Shells of Human Beings

Ishmael

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As you all are well aware, Rambrat and I have recently found ourselves in the middle of a drama that neither one of us planned, or wanted to participate in. Rambrat bore the brunt of the drama, I was on the periphery.

Many folks started threads about on-line hook ups, LDR's, etc. How do you know if you're being played, how do you know that the person you are talking to is the 'real deal'?

The answer is, "When your heart is in the way, you don't."

I see no real difference between the internet and your local bar, church, whatever. The room is populated with mostly good people, some players (who make no bones about it, so are known commodities, and then there are the scammers and the truly damaged goods.

Most of us see the person that we want to see. Not the person that is the real core of the individual. Allowing someone into the core of you is foriegn to most of us. It's no so much being secretive as it is protecting yourself from harm. It's a natural thing.

Sometimes it's easier to think of people as eggs. There is this shell around us that surrounds what is truly inside. The shell may be easy on the eye. Decorated like an Easter egg, hiding a rotten core. Or it may be plain and unassuming, containing unparalleled freshness and beauty. Some eggs have multiple faces. But how do you know?

The shell is the 'front' that we all put on to the world. It's the way we want others to see us. Some paint their shells with dreams. Trying to show others what they want to be, not what they are. Some have rough shells, others smooth and soft. No matter the texture or decoration, the shell is there. What's behind the shell?

You can't break the shell without damaging the egg. So pounding away doesn't work. And unless the person allows us to see the inside, like candleing the egg, we are left to guess.

For me it's been relatively easy. It's the difference between what you say, and what you do. The outward demonstration of your morals and ethics to me, as opposed the the faces that you show others. Is there a contradiction? If there is, that's a red flag event. Something to be wary of, a reason to observe further. Are the person's actions taken with your best interest at heart? Not theirs, but yours? Could the result of their actions place you in a compromising position? Whose interest are they serving?

What if there's an explanation you ask? Well there's always an explanation. Always. How many explanations are needed? That too is a red flag event. I've seen people bury themselve in 'explanations' and the true believer accepting them all. Why do we put up with that? That's an easy answer. It's because we want to. We still see what we want to see, not what is truly there.

So back to the original question, how do you know? Sometimes you don't until it's too late. Is that a fault? A flaw of character? Not really, not all the time. You see, to be so jaundiced or callused that you always believe the worst in anyone is a shell too. A thick shell made of fear and doubt. A shell that almost garauntees that you'll always be alone. So inorder to love you must risk. And sometimes the risk is rewarded with betrayal or disappointment.

Who am I writing this for? Well, primarily myself. Just a little reminder in words. And for Ram as well, because he wasn't a fool. He was just fooled. And for Tantanah, because she is still lurking here as well, and she does need help. And for anyone else that cares to read.

Ishmael
 
I would add to that a few words on reflection and mirrors.

I think it is a great sign that Rambrat recognised his own openness, and saw it as a strength rather than a vulnerability or flaw. It is when you start to know yourself, know what the truth of the world means to you (and it is different for everyone of us) that you can recognize and appreciate the contradictions between show and truth in others.

Sadly, many people don't know how to tell the difference between their own shell and themselves, between the decoration made from dreams and the patterns that come out naturally from their real, true self. If you can't see that about yourself, it's even harder to see it in someone else.

That doesn't mean that you will start to recognise all truths and all lies as what they are, but it gives you a foundation to fall back on when your intuition raises those red flags. What is your truth, and how do you feel within that truth, is what you have to explore.

Good post Ish.

By the way ... all of this also applies to trolls.

Quack

the D
 
Good afternoon Ish,

i fully agree to your statement and think your egg metaphor tells a lot.

Just because I've found a foul egg once or twice in my lifetime, doesn't mean I quit eating eggs at all. I'm still into eggs, i still like them boiled,scrambled, or baked. An sometimes i just like to look at them decorated for Easter.

The only difference
i don't get hurt when I start talking to those eggs about my very personal stuff. And it never happened one of these eggs just disappeared telling me "I want to be eaten by someone else".

I don't know how much an egg is these days. More than just my 2p I guess.
 
TheDR4KE said:
I would add to that a few words on reflection and mirrors.

I think it is a great sign that Rambrat recognised his own openness, and saw it as a strength rather than a vulnerability or flaw. It is when you start to know yourself, know what the truth of the world means to you (and it is different for everyone of us) that you can recognize and appreciate the contradictions between show and truth in others.

Sadly, many people don't know how to tell the difference between their own shell and themselves, between the decoration made from dreams and the patterns that come out naturally from their real, true self. If you can't see that about yourself, it's even harder to see it in someone else.

