Shibari/Kinbaku

[JeanCocteau]

I would like very much to meet and discuss Kinbaku with others.

 

[FurryFury]

It sometimes takes some time on this board for the people who are into or have knowledge of what you are interested in to log on and post. I'm sure there are some here who are into Shibari because I've seen other threads on it and on rope work in general.

You could try the library at top of this forum for other threads about these things while you wait for conversation to commence.

The rope demo I saw was amazing. I'd always previously thought of rope work as a means to an end but during the demo I could see it as an ongoing power exchange of it's own. I could also see it as art. That demo was really an eye opener.

Fury

 

[JeanCocteau]

Art Indeed!

In trying to read your post, I clicked on your profile by mistake and instantly loved you words about plunging into things. I'm that way as well. I have to know everything about anything that catches my eye.
As for Kinbaku... It IS the art that first attracted me. There is a deep sense of creation and artistic eroticism. The exchange you mention ir real... ritual, ceremonial almost.
Have you ever seen pictures of poses? Overlays, hair ties, color changes in progressively finer diameter cord.
For me there is the aspect of creating a moment frozen in time.

It sometimes takes some time on this board for the people who are into or have knowledge of what you are interested in to log on and post. I'm sure there are some here who are into Shibari because I've seen other threads on it and on rope work in general.

You could try the library at top of this forum for other threads about these things while you wait for conversation to commence.

The rope demo I saw was amazing. I'd always previously thought of rope work as a means to an end but during the demo I could see it as an ongoing power exchange of it's own. I could also see it as art. That demo was really an eye opener.

Fury

 

[simonpieman]

novice would aspire to nawashi

The visual aspect of shibari is so important to me, as strong as the power relationship (top / bottom). It is, I hope, the next step in the bondage play that my girlfriend has introduced me to (in the real world). She has said that japanese bondage turns her on for its beauty and submission.
My posting to you is prompted by a desire to 'get it right' as I bind her for the first time - I am guessing something simple to begin with, with elegance and gentleness and safety. CAn you tell me where to find instructions on-line? I have seen a simple diagram on a photo stream and also some animated diagrams on a 'bdsm-chicago.com' site, but would appreciate any help.

 

[Netzach]

the bdsm-chicago site has incredibly important safety information in detail, as well as some good tutorials.

You might also try ropefashions.com
the Midori book is wonderful and worth every penny
I find that the best instruction, for me, is always hands-on - going to an event where there are classes is a wonderful way to learn, if you are near anything like that.

 

[myinnerslut]

i dont realy have much to add to this thread, as the only shibari i have ever done was with my roomate for some photo's for Sir. i look foward to following this though

 

[JeanCocteau]

Getting it right

This is just my personal opinion
Shibari here in the West is an off-shoot of Kinbaku-bi in the East and there are some profound differences as to style and intent.
For me, the artistic side is incredibly important. I am thinking 24/7 about patterns (I even play with string). Premeditation will lead to skill through practice. Google Shibari and click away. I've not read Midori's book but do know it to be well respected.
A "first time" for me, is always done with multiple strand nylon... I cut and measure and use it as a template for hemp that I work and whip from scratch. I would never use the same rope on two different uke (bottoms). To me the coils are as personal as a toothbrush.
The Ashley Book of Knots is a thick volume worth considering. Bandage scissors are a must (to allow quick release if needed), as is a copy of Gray's Anatomy to familiarize oneself with nerve points and prevent possible nerve damage.
All of that said... think about what you want to accomplish in a first session and proceed from there. Crotch ties are a good starting point, breast ties, a logical next step.
Is this art alone, is there a Dom/sub focus, is it merely erotic? Kinbaku is a lot like fly fishing it is EVERYTHING (and nothing

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I only knew of most shibari & kinbaku thru Araki's photographs, then in other people's works. I was initially unimpressed, but as I expanded my erotic horizons I came to see the beauty in it and now very much appreciate it as an art. I doubt I'll have the chance to actually do any actual shibari as a practice...the ladies I get with tend to be somewhat vanilla...but as a visual artist I think I'll incorporate it as a theme in future erotic drawings.

 

[Kailey_86]

J and i did some shibari which was a lot of fun. i ended up going out in public with it under my clothes. It makes me very aware of every movement i make, especially if there are nots resting against my clit or anus. Unfortunately i didn't get a chance to see what it looked like. Here is the first site W/we used. It has some easy to follow instructions.

http://www.shibari.info/kata/karada/

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

RJ has this thread that deals in part with the Shibari . Rope is a passion of his . There are several posts pertaining to the topic within.

It's a pity Sawman no longer frequents the Board , he attended some Midori classes last year and was an advocate of such as well.

 

[babiesmiles]

My Master is very experienced and keen on shibari .
And I must say what he tried on me was fantastic !
I am not an expert so I can't add much more but it was simply "perfect " both in regard " feeling" and on an aesthetical side too , that we both appreciate a lot .
I must say I am learning to love it

 

[FurryFury]

In trying to read your post, I clicked on your profile by mistake and instantly loved you words about plunging into things. I'm that way as well. I have to know everything about anything that catches my eye.
As for Kinbaku... It IS the art that first attracted me. There is a deep sense of creation and artistic eroticism. The exchange you mention ir real... ritual, ceremonial almost.
Have you ever seen pictures of poses? Overlays, hair ties, color changes in progressively finer diameter cord.
For me there is the aspect of creating a moment frozen in time.

I'm glad you found something you related to in my profile.

Kinbaku or Shibari is not one of my particular hungers but I do find it beautiful and would not mind being the subject of one who was into it.

