Sick of Unrealistic Stories!

[GorgeousStud]

I like to read the non consent stories but in almost every story the victim in question starts enjoying the sex. Have you ever seen rape victim that enjoys it? sure this is fantasy but at least make it realistic.

Its the same with Incest 99% people dont want incest or if they do they are not going to do it again and again afterwards, more realisticly they will regret ever doing it.

 

[English Lady]

I think to get a non consent story through here there has to be a point where the"victim" accepts it..i might be wrong but I know someone who's story got sent to the extreme site because the victim stayed a victim throughout.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Literotica's non-consent policy is to only post rape victim fantasy. That means that the victim enjoys it and/or wants it at some point in the story. Literotica does not post rapist fantasy.

So, you'll have to be sick of unrealistic non-consent stories. I really can't find it in me to feel even the least bit sympathetic to someone who wants to get his jollies off on realistic rape or realistic incest. It's revolting to think of people who are sexually stimulated by hurting someone else.

People come here to masturbate to orgasm. There is something incredibly disturbing about the thought of people getting off to the rape or incest reality rather than the happy happy joy joy and so-not-happening fantasies they have here.

You might want to think about what kind of person prefers to read real rape rather than candy-coated fantasy.

If I had my way about it, Lit would do away with the non-consent category altogether. But I don't so, so be it.

 

[SexyChele]

Yup, gotta go with the crowd on this one. If you visit the Extreme section, you might find stories that are a little more "realistic" regarding rape. Also, there are other sites out there that have stories in which rape is classified as "serious" and/or "violent". Personally, I don't get the attraction, but that's me.

I have posted one non-consent story here at Lit, and while the "victim" doesn't necessarily want it, she does experience an orgasm. That's about the closest you can come to being "realistic" and getting it posted to Lit. And even with that, I was slammed by most people - they wanted the "victim" to fall head over heels in love with her rapist. Go figure. When writing stories here, a writer has a tendency to write to what readers will read. Call it supply and demand, but that's the way things are.

Gotta say, though, that I agree with KM. If the category were to disappear tomorrow, I wouldn't be crying about it. But, oh well...

 

[Octavian]

provocative posts

I could be wrong, of course, but do I detect the same hand behind the provocative posts of GorgeousStud, IrresistibleBeauty and Naughty Mike?

Octavian
Bearer of the Silver Rose

 

[hiddenself]

If I had my way about it, Lit would do away with the non-consent category altogether. But I don't so, so be it.

But how's that different from "if I had my way about it, I would do away with all sex/porn writing"? Or, from "if I had my way about it, I would do away with all talk about sex"? Advocating censorship for things you find repugnant opens the door to censorship for anything that anyone else finds repugnant too (or, at least, when a "majority" deems it so).

You may say that the rule is for your own private site and you can do whatever you want. But the site is a public forum after all, not your home. And the big problem is the principle. If you accept the principle for your own site, a "moral majority" can also use it on a wider scale. Perhaps not directly, but by pressuring and threatening people who control all the easy avenues of expression (publishers' self-censorship is already pretty scary -- want to see it become even stronger?). One day, even your own writings may be the target. And where are you going to get sympathy and support then?

If you don't like it, don't read it. But why throw morality into the mix?

hs

 

[pointless]

non-consent definately makes my woody disappear in a hurry. it just seems more fun if everyone is willing, and that's what sex should be all about: fun and mutual gratification. selfish and violent sex is more about power and control.

i've known too many rapists and baby fuckers in my life to get off on other peoples pain. but thats just me. i'm weird like that.

 

[gauchecritic]

realistic incest. It's revolting to think of people who are sexually stimulated by hurting someone else.

People come here to masturbate to orgasm. There is something incredibly disturbing about the thought of people getting off to the rape or incest reality rather than the happy happy joy joy and so-not-happening fantasies they have here.

Although I do get quite a few pop-ups advertising Incestuoous rape sites (my own fault for visiting porn sites I know) for me the people who lump incest with rape are as bad as those self appointed moral guardians that categorize sex with violence.

When I read or write incest stories there is always consent, not even reluctant consent but self aware consent, between both parties.

KillerMuffin I am surprised that you of all people (and I know you hold your beliefs very strongly) would be a perpetrator of such an unthinking, tar-brushing, vilification. Then attempting to qualify it by apparently agreeing with georgeousstud and calling it realistic, beggars belief.

Rape of anyone, stranger or acquaintance, friend or family, young or old, man or woman, is still rape. The victim being related, a child, an old person or a passing friend holds no difference to the fact of no consent.

