Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
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That may be but it has not been there so long, and as sticky's are usually intended to stay, can't see the point of the discussion. Personally I think it was a fantastic idea and is a great resource for finding good reading, and also allowing our own community members to let us know both what they recommend, and when they have something new posted. Now if this was a poll for editing hijacks from threads in Talk, or keeping at least some connection to BDSM in threads, fluff or otherwise, I could definately see a purpose.
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WriterDom said:
Well, give me a second to peruse how many submissions you have to this thread...hummmm...
What the hell harm does this thread do and why do you care? There are some really good stories linked there that aren't just by the authors.
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If the intent of the Shameless Plug sticky is to promote new stories and poems, then at least with me, it's a total failure.
Once the thread passed a full page, i stopped even opening it.
If i'm looking for something to read (and it does occasionally happen that way), it's faster and easier to just search for the name of one of the author's i've read before or someone's name i know here.
If the Shameless Plugs were condensed into one post, that would be quicker and easier than searching and i'd use it.
Just my three and a half cents.
Once the thread passed a full page, i stopped even opening it.
If i'm looking for something to read (and it does occasionally happen that way), it's faster and easier to just search for the name of one of the author's i've read before or someone's name i know here.
If the Shameless Plugs were condensed into one post, that would be quicker and easier than searching and i'd use it.
Just my three and a half cents.
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WriterDom said:
I do feel like we are "Sticky Excessive."
I am not sure unstickifying this thread is the best answer, but let me think on it and observe for a day.
Please, feel free to give feedback concerning the stickies. I am game for ideas.
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I have never opened it... not once.
I know the authors and poets who I want to read and I do so.
Call me lazy.
I know the authors and poets who I want to read and I do so.
Call me lazy.
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Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
Think from my perspective a day is a little short considering it is now Sunday and this poll was posted today, and many people who are regulars do not visit the board everyday, especially weekends and early week. As I have said, I don't see the problem and as a little research I have just checked the other forums as I thought I recalled seeing more sticky's on most. Cafe has 2, Talk has 3 (and strangely doesn't seem to be a problem), and the majority of the rest including GLBT, Poetry Discussions, Author's Hangout, Story Discussion, have 3-4 sticky's.....so 2 seems to be fairly low in number for Lit.
If people don't want to access the thread they don't have to, but I do notice it is well used, and people who write in our genre but are not necessarily regular posters have also become aware of it and posted, sometimes even adding to discussion on the threads. Where is the harm is what I am asking myself, where is the issue with this particular sticky which is a bare 6 months old and yet regarded as being here too long....haven't the others been here longer? Maybe I am strange, but I fail to see any reason to remove or cut it loose.
I would think if we are going to begin housecleaning (the original excuse used) we can start with threads that have no BDSM content and maybe better transferred to the GB. Realistically a thread for writers of BDSM to be promoted is more in fitting with the BDSM theme than who go to go to their high school prom, concerts we have or might attend in the future, weight loss programmes, songs we like and can't get out of our head, etc.....I have contributred happily to such threads but if we are on a campaign to so called eradicate that which does not belong here, out of a sense of fairness, let's begin with non BDSM content.
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MissTaken said:I do feel like we are "Sticky Excessive."
I am not sure unstickifying this thread is the best answer, but let me think on it and observe for a day.
Please, feel free to give feedback concerning the stickies. I am game for ideas.
Think from my perspective a day is a little short considering it is now Sunday and this poll was posted today, and many people who are regulars do not visit the board everyday, especially weekends and early week. As I have said, I don't see the problem and as a little research I have just checked the other forums as I thought I recalled seeing more sticky's on most. Cafe has 2, Talk has 3 (and strangely doesn't seem to be a problem), and the majority of the rest including GLBT, Poetry Discussions, Author's Hangout, Story Discussion, have 3-4 sticky's.....so 2 seems to be fairly low in number for Lit.
