Shocking Subject Matter

[bg23]

I recently posted a story - non-erotic - on the site. It was quite shocking - about infanticide. However, I did not feel that it was in anyway "sick". It might have been disturbing...but that was my intent. I was told quite emphatically that I was a "sick bitch" for writing it. Although I was expecting this - most people cannot see past the shocking subject matter, it was still quite a blow.

Has anyone else been in the same situation? Written about something shocking, but true to life, and been lynched for it?

I'd appreciate it if someone would read the story itself and give me their opinion on it. I don't think it was so terrible a piece of writing.

Thanks!

xxx
*the bad one*

Her Darling Boy

 

[Boota]

That guy, Anonymous, always leaves those kinds of comments. I wouldn't worry too much about him.

I like your story, disturbing as it may be. Some people have trouble seeing a story like that as only a story and not an endorsement for the behavior in the story. Those people are idiots and you will never please them anyway. It is a very good story.

I have one story that is coming out in an erotic horror anthology around October that is incredibly sick. Only a few have read it, mostly friends of mine, and most of them couldn't finish it. The editor of the anthology dug it, though. I'm waiting to see what kind of reaction the story gets. It's going to be in a book instead of online, so I imagine I won't hear as much about it. Writing and mailing an angry letter takes effort. Calling someone a "sick bitch" online takes nothing.

 

[doormouse]

Hell yeah!!!!

I had to turn comments off on my 'No Turning Back' story!!

I even tamed down the violence for their watery brains but they still said that the violence turned me on... yeah right!!!

It's 'fiction' dick-wads... get over it LOL

Sheesh

I'm going to edit that one... just to please them... I only put in the sex scene to get their sorry dicks off.

LOL

sorry

 

[rgraham666]

Niven's Law: There is a technical, literary term for those who mistake the opinions and beliefs of characters in a novel for those of the authour.

The term is 'idiot'.

 

[Clare Quilty]

The actions of the characters in your story are barbarically heinous. The subject matter itself, however, is perfectly within the bounds of reasonability. The tone of the story was suitably grave and there wasn't a hint of anything luridly voyeuristic or perverse in your writing. The story reflects one of the more unfortunate circumstances of the human condition. Abuse often begets abuse.

The people who would castigate you for delving into the subject of infanticide are likely television-addicted philistines who don't do much serious reading--or thinking for that matter. Wear their frivolous condemnation like a badge of honour.

To the writing itself, I found it an interesting read. It was intelligently written and logically plotted out. The change in point of view caught me by surprize, but I realize that was a deliberate stylistic gambit. The style was uniformly staccato, which may have been your intention. If the sentences were of more varied lengths, then, IMHO, the short choppy ones would enhance the tension and suspense at the pivotal points. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing this story fleshed out into a couple of chapters-- further establishing the characters and the roots of their dysfunction and so forth.

 

[Clare Quilty]

Niven's Law: There is a technical, literary term for those who mistake the opinions and beliefs of characters in a novel for those of the authour.

The term is 'idiot'.

All this time I though Niven's law was

1. Never throw shit at a man with a gun.
2. Never stand next to someone who is throwing shit at a man with a gun.
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[Guest]

All this time I though Niven's law was

1. Never throw shit at a man with a gun.
2. Never stand next to someone who is throwing shit at a man with a gun.
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   Actually I think that was Lazarus Long.

 

[bg23]

Thanks, you guys! you're great at cheering people up.

Boota: Someone ought to boot that pesky Anon dude. Thanks - and will you tell us more about this anthology?
Doormouse: Hee!
Graham: Double Hee!
Claire: Thank you for the advice.

love ya all...

xxx
badgirl

 

[vargas111]

rgraham666 has it right.

I personally would not read the story in question -- I don't like violence, but any "non idiot" to use the technical word, authors who write about fiction about incest, pedophilia, rape, snuf do not usually perform incest, pedophilia, rape, snuf.

Just delet such coments and ignore/forget them.

I guess the exception to the delete and forget rule is if the comment seems to reflect a misreading of the story. (He thinks A killed B when that's not what you think you wrote.) That is worth a second look at the story and (if it were I) a reply pointing out his mistake

 

[Clare Quilty]

Actually I think that was Lazarus Long.

Perhaps Niven ripped off Heinlein or v.v.

Niven's original Laws

1a) Never throw shit at an armed man.
1b) Never stand next to someone who is throwing shit at an armed man.

2) Never fire a laser at a mirror.

3) Mother Nature doesn't care if you're having fun.

4) F x S = k. The product of Freedom and Security is a constant. To gain more freedom of thought and/or action, you must give up some security, and vice versa.

5) Psi and/or magical powers, if real, are nearly useless.

6) It is easier to destroy than create.

7) Any damn fool can predict the past.

8) History never repeats itself.

9) Ethics change with technology.

10) Anarchy is the least stable of social structures. It falls apart at a touch.

11) There is a time and place for tact.

12) The ways of being human are bounded but infinite.

13) The world's dullest subjects, in order:
a) Somebody else's diet.
b) How to make money for a worthy cause.
c) Special Interest Liberation.

14) The only universal message in science fiction: There exist minds that think as well as you do, but differently.
Niven's corollary: The gene-tampered turkey you're talking to isn't necessarily one of them.

15) Fuzzy Pink Niven's Law: Never waste calories.

16) There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.

17) No technique works if it isn't used.

18) Not responsible for advice not taken.

19) Old age is not for sissies.

 

[Katerina Val-Kyrie]

Her Darling Boy

bad_girl23, after reading your post, I simply had to read your story and I'm not sorry I did. Although the content was indeed disturbing, it was an extremely well written account of a highly dysfunctional family. Dysfuctional families do indeed exist, but not all experience the horror this family did.

Your descriptives, your emotional level of writing is phenomenal. You my dear, are an exceptional writer and you should be proud of your accomplishments. I enjoyed the intelligence of your writing more then the content itself. Although it was disturbing and sad to read, I couldn't stop. Your creativeness kept me rivetted until the very end. I gave you a 5! You deserved it.

Hugs Katerina

 

[Boota]

BadGirl23,

The anthology is called Dark Sins and Desires Unveiled. It is currently being edited and I'm expecting to hear more shortly. It's from Underground Publishing and it's a collection of erotic horror stories where the bad guys win.

My story is called "Killfuck". It's about two porn makers who become possessed by evil spirits, and physically and mentally change into monsters. Then they begin to make EXCEPTIONALLY sick snuff films. It's told in first person from one of the monsters POV. The POV character, Tusk, has an 18 inch barbed cock that ejaculates black acid blood.

I'll post on the board when the book is released for any who are interested.

 

[rgraham666]

8) History never repeats itself.

9) Ethics change with technology.

Sure don't agree with these two.

History always repeats. Cultures are born, they grow old and they die. Ours isn't quite at the point where it breaks it's hip if it climbs out of bed, but close.

And in the words of Spider Robinson, "Moral issues never change, only social ones."

 

[Guest]

bg, I read your story and left a PC and vote. I hope you know now how good you are a writer and more than nominally appreciated as such.

keep writing, Perdita

 

[bg23]

You guys are great. Thanks heaps!

MWAH!

 

[snooper]

4) F x S = k. The product of Freedom and Security is a constant. To gain more freedom of thought and/or action, you must give up some security, and vice versa.

Will someone please tell that to David Blunkett?