I have looked at some pictures and poses. They can be very breathtaking but really the beauty for me in in the power exchange itself when done well. To say I was jealous of the girl that was demo-ed on would be putting it lightly.

Fury

 

[babiesmiles]

Well Fury if I was not that " privacy over compelled " I would post some pics of the shibari we had . I must say it made me ever like myself in those patterns . And I am rather overcritical about myself .

 

[FurryFury]

Well Fury if I was not that " privacy over compelled " I would post some pics of the shibari we had . I must say it made me ever like myself in those patterns . And I am rather overcritical about myself .

I totally understand and respect your need for privacy.

*hug*

I'll bet the rope work and YOU are lovely though.

Fury

 

[babiesmiles]

I totally understand and respect your need for privacy.

*hug*

I'll bet the rope work and YOU are lovely though.

Fury

Thanks Furry *hugs * . And yes ( Master evil smirking at these words ) I must admit even me found myself being nice in ropes

 

[JeanCocteau]

Kaleidoscope

This is part of the enigma of Kinbaku. It is art, and it is a huge exchange... the freedom of a blank canvas, agreement! It is the Tango of rope arts. And as serious as anyone could hope, faceted.
I rarely have the opportunity to converse, this is nice...

I'm glad you found something you related to in my profile.

Kinbaku or Shibari is not one of my particular hungers but I do find it beautiful and would not mind being the subject of one who was into it.

I have looked at some pictures and poses. They can be very breathtaking but really the beauty for me in in the power exchange itself when done well. To say I was jealous of the girl that was demo-ed on would be putting it lightly.

Fury

 

[simonpieman]

Thank you all!

Many thanks, especially to Netzach and JeanCocteau, whose encouraging comments are helpful, and to Kailey86 for the web address, which gave very clear instructions and graphics to illustrate the binding process for shibari.

I'm afraid my g/f and I did rush ahead before I saw any of the advice - because the rope I ordered had arrived in time for Valentine's day (how romantic!) - and we achieved a pretty respectable shibari on her - she has a fantastic slender figure and it looked so beautiful encased in red rope. It felt sensual and erotic to stroke her over the ropes. A wonderful experience which can only get better as we improve our techniques. And yes I do want her to go out wearing it under her clothes!

Thank you all, from a former vanilla who is rapidly acquiring a flavour!

 

[JeanCocteau]

Many thanks, especially to Netzach and JeanCocteau, whose encouraging comments are helpful, and to Kailey86 for the web address, which gave very clear instructions and graphics to illustrate the binding process for shibari.

I'm afraid my g/f and I did rush ahead before I saw any of the advice - because the rope I ordered had arrived in time for Valentine's day (how romantic!) - and we achieved a pretty respectable shibari on her - she has a fantastic slender figure and it looked so beautiful encased in red rope. It felt sensual and erotic to stroke her over the ropes. A wonderful experience which can only get better as we improve our techniques. And yes I do want her to go out wearing it under her clothes!

Thank you all, from a former vanilla who is rapidly acquiring a flavour!

De rien, Simon.

I’d like to share some other thoughts, if I may. Wooden or bamboo poles can be useful. They can be used spreaders (so obvious!)... and as an aid in asymetric upright poses (which are delicious because not only is an uke bound, she is also off balance in a perhaps, awkward position. Being the kind of guy I am, I very much enjoy making my own props. I very much enjoy every premeditated moment of searching for the correct branch or sapling... the time and effort spent becomes a gift to share with a partner.
Coils under clothes...mmmmm! Contact and control that transcend distance and time. What a meaty concept to explore. The use of smaller diameter hemp, cotton, or silk cord to form overlays on patterns is delightful. Rather like creating lingerie for your partner. An imaginative soul might create jewelry with silver wire to attach to an overlay so she feels a tug or pinch and a reminder of your hand and thought when miving in a certain way. A crotch piece may be constructed to hold a divice in place. When she is in public, she wears your caress and it can be a subtle exhibitionist thrill.

 

[FurryFury]

This is part of the enigma of Kinbaku. It is art, and it is a huge exchange... the freedom of a blank canvas, agreement! It is the Tango of rope arts. And as serious as anyone could hope, faceted.
I rarely have the opportunity to converse, this is nice...

I'm glad you are enjoying it. This pretty much concludes what I personally know about such things. I'm glad that now you have many other to talk to about it as well.

Fury

 

[Kailey_86]

Is there a difference between Shibari and Kinbaku or are they the same thing?

 

[JeanCocteau]

What's the diff?

Is there a difference between Shibari and Kinbaku or are they the same thing?

Much of the West is into complicated technique, whereas many in the East focus more on artistry in the lesson or purpose of the session. The multi-dimensional aspect of either thought can be much the same in result. Shibari simply means "to tie or bind", and Kinbaku-bi means "beautiful bondage". Both are valid in their practice.

 

[Kailey_86]

Much of the West is into complicated technique, whereas many in the East focus more on artistry in the lesson or purpose of the session. The multi-dimensional aspect of either thought can be much the same in result. Shibari simply means "to tie or bind", and Kinbaku-bi means "beautiful bondage". Both are valid in their practice.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Very interesting.

 

[southernsky]

oh wow this thread is turning me on beyond belief! I think it's something I've needed for a long time. I guess "hunger for" is a better term.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

... Kinbaku or Shibari is not one of my particular hungers but I do find it beautiful and would not mind being the subject of one who was into it....

*grins evilly* That can be negotiated...

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Hmmmmm....

If I can Photoshop out some faces I might post a pic or three here...