Should Existing Child Porn be Legalized?

norak

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There is evidence that Internet porn reduces rape (http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=ais) . According to Lansburg, "A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth." Lansburg even claims that the release of violent movies reduces violence and crime.

The hypothesis for this result is that the availability of pornography allows sexually aroused people to satiate their desires indoors in front of a computer. If the pornography were not available, the individual would have to look for an alternative outlet for his sexual desires, and these alternative outlets may involve the rape of innocent women. Likewise, there are those who have a desire for violence, and violent movies may satiate that desire indoor in front of a television screen. The violent individual then doesn't need to express his anger and violence in public.

Child porn is banned presumably because its creation involves the abuse of a child. Legalizing child porn may stimulate its production, which leads to more child abuse.

Suppose the government banned the production of further child porn to prevent any further child abuse yet kept a national database of child pornography that already exists. This national database of child porn is freely available to the public so that members of the population with pedophilic tendencies can satiate their desires in private without actually harming any children.

Because no new child porn is produced, no child is abused. Because pedophiles consume existing child porn, this will perhaps decrease child molestation in a way analogous to the decrease in rape and crime following the release of porn and violent movies.

What is required for this argument to be sound is evidence that availability of child porn results in less child molestation. Some will argue this is not the case, that child porn actually encourages pedophiles to act on their instincts. However, if the government takes the policy philosophy that they should ban anything that can encourage someone to do something illegal, then shouldn't violent movies also be banned because they can encourage people to murder?
 
No, if for no other reason than it can be used to ruin the victim's life.
 
This promises to be a fun-filled thread.
 
Rapists like power. How the hell do they get that from the net? That's bullshit.
 
It seems like once a week someone shows up here to present the no harm-no foul defense of child pornography, hoping to overcome the idea of it being intrensically harmful to children.

I think this is the first time anyone has argued it has a beneficial effect and then further supposing, since the harm is already done, let it remain in place.

I'm not buying this argument. I do not care if pedophiles have socially acceptable from of sexual release. If their own imagination is not good enough for them, its not my problem. My problem is is protecting my children and any others from a preditor who cannot be made to understand the harm he causes.

Sorry, this argument is a bust. Stay away from my children.
 
MechaBlade said:
You said it, brother.

I'm looking forward to reading all 7000 pages of flaming hatred when I get back next week.
 
Nott said:
I'm looking forward to reading all 7000 pages of flaming hatred when I get back next week.
I'll post summaries every 20 pages.
 
lets say, for arguments sake, that it would decrease the frequency of child molestation.

no. the president it would set could be a floodgate of child abuse litigation.
 
bronzeage said:
It seems like once a week someone shows up here to present the no harm-no foul defense of child pornography, hoping to overcome the idea of it being intrensically harmful to children.

I think this is the first time anyone has argued it has a beneficial effect and then further supposing, since the harm is already done, let it remain in place.

I'm not buying this argument. I do not care if pedophiles have socially acceptable from of sexual release. If their own imagination is not good enough for them, its not my problem. My problem is is protecting my children and any others from a preditor who cannot be made to understand the harm he causes.

Sorry, this argument is a bust. Stay away from my children.
thank you
 
The premise of the study makes some sense. If people have acceptable outlets for their needs, they most likely will use them. Mostly, only sociopathic individuals will continue to use socially unacceptable releases.

As to the child porn, it's just like any other industry. If their is a demand, it will be filled. There is no way that you can say, "This and no more."
 
norak said:
There is evidence that Internet porn reduces rape (http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/?nav=ais) . According to Lansburg, "A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth." Lansburg even claims that the release of violent movies reduces violence and crime.

The hypothesis for this result is that the availability of pornography allows sexually aroused people to satiate their desires indoors in front of a computer. If the pornography were not available, the individual would have to look for an alternative outlet for his sexual desires, and these alternative outlets may involve the rape of innocent women. Likewise, there are those who have a desire for violence, and violent movies may satiate that desire indoor in front of a television screen. The violent individual then doesn't need to express his anger and violence in public.

Child porn is banned presumably because its creation involves the abuse of a child. Legalizing child porn may stimulate its production, which leads to more child abuse.

Suppose the government banned the production of further child porn to prevent any further child abuse yet kept a national database of child pornography that already exists. This national database of child porn is freely available to the public so that members of the population with pedophilic tendencies can satiate their desires in private without actually harming any children.

Because no new child porn is produced, no child is abused. Because pedophiles consume existing child porn, this will perhaps decrease child molestation in a way analogous to the decrease in rape and crime following the release of porn and violent movies.

What is required for this argument to be sound is evidence that availability of child porn results in less child molestation. Some will argue this is not the case, that child porn actually encourages pedophiles to act on their instincts. However, if the government takes the policy philosophy that they should ban anything that can encourage someone to do something illegal, then shouldn't violent movies also be banned because they can encourage people to murder?

I hope you go to prison very soon and put in general population.
 
No matter what benefit you might think child pornography may have the words child and pornography do not go together. Any benefit you think kiddie porn has is outweighed by the fact that the children are the innocent victims even on the silver screen.
 
PannieMonster said:
No matter what benefit you might think child pornography may have the words child and pornography do not go together. Any benefit you think kiddie porn has is outweighed by the fact that the children are the innocent victims even on the silver screen.

The kiddie porn has to be made someway, and I shudder to think all the ways they are made. So for the so-called benefit of "legit" release, somebody else violated a child. So in my mind, it is all the same.
 
Joaquin1975 said:
The kiddie porn has to be made someway, and I shudder to think all the ways they are made. So for the so-called benefit of "legit" release, somebody else violated a child. So in my mind, it is all the same.


There is no such thing as legit releases if you think about it. The children are still the victims.
 
JBCorbell said:
The premise of the study makes some sense. If people have acceptable outlets for their needs, they most likely will use them. Mostly, only sociopathic individuals will continue to use socially unacceptable releases.

As to the child porn, it's just like any other industry. If their is a demand, it will be filled. There is no way that you can say, "This and no more."

What school of psychology did you go to? Pedos are not sociopathalogical. They are usually diagnosed with neurosis, not psychosis.
 
veryblueeyes said:
What school of psychology did you go to? Pedos are not sociopathalogical. They are usually diagnosed with neurosis, not psychosis.

This thread needs some Ollie and quick.
 
Joaquin1975 said:
This thread needs some Ollie and quick.


Hey Wok. I was wrong? Considering I spent 4 years studying the shite; I hope not. I would be really embarassed.
 
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bronzeage said:
It seems like once a week someone shows up here to present the no harm-no foul defense of child pornography, hoping to overcome the idea of it being intrensically harmful to children.

I think this is the first time anyone has argued it has a beneficial effect and then further supposing, since the harm is already done, let it remain in place.

I'm not buying this argument. I do not care if pedophiles have socially acceptable from of sexual release. If their own imagination is not good enough for them, its not my problem. My problem is is protecting my children and any others from a preditor who cannot be made to understand the harm he causes.

Sorry, this argument is a bust. Stay away from my children.
The arguement that porn might, and I mean might, prevent some rapes is worth considering.

However, child porn is simply unacceptable.
 
veryblueeyes said:
Hey Wok. I was wrong? Considering I spent 4 years studying the shite; I hope not. I would be really embarassed.

Naw, I was not questioning your answer at all. You spent four years longer than I learning about it.
 
veryblueeyes said:
What school of psychology did you go to? Pedos are not sociopathalogical. They are usually diagnosed with neurosis, not psychosis.
Fair enough, but I was speaking more in terms of rapists.
 
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