If people don't want to access the thread they don't have to, but I do notice it is well used, and people who write in our genre but are not necessarily regular posters have also become aware of it and posted, sometimes even adding to discussion on the threads. Where is the harm is what I am asking myself, where is the issue with this particular sticky which is a bare 6 months old and yet regarded as being here too long....haven't the others been here longer? Maybe I am strange, but I fail to see any reason to remove or cut it loose.
I would think if we are going to begin housecleaning (the original excuse used) we can start with threads that have no BDSM content and maybe better transferred to the GB. Realistically a thread for writers of BDSM to be promoted is more in fitting with the BDSM theme than who go to go to their high school prom, concerts we have or might attend in the future, weight loss programmes, songs we like and can't get out of our head, etc.....I have contributred happily to such threads but if we are on a campaign to so called eradicate that which does not belong here, out of a sense of fairness, let's begin with non BDSM content.
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Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
I think you overstep your bounds here Catalina... I find your words uncalled for. I realize that you view life differently than most of us and have purposely stayed away from your threads.
But you are out of line... No one called for a housecleaning, only asked a question about interest.
Perhaps you step back and think before posting or perhaps you should step down as a Mod, if you cannot hold a more objective view.
catalina_francisco said:Think from my perspective a day is a little short considering it is now Sunday and this poll was posted today, and many people who are regulars do not visit the board everyday, especially weekends and early week. As I have said, I don't see the problem and as a little research I have just checked the other forums as I thought I recalled seeing more sticky's on most. Cafe has 2, Talk has 3 (and strangely doesn't seem to be a problem), and the majority of the rest including GLBT, Poetry Discussions, Author's Hangout, Story Discussion, have 3-4 sticky's.....so 2 seems to be fairly low in number for Lit.
If people don't want to access the thread they don't have to, but I do notice it is well used, and people who write in our genre but are not necessarily regular posters have also become aware of it and posted, sometimes even adding to discussion on the threads. Where is the harm is what I am asking myself, where is the issue with this particular sticky which is a bare 6 months old and yet regarded as being here too long....haven't the others been here longer? Maybe I am strange, but I fail to see any reason to remove or cut it loose.
I would think if we are going to begin housecleaning (the original excuse used) we can start with threads that have no BDSM content and maybe better transferred to the GB. Realistically a thread for writers of BDSM to be promoted is more in fitting with the BDSM theme than who go to go to their high school prom, concerts we have or might attend in the future, weight loss programmes, songs we like and can't get out of our head, etc.....I have contributred happily to such threads but if we are on a campaign to so called eradicate that which does not belong here, out of a sense of fairness, let's begin with non BDSM content.
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I think you overstep your bounds here Catalina... I find your words uncalled for. I realize that you view life differently than most of us and have purposely stayed away from your threads.
But you are out of line... No one called for a housecleaning, only asked a question about interest.
Perhaps you step back and think before posting or perhaps you should step down as a Mod, if you cannot hold a more objective view.
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There are plenty of threads in the cafe that technically do not "belong" here, that could easily be moved elsewhere to more "appropriate" forums.
But those kinds of threads have helped create a sense of community for a great many of us, for a very diverse group of people. They have helped create online friendships that otherwise might never have developed.
The last thing I would like to see is people feeling that their threads are viewed as silly or inappropriate and thus stifle their ideas and their view of fun here.
Personally, I kind of liked morninggirl's suggestion.
But those kinds of threads have helped create a sense of community for a great many of us, for a very diverse group of people. They have helped create online friendships that otherwise might never have developed.
The last thing I would like to see is people feeling that their threads are viewed as silly or inappropriate and thus stifle their ideas and their view of fun here.
Personally, I kind of liked morninggirl's suggestion.
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I would prefer it stay. I don't have a lot of time to read, but when I do, this is an excellent source for new material.
But I'm still on page 1!!!
But I'm still on page 1!!!