I still can't believe you said it and I thought I was

Gauche

 

[maggie2002]

NonConsent and Mind Control

I find it tough to tell the difference between the two. I feel of the two catagories that nonconsent at least gives you the opportunity of assimilating the experience and maybe turning it into a good thing. BEfore you all holler i.e. Man has been getting teased for weeks by girlfriend. He takes her home rips her clothes off and proceeds to make love to her. KEEP in mind here I am not advocating dry painful miserable power struggle rape. he sees that she enjoys it and that she climaxes it ends up happy for the night anyway. That is nonconsent turned out well.
Mind control to me advocates no consent whatso ever it is rape of the highest sort and that catagory could go away and I wouldn't miss it.
SO to each his own. Paybacks are hell is one of my stories on the board and I got feedback the other day no name of course where he called me a vile putrid minded bitch and hoped I would come down with aids among other things. I sent it to the webmaster as it upset me no end that someone could be that evil. I guess I have to get a thicker skin. ANyhow nonconsent is flirting mostly with a fantasy we all have. So well written I do enjoy most of it. Don't read incest to often at least here the children are of consenting age. That makes it at least allowable. I can see where a father or mother in good shape in their late fifties or sixties left alone by a partners death might enjoy a night or two of love with a consenting adult child and personally find nothing wrong with it. It isn't like mom is going to get preggers or dad is going to be dumb enough to impregnate daughter. so what's the harm. I wonder sometimes anyway with all the sperm banks and adoptions who knows who we are together with anyway?

 

[KillerMuffin]

Gauche, hs, these are my opinions. I'm entitled to them.

Thank you.

 

[Master_Vassago]

Now see here is where the difference can be found. Not all non-consent stories are rape. Some of them start out as someone being taken, not forced into sex against their will. While the story will eventually move to sex it doesn't always have to be rape. That is closed minded to think that non-consent is always rape.

Some women like to roleplay that whole burglar came in scenario. Knowing it is their husband or significant other, but still allowed the fantasy.

I have to agree with Maggie on the incest. I find it in real life disgusting but in writing you can turn and twist things to make it something less than evil. Besides it is society that has deemed incest shameful and disgusting. Yet, look at all the royal family trees. They intermingle somewhere along the lines all the way back to at least Ceaser's era. Pure blood is a must and you can only go so far to find a suitable source outside your bloodline. Theoretically we are all related so does that mean that incest is a common everyday occurance? There always numerous accounts of a brother and sister experiementing with one another or siblings for that matter when close in age. Plus in the mother/son father/daughter aspect I believe it was Siggy that said it is a natural reaction while young and through the teen years to harbor an attraction towards your opposite gender parent. Simply because you tend to crave attention from the other sexed parent.

Whoa not sure where all that came from. I guess I have no problem with either section as long as it is approached with some thought. I mean no parent is just going to walk in and have intercourse with their child. But certain situations may lead to accidental feels and lead from there. I also think that KM's point is fine, if you don't like it don't read it. Nuff said.

 

[SexyChele]

Actually, incest is not the seemingly "harmless" scenario talked of here. It's like rape - some make it into a fantasy. But to confuse the fantasy of incest with the reality of it, well, what can I say?

The simple truth? There are indeed parents who simply walk in and screw their young children. These children have no say, cannot give consent, and are scarred for life. I know. I work around this crap all day long. Fathers screwing their daughters, brothers feeling up younger sisters, stepfathers taking advantage while mom turns a blind eye. There is absolutely nothing "sexy" or "harmless" about incest in all of its reality. If you think non-consent or mind control is less than admirable, then incest is right up there.

The incidence of adult incest is unknown to me. I work with children. But I doubt it is as common as most want to believe. Plus, check out the incest category. How many of the girls are over the age of 25? Most are 18, and they are simply that age because the writers couldn't get it posted here without it, plain and simple.

This is a free site, owned by some one else. And people are free to read what they wish, without making apologies to anyone else for reading it. But those of us who have opinions against or who are uncomfortable with it do have the right to express that as well.

Just my opinion.

 

[Master_Vassago]

OK keeping with that note I agree about the incest portion. I was just aiming at the adult portions here. Incest of anyone under 18 should be considered rape, molestation and child endagerment as well as numerous other things. Actually anything involving a child and an adult sexually is disgusting.

I just didn't delve as deeply when I posted last night. So I agree with you fully here SC.

 

[GorgeousStud]

Ok if your not allowed to put a realistic non-consent story why even have the subject in the story catergories? why not have it called dominant sex instead then?

You can say reading rape or incest is sick but other people would find threesomes, group sex, or your favourite fantasys sick to.

I just think this is a story website it should be freedom to write whatever you want and to read whatever you want. If you dont want to read these stories then dont! but why stop other people from reading a story they want to read?

