Should AMA's anti-gun stance require a Miranda warning?

[coachdb18]

The AMA has long stood on a position that guns are a 'national health epidemic', while normal people know the problem is not guns, but violent and criminal behavior. If a criminal can't find a gun, they'll use a knife, a rock, a hammer, a tire iron... are we to make every object ever used in human vs human violence illegal?

Given this stance, it has brought out the zealots who feel doctors should ask about the presence of guns in the home as part of their health screening. Not only is this highly invasive and illegal activity, but it is a violation of our rights as protected by the US Constitution.

Question; if doctors take the advice of the AMA to question their patients about guns, should they face charges for this violation, and further, aren't they in violation of the Supreme Court's Miranda decision, that is to say, aren't they required to provide the 'you have the right to an attorney' and 'you have the right to refuse to answer', as well as 'anything you say may be used in a court of law against you'?

I think the better thing they can do is to recognize the fact that guns actually SAVE lives, most going unreported when the potential victim rises to his own defense and the criminal simply vanishes.

Or do we need to revise ObamaCare, and just like the original mandate requiring everyone to carry insurance, to make a gun a viable and legally acceptance form of personal health insurance, and require universal conceal carry, or pay an IRS fine?

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[SgtSpiderMan]

The AMA has long stood on a position that guns are a 'national health epidemic', while normal people know the problem is not guns, but violent and criminal behavior. If a criminal can't find a gun, they'll use a knife, a rock, a hammer, a tire iron... are we to make every object ever used in human vs human violence illegal?

Given this stance, it has brought out the zealots who feel doctors should ask about the presence of guns in the home as part of their health screening. Not only is this highly invasive and illegal activity, but it is a violation of our rights as protected by the US Constitution.

Question; if doctors take the advice of the AMA to question their patients about guns, should they face charges for this violation, and further, aren't they in violation of the Supreme Court's Miranda decision, that is to say, aren't they required to provide the 'you have the right to an attorney' and 'you have the right to refuse to answer', as well as 'anything you say may be used in a court of law against you'?

I think the better thing they can do is to recognize the fact that guns actually SAVE lives, most going unreported when the potential victim rises to his own defense and the criminal simply vanishes.

Or do we need to revise ObamaCare, and just like the original mandate requiring everyone to carry insurance, to make a gun a viable and legally acceptance form of personal health insurance, and require universal conceal carry, or pay an IRS fine?

Doctors have every right to ask a patient whatever they feel is necessary in their practice. It's a doctor's constitutional right and if you don't like it you're free to find another doctor.

 

[coachdb18]

Doctors have every right to ask a patient whatever they feel is necessary in their practice. It's a doctor's constitutional right and if you don't like it you're free to find another doctor.

Should your doctor be allowed to refuse to sell you a wedding cake because you're gay?

 

[Hypoxia]

Another absurd troll from the absurd traitor. Turn yourself in now.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Should your doctor be allowed to refuse to sell you a wedding cake because you're gay?

That's the worst deflection in the history of the GB and I've read lots of AJ posts.

 

[Que]

Doctors have every right to ask a patient whatever they feel is necessary in their practice. It's a doctor's constitutional right and if you don't like it you're free to find another doctor.

If you like your doctor, can you keep your doctor?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

If you like your doctor, can you keep your doctor?

Coach's deflection was better.

 

[coachdb18]

To make the point clear, owning a gun is no less a right than it was for a black child to attend a public school. How is this any different in intent than that for Brown v. Board of Education decision, issued May 17, 1954, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that segregation of America’s public schools was unconstitutional.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

To make the point clear, owning a gun is no less a right than it was for a black child to attend a public school. How is this any different in intent than that for Brown v. Board of Education decision, issued May 17, 1954, when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that segregation of America’s public schools was unconstitutional.

I'm that case rights were being taken away from citizens. A doctor asking a patient if they own a gun infringes on no rights.

 

[coachdb18]

I'm that case rights were being taken away from citizens. A doctor asking a patient if they own a gun infringes on no rights.

Constitution says 'shall not be infringed', and asking about this, or even going further to report such findings to the government as a 'health statistic' is definitely an infringement. Many Democrats are chomping at the bit to provide such lists for eventual confiscation.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Constitution says 'shall not be infringed', and asking about this, or even going further to report such findings to the government as a 'health statistic' is definitely an infringement. Many Democrats are chomping at the bit to provide such lists for eventual confiscation.

Asking about it is not an infringement on the right to own a gun. I can ask every poster about their gun ownership. If the doctor's want to collect data based on the answers they get that would not be an infringement either.

 

[coachdb18]

Asking about it is not an infringement on the right to own a gun. I can ask every poster about their gun ownership. If the doctor's want to collect data based on the answers they get that would not be an infringement either.

What do you think the purpose of 'collection of gun ownership data' is? Are you in support of higher insurance premiums for gun owners? What are the inherent dangers historically of a government collecting gun data on its citizens (hint: the answer can be found in 1930's Germany)?

