Silence Conservatards FOREVER about automation by reminding them of this

[LJ_Reloaded]

Automation doesn't happen because wages go up.

Historically speaking:

Automation occurred during slavery, when people were forced to work for free. Case in point: the cotton gin.

Automation exploded during the Gilded Age, when wages were unsustainably low and the concept of workers' rights was not even a thing. Case in point: the origin of the word 'sabotage' - workers feared the ongoing problem of automation and threw their shoes into machines to damage them, in order to save their jobs. This arguably started happening in the 1810's, when ultra low-paid textile workers were attacking machines.

The fact that automation was progressing rapidly even in an era of deadly worker exploitation and wages far below what they are now (even counting inflation) destroys the narrative that higher wages causes automation.

Also automation is taking over China, the cheap labor capital of the world:

http://www.wbur.org/bostonomix/2017/11/20/china-automation

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ot-revolution-may-weigh-on-global-rebalancing

https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/robots-china-breaks-historic-records-in-automation

Automation is even happening in Africa, where workers wages are the lowest in the world (even lower than China's):
https://qz.com/1037225/robots-are-set-to-take-africas-manufacturing-jobs-even-before-it-has-enough/

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LOL even AJ is too scared to argue this one.

 

[Antryg_Windrose]

Automation. The pipe organ threw scads of wind and string players out of work; it was the synthesizer of its day. Musicians' unions hate synths. The cotton gin boosted plantation demand for expendable slaves. Ford's assembly lines threw into redundancy those building horse, steam, and electric vehicles, and boosted demand for expendable wage slaves. Computerized office automation killed-off middle managers.

Current automation and AI are replacing information processing humans including medical specialists, financial analysts, and lawyers, as well as male dominated shit work in transportation and construction. When electro-slaves replace the bio-slaves, what happens to the biological units?

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

You write click bait titles for a living don't ya?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Automation. The pipe organ threw scads of wind and string players out of work; it was the synthesizer of its day. Musicians' unions hate synths. The cotton gin boosted plantation demand for expendable slaves. Ford's assembly lines threw into redundancy those building horse, steam, and electric vehicles, and boosted demand for expendable wage slaves. Computerized office automation killed-off middle managers.

Current automation and AI are replacing information processing humans including medical specialists, financial analysts, and lawyers, as well as male dominated shit work in transportation and construction. When electro-slaves replace the bio-slaves, what happens to the biological units?

More questions the right wingers can't answer.

 

[Adder4321]

People use automation because it's more reliable than humans. Even if it's more expensive, it's also tougher, it doesn't get sick, it doesn't need to sleep and if properly maintained it can run for a very long time.

Let's say that a factory has two options. First, they hire 40 people to work with some basic tools, paying them very low wages and producing a certain number of goods. Second, they buy a machine run production line that costs a lot, but produces just as many, if not more that the 40 works. On top of that, it runs almost 24/7, only shutting down for maintenance maybe once a week. The only costs with this option are a mechanic, spare parts and maybe one or two people to keep an eye on the machine to make sure that it doesn't break down.

Even paying the workers smaller wages, it is still cheaper and more efficient in the long run to use the machine.

 

[RocketLauncher]

People use automation because it's more reliable than humans. Even if it's more expensive, it's also tougher, it doesn't get sick, it doesn't need to sleep and if properly maintained it can run for a very long time.

Let's say that a factory has two options. First, they hire 40 people to work with some basic tools, paying them very low wages and producing a certain number of goods. Second, they buy a machine run production line that costs a lot, but produces just as many, if not more that the 40 works. On top of that, it runs almost 24/7, only shutting down for maintenance maybe once a week. The only costs with this option are a mechanic, spare parts and maybe one or two people to keep an eye on the machine to make sure that it doesn't break down.

Even paying the workers smaller wages, it is still cheaper and more efficient in the long run to use the machine.

True. More robots less Americans is a truly stellar idea.

 

[Antryg_Windrose]

True. More robots less Americans is a truly stellar idea.

The lie: All those displaced ex-workers, with just a bit of training, will find well-paid jobs maintaining, repairing, programming, and otherwise catering to the new technologies, same as buggywhip makers and blacksmiths found mindless jobs on polluted assembly lines before those went robotic.

The reality: Jobs that won't be automated are those that can't be shipped offshore and that 'Americans' will refuse. Farmwork, trashwork, chicken-plucking, whatever dirties their soft hands. We hear of plants closed because ICE deported the workers and 'Americans' don't rush in to replace them. Soon enough, there won't be ANY jobs for them to rush to.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The lie: All those displaced ex-workers, with just a bit of training, will find well-paid jobs maintaining, repairing, programming, and otherwise catering to the new technologies, same as buggywhip makers and blacksmiths found mindless jobs on polluted assembly lines before those went robotic.

The reality: Jobs that won't be automated are those that can't be shipped offshore and that 'Americans' will refuse. Farmwork, trashwork, chicken-plucking, whatever dirties their soft hands. We hear of plants closed because ICE deported the workers and 'Americans' don't rush in to replace them. Soon enough, there won't be ANY jobs for them to rush to.

Silly. Only a hundred thousand people in the entire world will be needed to do "maintaining, repairing, programming, and otherwise catering to the new technologies". The other seven billion will be jobless.

Global unemployment is rising, not falling. Care to show where this is factually wrong?
http://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_541128/lang--en/index.htm

 

[Adder4321]

Silly. Only a hundred thousand people in the entire world will be needed to do "maintaining, repairing, programming, and otherwise catering to the new technologies". The other seven billion will be jobless.

Global unemployment is rising, not falling. Care to show where this is factually wrong?
http://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_541128/lang--en/index.htm

The most obvious solution would be to remove the humans that are no longer needed. I didn't say that it was in any way a good solution, it's just the most obvious one.

 

[OldJourno]

Sex robots and automation as recent thread topics.
Anyone else spotting a trend?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The most obvious solution would be to remove the humans that are no longer needed. I didn't say that it was in any way a good solution, it's just the most obvious one.

If only the Conservatives would realize that 99% of them are just as useless in this scenario as the so-called "shiftless"/"lazy" brown people and Millennials that they demonize so much.

 

[Hypoxia]

Sex robots and automation as recent thread topics.
Anyone else spotting a trend?

Humans will soon be automated out of existence. Our cybernetic masters will be fruitful and multiply, replenishing the earth with their silicon life. Lord {JHWH} will be devoured by borgs. Bye now.

 

[Antryg_Windrose]

Humans will soon be automated out of existence. Our cybernetic masters will be fruitful and multiply, replenishing the earth with their silicon life. Lord {JHWH} will be devoured by borgs. Bye now.

You say that like it's bad.