seem to finalize a process of encroachment over one of several contested tracts. They called for an encampment on the land, a call accompanied by intense emotion among Indian people of all political persuasions; and many have responded, including warrior groups from reservations across the Northeast.

The encampment, which has fluctuated between several dozen to several hundred people, asserts a position that the land has been effectively ''reclaimed.''

The Canadian government should pay off the developer and all construction should cease. This strict Haudenosaunee position, appreciable for its righteousness, leaves little room for compromise at this time and is seen by some media as recalcitrance on the part of a warriors' movement that has had serious clashes with Canadian law enforcement in the past.

There had also been reasonable concern for the multimillion dollar business investment made by the developer in the case, Henco Industries, who merely intended to operate within a legality guaranteed by the federal government, which has ignored legitimate claims of many Indian bands for decades.

Tellingly, the painstaking research conducted by an office of the band council over the years has uncovered a good case that the disputed land tract - Hamilton/Port Dover Plank Road - was never intended for sale but only for lease by the Six Nations government of the reserve during the 1840s.

Six Nations land issues expert Phil Montour shared this with our network: ''The last correspondence of record with the government of Canada as relates to the Hamilton/Port Dover Plank Road lands was in a Six Nations meeting as held at the Onondaga Council House on October 31, 1844, in which the Chiefs explicitly stated: 'the Plank Road Lots from the River at the Caledonia Bridge to the Walpole Townline, that is lots on the west side of the Road, be kept and that the lands comprising the pieces described be leased and not sold.'''

Hopefully, increased reconciliation of strategic objectives can be forthcoming among the various Indian entities represented in the issue.

An online report by Kahentinetha Horn, an impassioned Mohawk voice from Caughnawaga, detailed the rejection by the confederacy group at the encampment of some interesting points offered by the government: ''Ontario representative, Doug Carr, assistant deputy minister and secretary of aboriginal affairs, told [the encampment leaders and band council representatives] what the Ontario government was prepared to offer which in part was a land swap of 6,500 acres (some land in Cayuga, Burtch and another parcel for the 130 acres at Douglas Creek.'' The government would also see that ''water mains from the house development site be extended into Six Nations as well.''

An impromptu vote by band council members at an earlier meeting with the traditional group saw the majority of the elected council agree to ''let the confederacy council 'take the lead' on the Douglas Creek estates,'' according to Horn. The confederacy group turned down the offer by the government, reiterating their two main demands: Henco should stop building for a 90-day moratorium and the government should indemnify Henco for its loss. As for the land, it is to be considered ''reclaimed'' into Indian jurisdiction.

This hard-line stance by confederacy representatives is not likely to be accepted by the government, which instead has chosen the typical path of unilateral law enforcement generated partly by increasing pressure from local anti-Native groups and from Henco, which is suing the OPP to enforce the eviction of the camp.

When it comes to the Ontario government, however, lessons are not easily learned. One crucial restraint on the government should have been the lingering blotch of scandalous conduct of the OPP at the Ipperwash Camp protest of September 1995, when an unarmed 38-year-old Chippewa man was shot to death by a pumped-up constable. That case of a judicially unjustified killing of an unarmed Native activist remains in the courts and much in the news, and has even hounded Canadian foreign diplomats abroad.

One would have thought no Canadian police force would want responsibility for another Ipperwash, but it seems the historical trend of stealing Indian land and then holding it with force remains very much a part of Canada's dishonorable history.
 
cloudy said:
Not sure there's anything any of us can do to help, especially since it's in Canada. :(
There has to be something... Is there a way to get an address? We could start a letter campaign.

<hijack> Which reminds me, has your brother been getting my letters? </hjack>
 
Cloudy:
One thing I can suggest that may do some good.

The Indians are contesting the ownership of the land. As you have pointed out, that battle has been going on for centuries. DON'T contest the ownership of the land at this point. Prepare [reasonable] bills for the rental of the land. The preparation and furnishing of the rental bills ASSUMES ownership of the land. If there is a question of the ownership, why then the rental money still needs to be paid, but held in trust. Of course month by month rental will be SOMEWHAT more expensive than longer term lease. If the occupier wants to reduce costs, a longer term lease should be allowed. The signing of a lease ADMITS ownership of the land. If the Indians can get enough leases signed, they have a strong legal case for ownership of the land. If the occupiers refuse to sign leases or pay REASONABLE rent, then the question of the legal acquisition of the land goes before a court of law. At least a court has to review the matter as a normal business dispute.
 