Of course Rape & Incest are sick! anybody who commits these crimes should be executed. But this is a story website not reality, its fantasy and in fantasy you should be able to put anything you like and not be judged by it.

(And no i am totally new to this forum though i have been checking out these stories for over a year now)

 

[SexyChele]

The reason you can't simply post whatever you want here is because this site is owned. The owner, Laurel, has the freedom to determine what she wants to see on her site. Those of us who wish to write and have our stories posted here, abide by her rules - willingly. It's like, if I go to a friend's home and they don't want people putting their feet up on the furniture. When I go there, I respect that even though I might do it in my own home, or at another friend's home.

There are places on the net that accept and post outright rape and incest stories. If you PM me, I can give you at least one site that I know of. They accept serious and violent rape, and the youngest character in a story that I've seen was 13. (Despite the fact that the site owners state they do not post anything that involves pedophilia, but I'm not certain what age they consider that)

Another option is for you to begin either a Yahoo or MSN group and post your own stories. You can write whatever you wish, post it, and still have it read. And you can have others post their stories as well.

There are other places besides Lit that have rules that are much more lax. If Lit is not providing you with the type of stories you want to read, there are other places to go. However, stating that a site owner should change his/her rules to accommodate a reader is really out of line.

And, yes, I do accept that what I might consider to be a fantasy might be considered "sick" by some one else. That's their opinion. They are entitled to it, just as I am to mine. I don't carry on a campaign here at Lit to get rid of categories that bother me. I figure some one likes to read them, and I can just avoid them. Everyone's happy, so what's the big deal?

 

[Gabriel_Lee]

The simple truth? There are indeed parents who simply walk in and screw their young children. These children have no say, cannot give consent, and are scarred for life. I know. I work around this crap all day long. Fathers screwing their daughters, brothers feeling up younger sisters, stepfathers taking advantage while mom turns a blind eye. There is absolutely nothing "sexy" or "harmless" about incest in all of its reality. If you think non-consent or mind control is less than admirable, then incest is right up there.

This is wrong because it is child abuse, not because it is incest. Rape is primarily a crime of violence, though maybe not technically. To equate Incest with Child Abuse and NonConsent with Rape and then using this as the basis for an argument, seems to me to be unhelpful and is probably taking this thread off course.

 

[pointless]

This is wrong because it is child abuse, not because it is incest. Rape is primarily a crime of violence, though maybe not technically. To equate Incest with Child Abuse and NonConsent with Rape and then using this as the basis for an argument, seems to me to be unhelpful and is probably taking this thread off course.

personally the only cases of incest i've ever known about were all rape. if you can't see that aspect of it then your blind or stupid. you can just ignore reality and pretend that incest isn't a potentially damaging act in itself.

and rape is a nonconsentual sex act. it's not that big of a leap to connect the two. it is a valid argument. you may not agree with it, but it is valid.

 

[gauchecritic]

personally the only cases of incest i've ever known about were all rape. if you can't see that aspect of it then your blind or stupid. you can just ignore reality and pretend that incest isn't a potentially damaging act in itself.

and rape is a nonconsentual sex act. it's not that big of a leap to connect the two. it is a valid argument. you may not agree with it, but it is valid.

I've already had my say on rape versus incest in more threads than this, right now I'd like to take you up on your logic pointless.

As with lots of people who voice their opinions on rape/incest versus fantasy you confess a personal knowledge of such cases, granted. You go to some lengths to call people who don't agree with your point of view stupid and worse you thereby imply indifference.

You state incest is potentially damaging very true. You state rape is a non-consensual act equally true but here is where you fall down, you leap (into the dark) and state the two are connected.

Syllogistic reasoning (as yours purports itself to be by its conclusion) often leads to incorrect conclusions simply because the whole structure is held up by itself and itself alone.

That is to say for example; shoes are made of leather. Hats are made of leather ergo shoes (like hats) are worn on the head.

There is no logical connection. ipso facto you have no valid (global) arguement.

Or is that being just too

Gauche

 

[pointless]

the only thing i was really trying to say was that it seems some here are simply dismissing arguments simply because they disagree with them. if i failed in that, i apologize.

but...

certainly, there are probably cases of incest that are not abusive by nature, but do you honestly believe that that is the rule? and even then, can you say that it is still good? we do exist in a society that frowns upon this behaviour. you can't discount that no matter how much you may want to.

as for rape/nonsentual sex, some cases may not be rape, but what is your definition of nonconsent? maybe in the realm of fantasy commiting a sex act on another person against their will might be acceptable or perhaps in roleplaying.

but then it wouldn't really be non-consent, now would it? i'm sorry, but the word itself implies rape to me.

if you want to tell me i'm wrong then tell me why your right. don't just argue against my argument. that shit really pisses me off.