 

[PollDancer]

The American Motorcyclist Association has a gun stance?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What do you think the purpose of 'collection of gun ownership data' is? Are you in support of higher insurance premiums for gun owners? What are the inherent dangers historically of a government collecting gun data on its citizens (hint: the answer can be found in 1930's Germany)?

Don't know and don't care.

 

[Hypoxia]

Turn yourself in now, traitor. We're tired of waiting.

[more treasonous blather]

USA citizens may not be denied the right to bear arms in defense of the nation. Legislation defines WHICH arms may be borne when not defending the nation from invasion. No RPGs, switchblades, or backpack nukes for you, traitor.

Turn yourself in now. Justice eagerly awaits you.

 

[ryan8558]

wasn't 1930's Germany "collecting guns" and not just information?

Sorry, tell me again how many guns have been confiscated.

 

[Sean]

wasn't 1930's Germany "collecting guns" and not just information?

No. The Nazis actually made it easier to get a gun. But it's a common lie trotted out by right wing retards that Hitler confiscated guns.

 

[Sean]

Given this stance, it has brought out the zealots who feel doctors should ask about the presence of guns in the home as part of their health screening. Not only is this highly invasive and illegal activity, but it is a violation of our rights as protected by the US Constitution.

Courts already ruled on this. Ask Vettebigot, CJ kicked the shit out of him when he tried to peddle the same shit you are.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No. The Nazis actually made it easier to get a gun. But it's a common lie trotted out by right wing retards that Hitler confiscated guns.

The Weapons law and act of 1938 only made it easier for Nazis and Nazi loyalist groups/individuals to get guns.

It further restricted gun ownership by other 'undesirable' groups like gypsies and blacks after already disarming the Jews who they would soon be joining on the cattle cars.

It's not so much a lie as a half truth, kinda like the ignorant shit you've posted here.

Nice try though.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Courts already ruled on this. Ask Vettebigot, CJ kicked the shit out of him when he tried to peddle the same shit you are.

More specifically:

The U.S. 11th Circuit Court of Appeal upheld a lower district court ruling that parts of the law prohibiting doctors from recording information about firearm ownership in patients’ medical records, from asking if a patient had a firearm at home — unless relevant to the patients’ safety and health — and from “harassing” patients about firearm ownership were unconstitutional.

Doctor-patient conversations are protected by the First Amendment, the court stated in its 90-page opinion released Feb. 17.

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Provisions that still exist under the law include: patients have the right to decline to provide doctors with information about firearm ownership; doctors are prohibited from discriminating against patients based solely on their firearm ownership or possession; and insurance companies cannot deny coverage, increase premiums or otherwise discriminate based on the applicant’s firearm ownership.

http://www.gainesville.com/news/20170612/federal-court-doctors-can-ask-patients-about-gun-ownership

Court is adjourned.

 

[Luk]

The AMA has long stood on a position that guns are a 'national health epidemic', while normal people know the problem is not guns, but violent and criminal behavior. If a criminal can't find a gun, they'll use a knife, a rock, a hammer, a tire iron... are we to make every object ever used in human vs human violence illegal?

Given this stance, it has brought out the zealots who feel doctors should ask about the presence of guns in the home as part of their health screening. Not only is this highly invasive and illegal activity, but it is a violation of our rights as protected by the US Constitution.

Question; if doctors take the advice of the AMA to question their patients about guns, should they face charges for this violation, and further, aren't they in violation of the Supreme Court's Miranda decision, that is to say, aren't they required to provide the 'you have the right to an attorney' and 'you have the right to refuse to answer', as well as 'anything you say may be used in a court of law against you'? It

I think the better thing they can do is to recognize the fact that guns actually SAVE lives, most going unreported when the potential victim rises to his own defense and the criminal simply vanishes.

Or do we need to revise ObamaCare, and just like the original mandate requiring everyone to carry insurance, to make a gun a viable and legally acceptance form of personal health insurance, and require universal conceal carry, or pay an IRS fine?

https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/...wsletter&utm_medium=insider&utm_campaign=0118

This stupidity is very unmensalike.

 

[William_James]

I have it on good authority coach dweeb exchanged blow jobs for an honorary membership within Mensa.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I've never had any doctor of any kind ask me if I owned a gun. If any ever did, I would tell them it was none of their business. Such info would be privileged communication between a patient and physician anyhow.

 

[Hypoxia]

This stupidity is very unmensalike.

It's just another bullshit troll from a self-declared traitor. Pay no attention.

 

[Boxlicker101]

wasn't 1930's Germany "collecting guns" and not just information?

Sorry, tell me again how many guns have been confiscated.

There are, literally, millions or news items about guns being confiscated: https://us.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sea...er=10.0&os=Windows+10+Home&p=guns+confiscated