R. Richard said:
Cloudy:
One thing I can suggest that may do some good.

The Indians are contesting the ownership of the land. As you have pointed out, that battle has been going on for centuries. DON'T contest the ownership of the land at this point. Prepare [reasonable] bills for the rental of the land. The preparation and furnishing of the rental bills ASSUMES ownership of the land. If there is a question of the ownership, why then the rental money still needs to be paid, but held in trust. Of course month by month rental will be SOMEWHAT more expensive than longer term lease. If the occupier wants to reduce costs, a longer term lease should be allowed. The signing of a lease ADMITS ownership of the land. If the Indians can get enough leases signed, they have a strong legal case for ownership of the land. If the occupiers refuse to sign leases or pay REASONABLE rent, then the question of the legal acquisition of the land goes before a court of law. At least a court has to review the matter as a normal business dispute.

Unfortunately, that wouldn't work in this case.

The developer is selling the land with the houses. Not their fault, but that of the government. You can't sell land you don't own, and clearly, the government doesn't own the land, just tried to sell something it has no title to.

Just one more hat trick in the repetoire of government.
 
another article:

Six Nations Reserve repels Ontario police
Indian Country Today

OHSWEKEN, Ontario - More than 1,000 residents of Canada's Six Nations Reserve rushed to the site of a standoff between Native protesters and the Ontario Provincial Police during the early hours of April 20 after an armed police raid resulted in 10 arrests and several hospitalizations.

According to one report, two of the hospitalized were non-Native supporters of the protest. About 15 protesters were sleeping at the ''reclamation site'' when a caravan of at least eight police vehicles raided and made arrests.

According to the TV report, police were armed with drawn guns, Taser devices and tear gas, although the weapons were not used.

Protesters at the contested construction site regrouped and pushed police back to the nearby road as the call went out for support from the largely Iroquois community, Amos Key, director of the community radio station CKRZ-FM, said. The Native-run station is broadcasting a live feed from the standoff on its Internet site, www.ckrz.com.

Key said that urgent talks were now under way between the Confederation chiefs and officials of the provincial and federal governments.

Lisa Johnson, of the Bear's Inn in Ohsweken, was following live television coverage of the events all morning and said that residents of the reserve poured into the site as news of the early morning raid spread through the community of 22,000 and by 7:50 a.m. had gathered in sufficient numbers to force the police to leave. As of noon, no police were on the site, although talk spread throughout the community that they were regrouping in riot gear with about 1,000 reinforcements.

The arrests could total up to 15, but protesters who had been arrested were released after being fingerprinted and photographed, although they were warned that they faced jail time if they returned to the site. Several had reportedly rejoined the protesters.

The television coverage resulted by accident. An employee of Hamilton CHTV, noticed the police activity as he drove to work and notified a camera crew, which broadcast from the site all morning. All other reporters were barred from the site by provincial police.

After the OPP withdrew, protesters blocked Highway 6, also known as Plank Road, which runs by the construction site called the Douglas Creek subdivision, and a secondary road. They set a pile of tires on fire and pulled a large dump truck across the road. A large pile of tires and planks were assembled at another crossing, but at last report it had not been set ablaze.

After the roads were blocked, residents continued to reach the site by walking to the surrounding forest.

On the other hand, police closed streets entering the nearby town of Caledonia, although schoolchildren were bused to school early in the morning. Both schools were closed later in the day and parents on the reserve were still uncertain how their children would be returned home.

Haudenosaunee Confederacy chiefs had met all night before the raid. They reportedly told provincial officials that they did not control the protesters, but they were attempting to negotiate on their behalf.

The timing of the raid was still unexplained, but the developers of the subdivision had reportedly threatened to start a civil action against the OPP to pressure it to remove the protesters.

The crisis brought a rare spirit of unity to the reserve, healing a decades-long split between the elected band council and the traditional confederacy chiefs.

The elected council was imposed on the reserve in 1924 by the federal Canadian government to replace the traditional leadership, but the confederacy persisted as an institution often at odds with the elected governments on both sides of the border.

The band council had expressed doubts about the occupation of the Douglas Creek site, which was supported by the confederacy chiefs.

In the aftermath of the raid, however, the council delegated negotiating authority to the chiefs.

The crisis apparently has also hardened the outlook among the traditional chiefs.