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Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
i do believe that these comments are going to be met with discontent. You have a point, but in expressing it, you've managed to put out the impression that the threads you mentioned don't hold a purpose here in the Cafe.
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catalina_francisco said:Think from my perspective a day is a little short considering it is now Sunday and this poll was posted today, and many people who are regulars do not visit the board everyday, especially weekends and early week. As I have said, I don't see the problem and as a little research I have just checked the other forums as I thought I recalled seeing more sticky's on most. Cafe has 2, Talk has 3 (and strangely doesn't seem to be a problem), and the majority of the rest including GLBT, Poetry Discussions, Author's Hangout, Story Discussion, have 3-4 sticky's.....so 2 seems to be fairly low in number for Lit.
If people don't want to access the thread they don't have to, but I do notice it is well used, and people who write in our genre but are not necessarily regular posters have also become aware of it and posted, sometimes even adding to discussion on the threads. Where is the harm is what I am asking myself, where is the issue with this particular sticky which is a bare 6 months old and yet regarded as being here too long....haven't the others been here longer? Maybe I am strange, but I fail to see any reason to remove or cut it loose.
I would think if we are going to begin housecleaning (the original excuse used) we can start with threads that have no BDSM content and maybe better transferred to the GB. Realistically a thread for writers of BDSM to be promoted is more in fitting with the BDSM theme than who go to go to their high school prom, concerts we have or might attend in the future, weight loss programmes, songs we like and can't get out of our head, etc.....I have contributred happily to such threads but if we are on a campaign to so called eradicate that which does not belong here, out of a sense of fairness, let's begin with non BDSM content.
Catalina
i do believe that these comments are going to be met with discontent. You have a point, but in expressing it, you've managed to put out the impression that the threads you mentioned don't hold a purpose here in the Cafe.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
I think she has a very valid point.
I also think she could have made it in a gentler and much less strident way. But there are times we could all heed that advice.
(Right or wrong, people do view Mods in a different light and hold them to a higher standard.)
And again, the threads mentioned and others like them have helped create a sense of community here. I think that is highly germaine to this discussion, now that it has been brought up.
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I think she has a very valid point.
I also think she could have made it in a gentler and much less strident way. But there are times we could all heed that advice.
(Right or wrong, people do view Mods in a different light and hold them to a higher standard.)
And again, the threads mentioned and others like them have helped create a sense of community here. I think that is highly germaine to this discussion, now that it has been brought up.
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I don't think Catalina said anything remotely out of line or in any way inappropriately. She clearly stated that she has contributed happily to those threads. The point she was making is that particular sticky thread is 100% BDSM related where as the mentioned threads are not.
I have NO PROBLEM with non-BDSM threads in the Cafe. I don't think Catalina does either.
Wow, I make what was admittedly a harsh comment on a thread that was in the forum and belonged in the cafe and I get pm's chastising me for being mean and starting a potential flame war. Catalina posts an opinion and she's asked to step down as a mod and in less than gentle words by one of the same people who pm'd me and whom I admitted being out of line to.
I'll just keep on doing what I do but this has all gotten rather ridiculous.
As a side note and a possible surprise to some, a lot of people read these forums that never post. A compilation of D/s themed stories did in the begining and does now seem like a good idea to me.
I have NO PROBLEM with non-BDSM threads in the Cafe. I don't think Catalina does either.
Wow, I make what was admittedly a harsh comment on a thread that was in the forum and belonged in the cafe and I get pm's chastising me for being mean and starting a potential flame war. Catalina posts an opinion and she's asked to step down as a mod and in less than gentle words by one of the same people who pm'd me and whom I admitted being out of line to.
I'll just keep on doing what I do but this has all gotten rather ridiculous.
As a side note and a possible surprise to some, a lot of people read these forums that never post. A compilation of D/s themed stories did in the begining and does now seem like a good idea to me.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
Wow. Last time I checked free speech was alive and well here at Lit. So, what you're saying here Cellis, is that just because Catalina is a mod, she needs to censor her posting?