 

[pointless]

wait, wait, wait...

i think i see the problem here. i wasn't equating rape with incest. my statements were meant to be seperate. i was arguing that rape and non-consent were connected AND that incest is potentially damaging but NOT that incest is necesarily rape.

you miss read me, though that may have been more my fault then yours.

i'll leave my previous statements up simply because i feel that they are still true, but i just had to say this. sorry if there was any confusion.


and just to make it clear: in fantasy, whatever floats your boat is fine with me. i was just saying that the realism should be left out, though that is only due to my particular tastes.

i like the incest fantasy because of the dirtiness of it, its unattainability. it is roughly the same reason i like lesbian stories.

again i apologize if i was unclear before.

 

[gauchecritic]

Don't apologise. clearly we read each other wrong.

On my part I was attempting to deflect some of the seriousness and emotionality in the thread by being frivolous and obviously

Gauche

 

[Gabriel_Lee]

My definition of non-consent is acting under some constraint or duress which is outside of your ability to control. Generally, in the context of erotica, I would accept an even wider definition, like being placed in a situation where the options were very limited.

Personally, I find the balance of power, especially where that shifts in the course of the story interesting. There is also something liberating in situations where, paradoxically, the responsibility for your actions has been taken away from you (or maybe even given). But I don't mean rape!

I am not particularly interested in acts of violence, especially towards children. Personally the whole subject sickens me and seems irrelevant, to me at least, to erotica generally.

Incest is another matter. I'm just not interested in incest, but can understand others finding the subject exciting sexually. This is a social taboo and, therefore, 'dirty'. The label 'dirty' always seems to add spice to erotica. The simple fact is we all have a different flavour of 'dirty'.

But it is mostly fantasy. I think there is a danger of people being led astray here. You do not advocate something because you write about it or read about it, but this thread seems to have gone off at a tangent.

Rape is wrong! Child abuse is wrong! ... but no-one seems to be saying otherwise.

 

[Stefan_J]

I think that it all comes back to what you like. In real life, rape, incest and child molestation is sick and disgusting and any perpetrator of these acts should be drawn, quatered and shot to pieces, not necessarily in that order.

But it does all come down to personal taste, or, as some have mentioned, bad taste. Some people like reading this material, there's an actual genre dedicated to Non-Conscent and Incest so there is a demand for it. If no one wanted to read it, or if the administrator of this site didn't like the content of these stories, they'd be banned. The genres would be taken off and the stories deleted. There's a simple answer to all these people who dislike these types of stories and that is, don't read them! It takes different strokes for different folks, what one person declares in bad taste, another thinks the opposite. Which is why censorship doesn't work, because not everyone has the same opinions as others. You can speak your mind, have your opinion heard that you don't like this type of material, but don't try to tell people what they should be writing and reading, it isn't really in your right.

 

[JackDRiper]

I only read what gorgeousstud wrote and didn't bother to read the rest of the thread mostly because I don't care about other peoples opinions.

That’s what bothers me about the non-consent section I enjoyed the I know who you did last summer stories but it was totally unrealistic he forces every woman around him, and I suspect in the next chapter his mother, to completely submit to him. And they absolutely love it. In the first chapter the victim orgasms 11 times.

I haven't found a story where the victim is crying for help, or resisting for more than 5 minutes. Sure it's a fantasy and all make believe but why aren’t there any stories where the victim is, well, a victim. Fighting and struggling.

I'm sure some of you have posted that its morally wrong and that its wrong to want to rape someone. In the words of the webmaster:

This is not a glorification of rape, but an acknowledgement that people do have these fantasies - because fantasy is not reality, it can be enjoyable and cathartic without the risk of harm.

I'll leave it at that. I did see what Stefan_J posted:

In real life, rape, incest and child molestation is sick and disgusting and any perpetrator of these acts should be drawn, quatered and shot to pieces, not necessarily in that order.

Well all homosexuals should be castrated, S & M enthusiast are freaks who should be ostracized from society. Why don't we ban them from literotica how could anyone enjoy golden showers.

If you start censoring based on what is socially acceptable or morally wrong then all we'd have left is quickie missionary sex for impregnation purposes only. The point of erotic literature is to fulfill fantasies, however sick or unmoral!

 

[Stefan_J]

Jack, i was supporting what you were saying man, i was just implying that in the real world, yes, i find it morally wrong. But in stories i find it okay, because it isn't real...it's just a fantasy. Better for someone to relieve any frustrations in a story, writing or reading, than to go out and do something terrible, this is one of the main reasons i'm against censorship.