According to Key, the chiefs originally instructed the warrior groups in the protest to leave the site if ordered to by the OPP.

Said Key: ''It's escalated and escalated. We're all frustrated. Our goal is to get to the quality of life second to none that Canada espouses to the world, but we are 30 years behind.''
 
and one more:

A background of the Six Nations protest
Indian Country Today

CALEDONIA, Ontario - On Feb. 28, residents of the Six Nations Reserve set up camp at the Douglas Creek subdivision and since then have been joined by Natives from across Canada, growing into a crowd of more than 400 at times, before the raid, and now numbering a thousand or more people. The issue, however, goes much deeper than a single parcel of land but dives deep into the issue of Native rights, land claims, jurisdiction and governance.

The subdivision rests on a portion of land known by Six Nations members as the Haldimand tract, nearly 988,000 acres (400,000 hectares) given to the Natives by the British Crown for their loyalty during the American Revolution.

Recently published reports indicate that portions of the tract were sold to non-Natives during the 1800s, however painstaking research by the Six Nations reveals that the traditional councils never intended to sell, but only to lease the land. Whether the land was bought and sold legally is the question, which the Canadian government has not addressed.

In 1999, Six Nations filed claim to the lands on both sides of the Grand River, but private landowners who bought the pieces in recent history have continued to live on and develop the land.

Fifteen years ago two brothers, Don and John Henning, owners of Henco Industries, purchased the land where they have been developing the subdivision. Roughly 10 homes are being constructed, with plans for 600 eventually. No construction has taken place since the protest began on Feb. 28 and no immediate solution has been found.

''We're dealing with a very concerning and volatile situation so we need to be flexible in how we solve this situation,'' said Indian Affairs representative Bob Howsam.

An Ontario court ordered the protesters to abandon the site, but instead, on March 2, the day the injunction went into effect, dozens of women at the site linked arms in preparation for a police invasion. The police did not come that day and the land reclamation, as the protesters call it, continued.

''We plan to maintain the site until we get what we want,'' said Jeff Hawk, a protester, days before the raid on April 20. ''First and foremost, we want the title. Nobody else is going to develop here.''

Aside from angry passing of words, the demonstrators had remained calm. The strategic decision by the protesters to allow no weapons in the camp site has been noted by many who otherwise would question the occupation.

''We are there peacefully,'' Dawn Smith, a leader of the Six Nations Land Claims Awareness Group, had said. ''We are there unarmed and it will remain that way. We will not break the order of peace. It will not be us to bring in arms. That will be the [Ontario Provincial Police] or [Royal Canadian Mounted Police] who come in with their mandated weapons that they carry. We will have no weapons.''

Caledonia residents, who have been affected in many ways by the protest, from lost trade work to traffic delays, held a protest in early April. Approximately 500 gathered in the town to discuss events and what could be done to end the protest.

However, the issue is complex.

While Henco Industries bought its land in what appeared to be a fair deal, the Six Nations demonstrators claim that the land was never for sale and should be returned to its rightful owners - the Six Nations territory.

Further complicating the situation is the uncertainty of jurisdiction. Six Nations is often divided by an elected council and a traditional one. The two parties have had conflicting accounts of the history of their land and Dave General, the band council chief, was threatened with impeachment after he failed to support the reclamation. People at Six Nations expressed a variety of opinion on whether the land was rightfully given back to non-Natives when a highway was to be built through the tract. The land issue has given way to the issue of the police attack upon the encampment, which has largely angered community residents.

While some would say that most Indians agree on the history of land-grabs and that the divisions are not as deep as they seem, others point out that the issue is not just about a questionable parcel of land.

''It's not all that simple,'' said Aboriginal Affairs Minister David Ramsay. ''We're talking about a multitude of parties here. There are not just two sides to this. That's why this is so complex.''

Jurisdictional issues also arise in deciding who should speak on behalf of the owners of the land. Many believe that the Canadian government cannot be held accountable for actions of the British Crown.

While meetings had been taking place between various leaders and officials, provincial leaders argued that an end to the protest was not in sight as the OPP executed its raid. However, the ill-conceived and fruitless attack appears to have energized the Native community and its activists on the emotional issue of land rights.