I think not.
I think YOU need to back up and think about what you just posted.
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cellis said:
Wow. Last time I checked free speech was alive and well here at Lit. So, what you're saying here Cellis, is that just because Catalina is a mod, she needs to censor her posting?
I think not.
I think YOU need to back up and think about what you just posted.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
Sorry you feel this way cellis....personally I don't avoid anyone's thread either before or since becoming moderator as I find that limits my life too much, and I am not into personally restricting myself in such ways as I find it limits my opportunities to grow as a person. I have found a weath of informatiion on Lit which has helped me grow and learn, and surprisingly for some maybe, often from people I did not feel I agreed with very often. It is also disturbing to find that despite your often friendly posts to my posts you have this personal issue with me, but so be it. Might I suggest before posting that no-one called for house cleaning you check the opening post....as I have placed below to save scrolling.
Posted by WriterDom : Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
The fewer the stickys the better in my view. IMHO this one has run its course and it is time for some housecleaning.
In my opinion if you post a question with a poll, everyone has a right to say what they think. As I pointed out, if the issue is with the amount of sticky's and the need to houseclean, why begin here where there are less Sticky's than Talk and most other Lit forums, and why start with a thread which is BDSM in content, and perhaps more importantly for a site built on literature and writers, seems to have a place of significance?
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Sorry you feel this way cellis....personally I don't avoid anyone's thread either before or since becoming moderator as I find that limits my life too much, and I am not into personally restricting myself in such ways as I find it limits my opportunities to grow as a person. I have found a weath of informatiion on Lit which has helped me grow and learn, and surprisingly for some maybe, often from people I did not feel I agreed with very often. It is also disturbing to find that despite your often friendly posts to my posts you have this personal issue with me, but so be it. Might I suggest before posting that no-one called for house cleaning you check the opening post....as I have placed below to save scrolling.
Posted by WriterDom : Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
The fewer the stickys the better in my view. IMHO this one has run its course and it is time for some housecleaning.
In my opinion if you post a question with a poll, everyone has a right to say what they think. As I pointed out, if the issue is with the amount of sticky's and the need to houseclean, why begin here where there are less Sticky's than Talk and most other Lit forums, and why start with a thread which is BDSM in content, and perhaps more importantly for a site built on literature and writers, seems to have a place of significance?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
Sorry it has been read this way and I would have PMed those involved in those threads to ensure there was no misunderstanding if I had not been rushing out the door and already late.....but if read, I have noted I have personally contributed quite happily to such threads and have no issue with them, but if threads and sticky's are to be debated as to their usefulness and place here, I think it is a bit nonsensical to start with ones which are related to BDSM, well used by posters from here and the rest of Literotica (not to overloook the recent requests we have had as to where to find good fiction reading of BDSM and pointed to this sticky), while unrelated topics remain, and then to suggest a decision be made within a day of this poll being posted. What's the huge rush for I find myself asking, why can't people be given an opportunity to have their say over at least a 2 week period to allow for those who may not be online today or the next? Seems the egalitarian way to me.
Maybe I am crazy, but it seems illogical to begin removing BDSM material. If you want my personal view on it, I don't think any of them need removing, but if a majority say ditch it after giving time for most to see the poll, I have no issue what happens. And yes, I may not be the most carefully worded, diplomatic soul here, especially when rushing out, but I am into fairness and honesty and felt this was an issue for everyone to decide, not just a few fortunate enough to be reading the board on a Sunday afternoon.
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Sorry it has been read this way and I would have PMed those involved in those threads to ensure there was no misunderstanding if I had not been rushing out the door and already late.....but if read, I have noted I have personally contributed quite happily to such threads and have no issue with them, but if threads and sticky's are to be debated as to their usefulness and place here, I think it is a bit nonsensical to start with ones which are related to BDSM, well used by posters from here and the rest of Literotica (not to overloook the recent requests we have had as to where to find good fiction reading of BDSM and pointed to this sticky), while unrelated topics remain, and then to suggest a decision be made within a day of this poll being posted. What's the huge rush for I find myself asking, why can't people be given an opportunity to have their say over at least a 2 week period to allow for those who may not be online today or the next? Seems the egalitarian way to me.
Maybe I am crazy, but it seems illogical to begin removing BDSM material. If you want my personal view on it, I don't think any of them need removing, but if a majority say ditch it after giving time for most to see the poll, I have no issue what happens. And yes, I may not be the most carefully worded, diplomatic soul here, especially when rushing out, but I am into fairness and honesty and felt this was an issue for everyone to decide, not just a few fortunate enough to be reading the board on a Sunday afternoon.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
LOL, thank goodness I am not into trying to win everyone's heart at the expense of transparency and equality. I also thought free speech was something most here spat chips about wanting to uphold over and over.
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AnelizeDarkEyes said:
LOL, thank goodness I am not into trying to win everyone's heart at the expense of transparency and equality. I also thought free speech was something most here spat chips about wanting to uphold over and over.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
Thank you ADR...the post was rushed and perhaps could be worded gentler, but as we know, I do not dress up words when I am passionate about upholding peoples rights to have an equal say, nor do I feel it appropriate to cloak them in humour...I like my words to be clear and to the point I am making, is the way I was raised to be, direct. As you have noted, all the threads contribute to the community of this forum, and that is the beauty of it and one which has meant I have not had personal issue with any of them remaining, and shock, horror, as you are aware I even join in the fun of those non BDSM related threads myself. I even have contributed more than once to the thread in discussion, mostly to promote the work of others, and with the exception of one were not personally known to me then or now, but who I thought were excellent writers and worth reading for those interested...that to me also is part of community bonding.
As to Mods having higher standards, that is subjective IMHO. My standards were in protecting the rights of people who might want their say in this, those who are part of this community, all of them, not just a few. I am human like the rest, I don't get paid, I was asked to be a moderator....didn't ask to become one, think it is a position where you work to uphold rights as opposed to favouring friends and trying to win favour, and personally have found it a thankless position but one I take seriously...certainly it is not grandiose and to believe it made me some creature on a pedestal above the rest of my peers would go against every value I live in my life as in all being equal and having a right to a voice and their truth.
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Thank you ADR...the post was rushed and perhaps could be worded gentler, but as we know, I do not dress up words when I am passionate about upholding peoples rights to have an equal say, nor do I feel it appropriate to cloak them in humour...I like my words to be clear and to the point I am making, is the way I was raised to be, direct. As you have noted, all the threads contribute to the community of this forum, and that is the beauty of it and one which has meant I have not had personal issue with any of them remaining, and shock, horror, as you are aware I even join in the fun of those non BDSM related threads myself. I even have contributed more than once to the thread in discussion, mostly to promote the work of others, and with the exception of one were not personally known to me then or now, but who I thought were excellent writers and worth reading for those interested...that to me also is part of community bonding.
As to Mods having higher standards, that is subjective IMHO. My standards were in protecting the rights of people who might want their say in this, those who are part of this community, all of them, not just a few. I am human like the rest, I don't get paid, I was asked to be a moderator....didn't ask to become one, think it is a position where you work to uphold rights as opposed to favouring friends and trying to win favour, and personally have found it a thankless position but one I take seriously...certainly it is not grandiose and to believe it made me some creature on a pedestal above the rest of my peers would go against every value I live in my life as in all being equal and having a right to a voice and their truth.