''The people are committed to wanting the land back and are willing to stay as long as they have to,'' said Janie Jamieson, a spokesman at the site.
 
update:

Cops hold back mob, natives
Angry residents confront Six Nations protesters
Toronto Sun - Tuesday, April 25, 2006

CALEDONIA -- An angry mob infuriated by a native protest at their doorstep rushed a police line surrounding the standoff last night, screaming insults and demanding the protesters leave.

A line of about 100 police officers separated a crowd of about 500 non-natives and about 500 natives. A police barrier kept the two sides about 200 metres apart.

Furious residents waved Canadian flags as they chanted "Let us through!" and urged police to "Open the road" leading to a disputed land south of Hamilton.

"Get the outlaws out of there!" a man shouted at police. "Enforce the law," another yelled.

A crowd swarmed a police cruiser when one non-native man was arrested.

The crowd dispersed by midnight.

At an earlier evening rally, residents demanded an immediate end to the standoff.

The mayor said non-native residents are "frustrated" that their rights as landowners are taking a back seat to native rights.

"They are kind of being held ransom for all of Canada," said Haldimand County Mayor Marie Trainer.

At Queen's Park, Conservative Leader John Tory is pressing the government to explain why it didn't begin negotiations with the natives until just before last week's confrontation with the OPP.

"I think they waited far too long to begin direct negotiations," Tory said yesterday.

He said a senior civil servant told him that negotiations with the protesters did not begin until 46 days into the standoff.
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and, even more telling:

Mayor's comments anger aboriginal protesters in Caledonia standoff

Two aboriginal protesters angrily confronted Haldimand County Mayor Marie Trainer at a blockade in Caledonia, Ont., Tuesday after she made comments that they interpreted as labelling them as welfare recipients.

In an appearance on CBC Newsworld earlier in the day, the mayor said residents of the town were being hurt economically by the protest and don't have money coming in automatically every month.

When she arrived at the blockade, an unidentified woman took her to task.

"I don't know where you get off. Your redneck attitude is what's causing this whole thing," the woman said.

"There's no way you're going to make us come off as welfare recipients. You put it right on the air and I just seen it. You had no damn business saying it."

Native spokesman Clyde Powless, who had warmly greeted Trainer minutes earlier, then joined the fray.

"I'm deeply saddened by comments I've heard you made about my people waiting for a monthly cheque," Powless said. "I'm shocked at you and I will never want to address you again."

Following the confrontation, Trainer defended her remarks to journalists.

"They needed to know what the Caledonia people thought," Trainer said. "I have to stick up for my people, just like they're sticking up for themselves."

The incident marked a further deterioration in relations between the protesters and town residents following a noisy confrontation at the barricades Monday night that led to the arrest of one person.
 
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Court to look at Caledonia injunction
Last Updated: Monday, July 24, 2006 | 10:17 AM ET

An Ontario judge could decide Monday whether an injunction ordering native protesters off disputed land in Caledonia will be lifted.

Monday's session in a Cayuga, Ont., court will mark the fourth time Justice David Marshall has brought together all sides affected in the dispute over the occupation of the Douglas Creek Estates housing development.

In the last court session on July 5, Marshall called the failure to obey his injunction "outrageous," and stated he intends to enforce a penalty for contempt of court.

The injunction was issued Mar. 22 at the request of the then-owner of the land, Henco Industries.

Since the land in question was recently sold to the province for more than $12.3 million, the injunction could be nullified on that basis alone.

Ontario Minister of Aboriginal Affairs David Ramsay said that the province is not seeking the removal of the protestors, who have remained on the land despite Marshall's order to leave.

"The original injunction was sought by the past owner of the property. The government is now the owner and we're not seeking an injunction," said Ramsay.

But even if the injunction dies, Six Nations community spokeswoman Janie Jamieson said Monday's court hearing could spark renewed tensions because a number of native protesters have been cited for contempt of court for not obeying the judge's orders.

"Those injunctions belong with [Henco Industries], but that contempt order is [Marshall's] and he plans on enforcing it," said Jamieson.

This court session is the first of two hearings the judge has scheduled to examine why his orders to remove protesters weren't obeyed. Police, government officials and aboriginal protesters are expected to appear in court for it.

Protesters have occupied the subdivision since Feb. 28. The Six Nations community claims the land was illegally taken from them 200 years ago.
 
Isn't a title search required before anybody can sell land? Such a search would lead back to the lease or rental of the land by the Native American owners, which would kill the sale.
 
SweetPrettyAss said:
Isn't a title search required before anybody can sell land? Such a search would lead back to the lease or rental of the land by the Native American owners, which would kill the sale.