Catalina
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
As i mentioned, you do have a point and in no way disagreed with the premise behind your post, just pointing out the tone. i figured it would be taken that way simply because those who participate in the non-BDSM related threads seem to take lots of pleasure in doing so and have the same proprietary feelings about these kinds of threads as you do about the subject sticky.
i agree that no BDSM related threads should be moved out of either forum and common sense does dictate that should anything be moved, it should be threads of a non-BDSM nature. However, to do so would remove a haven of sorts for those who'd rather make those kinds of posts here with other members of our society rather than on the GB, the Playground, etc. So that's the conundrum and not necessarily the issue. It is easy to get sidetracked by a comment and if this is about the sticky remaining or not, i think it best to address that issue.
Whatever the case, i've never visited the subject sticky more than once, but see no reason to remove it. This shouldn't be a huge deal. If you don't want to look at sticky content ... don't open it. In the end, the decision to move it will be at the moderators discretion.
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catalina_francisco said:Sorry it has been read this way and I would have PMed those involved in those threads to ensure there was no misunderstanding if I had not been rushing out the door and already late.....but if read, I have noted I have personally contributed quite happily to such threads and have no issue with them, but if threads and sticky's are to be debated as to their usefulness and place here, I think it is a bit nonsensical to start with ones which are related to BDSM, well used by posters from here and the rest of Literotica (not to overloook the recent requests we have had as to where to find good fiction reading of BDSM and pointed to this sticky), while unrelated topics remain, and then to suggest a decision be made within a day of this poll being posted. What's the huge rush for I find myself asking, why can't people be given an opportunity to have their say over at least a 2 week period to allow for those who may not be online today or the next? Seems the egalitarian way to me.
Maybe I am crazy, but it seems illogical to begin removing BDSM material. If you want my personal view on it, I don't think any of them need removing, but if a majority say ditch it after giving time for most to see the poll, I have no issue what happens. And yes, I may not be the most carefully worded, diplomatic soul here, especially when rushing out, but I am into fairness and honesty and felt this was an issue for everyone to decide, not just a few fortunate enough to be reading the board on a Sunday afternoon.
Catalina
As i mentioned, you do have a point and in no way disagreed with the premise behind your post, just pointing out the tone. i figured it would be taken that way simply because those who participate in the non-BDSM related threads seem to take lots of pleasure in doing so and have the same proprietary feelings about these kinds of threads as you do about the subject sticky.
i agree that no BDSM related threads should be moved out of either forum and common sense does dictate that should anything be moved, it should be threads of a non-BDSM nature. However, to do so would remove a haven of sorts for those who'd rather make those kinds of posts here with other members of our society rather than on the GB, the Playground, etc. So that's the conundrum and not necessarily the issue. It is easy to get sidetracked by a comment and if this is about the sticky remaining or not, i think it best to address that issue.
Whatever the case, i've never visited the subject sticky more than once, but see no reason to remove it. This shouldn't be a huge deal. If you don't want to look at sticky content ... don't open it. In the end, the decision to move it will be at the moderators discretion.
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WriterDom said:
Back to the original question, the thread is one of the top ten most viewed threads in the Cafe and by comparison, would be in the top 40 (approximation) on the Talk forum.
People are reading the thread, even if they aren't posting.
IMHO, the sticky should remain. Now, how and when posters use it is up to them. If the bulk of the use is by people looking for reading material, it has and is serving it's purpose.
If anyone feels it should be redone, remodelled, revamped....give me some suggestions.
I guess this thread has made me think about those stickies. While they seem stale to most of us, they are being read. As has been pointed out, it appears that as with many forums of this nature, there are far more readers than posters.
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No it should not.....and I am not going to even waste my breath!
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based on what? I don't think it is in the top 30%. And if it wasn't a sticky it would be buried. It might be in the top ten of the first page, but there are 1000s of non-sticky threads with more views. 1400 for a sticky? And you are calling it a top ten most viewed threads? Get a grip.
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based on what? I don't think it is in the top 30%. And if it wasn't a sticky it would be buried. It might be in the top ten of the first page, but there are 1000s of non-sticky threads with more views. 1400 for a sticky? And you are calling it a top ten most viewed threads? Get a grip.
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