Nope, doesn't work that way when it's Indians, unfortunately. They can just take whatever they want.
 
Dranoel said:
So let me get this straight, the Canadian Gov't sold land they didn't own to Henco Industries. Then buys the land back?

Now they can show legal title to the land and Six Nations is screwed. Typical sneaky, underhanded government way of getting what doesn't belong to them.

that's it, pretty much, yeah.
 
I wish I could say this is unbelievable,but unfortunately it's not. This could end up like Pine Ridge in the 70's. Sad. Very sad.
 
wazhazhe said:
I wish I could say this is unbelievable,but unfortunately it's not. This could end up like Pine Ridge in the 70's. Sad. Very sad.

I said the exact same thing to someone this morning.

People don't realize how high tensions are, not just in Caledonia, but all over the province. We've all been wearing unity bracelets, and most reserves there, even those that are not Six Nations, are on standby in case they're needed.

Ipperwash and Oka are still very fresh in people's minds.
 
I appreciate it, thanks.

But....I've come to the conclusion that nobody cares until somebody gets killed, and even then, if it doesn't affect them or someone in their circle, it's easier to ignore than it is to speak up.
 
Letter to the BBC

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to you to draw your attention to a significant piece of news, which I do not believe is being given the correct amount of publicity.

Fifteen years ago, the Canadian government sold a piece of land near Caledonia, Ontario to a properties developer called Henco Industries, which has turned the land into a sub-division.

However, the Canadian government didn't own the land in question. It had been leased from the Six Nations Reservation (a grouping of Native Americans), but the land ownership had never changed hands.

The Native American tribes on the Six Nations Reservation began a protest but they were ignored. On Febuary 28th they began actively occupying the land itself. The Ontario Provincial Police raided their encampment with weapons drawn at 4:00AM on April 20th, 06.

Protestors at the site then set up road blocks to block the highway leading to that land and are still defending it today. It is known in Canada as the 'Caledonian Blockade.'

The Local Government filed injunctions for Henco Industries ordering the roadblocks removed. The Native Americans have stood their ground and are doing so to this day with help from tribes all over North America.

Henco Industries has since sold the land back to the Canadian government, which brings an interesting problem. The Canadian government now technically has legal title over the land, by dint of buying the legal title from Henco. They have sold and then rebought land which they did not own, effectively completing a money laundering scheme worth $12.3 million.

The incident is not being given sufficient press in world and local news, despite it being a clear case of theft on the part of the Canadian government. I am appealing for the BBC to take the moral lead in paying attention to this scandal and turning a spotlight on the shameful treatment of Native Americans in the North American continent.

If possible, I would appreciate a response to this e-mail, hopefully containing a commitment to rectify the lack of coverage of this crisis.

Yours faithfully,

Is this alright Cloudy?

Slight difference in the tone of Dran's letter and mine. In England, honey catches more journalistic flies than vinegar, and you'd be amazed how far the correct letter writing technique will go. <laughs> Kinda silly, but useful if you know how to write.

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
Is this alright Cloudy?

Slight difference in the tone of Dran's letter and mine. In England, honey catches more journalistic flies than vinegar, and you'd be amazed how far the correct letter writing technique will go. <laughs> Kinda silly, but useful if you know how to write.

The Earl
In my opinion, a non-confontational approach would net better results.
 
o.0

Funny how I come on here and get news about my own town I didn't know yet! LOL.

I kid, I knew all this. Afterall... I drove by the continuing protest only last week. There are still quite a few people camped on the actual land in question. The whole thing has created so many tensions.
 
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"Protesters have occupied the subdivision since Feb. 28. The Six Nations community claims the land was illegally taken from them 200 years ago."


Just a couple statements, questions or just comments.

Why did the Six Nations wait 200 years to do something about this?
Why do the Six Nations seem to have their own set of rules, even though they live in Ontario, which is in Canada?
Many Native Canadians are Lawyers and political leaders, where are they in all this mess?

I am not pointing fingers just asking questions. I don't know enough about any of the situations to voice an opinion, thats why Im asking questions, to understand the situation more clearly.

BTW Cloudy, I was up in your neck of the woods last week. I was hoping to find the Museum we spoke of before on the way down the HWY but didnt know the exact name. We must get together for a tea, coffee, something stronger? lol

Thinking of you!
C
 
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