That doesn't mean that you will start to recognise all truths and all lies as what they are, but it gives you a foundation to fall back on when your intuition raises those red flags. What is your truth, and how do you feel within that truth, is what you have to explore.

Good post Ish.

By the way ... all of this also applies to trolls.

Quack

the D

I didn't forget the trolls Drake. ;)

Ishmael
 
Good thoughts, Ishmael. Sometimes the best we can do is accept that we won't always see things accurately and live on. Hopefully with shells that give when it's time to grow as well as protect us.
 
Rex1960 said:
Good afternoon Ish,

i fully agree to your statement and think your egg metaphor tells a lot.

Just because I've found a foul egg once or twice in my lifetime, doesn't mean I quit eating eggs at all. I'm still into eggs, i still like them boiled,scrambled, or baked. An sometimes i just like to look at them decorated for Easter.

The only difference
i don't get hurt when I start talking to those eggs about my very personal stuff. And it never happened one of these eggs just disappeared telling me "I want to be eaten by someone else".

I don't know how much an egg is these days. More than just my 2p I guess.

That's about it Rex.

It's funny that in most cases that fancier the decoration, the more likely the egg is to be spoiled. I'm not talking about 'looks', I'm talking about the aura that the egg tries to surround itself with.

Ishmael
 
Unregistered said:
no one cares about you Rex

Do you think they search for threads with the word "troll" in them, or is this one a Rex special troll? :)


Quack

the D


PS Unregistered, I've tried to send you a PM but your box is full...
 
At one time, the demographics of the Internet were different than a singles bar.

Now they are virtually the same.

A singles masquerade bar. Plenty of mystery and chances to fool and be fooled. Caveat emptor.

Here's a helpful link to read some basics about common cyber behavior :

http://www.rider.edu/users/suler/psycyber/psycyber.html

If a woman stands me up or stiffs me with lies, I generally say little or nothing about it.

To do so changes nothing, reflects poorly on me as a man and fails to recognize in a mature way that the game of love sometimes results in injury, just like any contact sport.

Lance
 
weed said:
Good thoughts, Ishmael. Sometimes the best we can do is accept that we won't always see things accurately and live on. Hopefully with shells that give when it's time to grow as well as protect us.

Do we ever leave ourselves unprotected weed?

Ishmael
 
Yes as with all interactions, the real person is difficult to find, especially online. There is no eye contact that might tell stories. There is no facial expression giving away what may/may not be lurking behind the facade.

It is a test of character to stand and be yourself always and evermore, but holding your cards close to the vest in case you get fooled.

I have been fooled here a few times, no bad deal, because I normally expect the worst case scenarios. If they don't happen then all the better, if they do I'm prepared!
 
Lancecastor said:


If a woman stands me up or stiffs me with lies, I generally say little or nothing about it.

To do so changes nothing, reflects poorly on me as a man and fails to recognize in a mature way that the game of love sometimes results in injury, just like any contact sport.

Lance


A post like this almost convinces me that you have a soul.
 
Ishmael said:
That's about it Rex.

It's funny that in most cases that fancier the decoration, the more likely the egg is to be spoiled. I'm not talking about 'looks', I'm talking about the aura that the egg tries to surround itself with.

Ishmael

Ok - i got that

And the aura is either seen "wow" or "leave me alone" in your/my POV.
So i'd like to think it's up to me/you to take a closer look behind that aura without banning eggs in general. I wouldn't blame it on the egg alone in this world of advertising and marketing. It's the egg's purpose in itself to build up an image/aura in order to survive and succeed in a competitive and sometimes hostile environment. I only blame it on the egg if "no matter how / no matter who's going to be hurt" comes along.
 
Ishmael said:
Do we ever leave ourselves unprotected weed?

Ishmael

Our shields may be kept handy but they can slip. I know I've let myself become vulnerable, despite any red flags.

I think I got lucky and escaped too much damage. At least that's what I like to believe.

I also like to think knowing how I've made myself vulnerable will help protect the tenderest of my parts from hurt should my risks ever come fact.

But one never really knows until something happens.
 
bknight2602 said:
Yes as with all interactions, the real person is difficult to find, especially online. There is no eye contact that might tell stories. There is no facial expression giving away what may/may not be lurking behind the facade.

It is a test of character to stand and be yourself always and evermore, but holding your cards close to the vest in case you get fooled.

I have been fooled here a few times, no bad deal, because I normally expect the worst case scenarios. If they don't happen then all the better, if they do I'm prepared!

Well bk, I hear you. But I've been fooled as often IRL as on-line. Actually less so on-line. You see, some believe so strongly that the shell they show are the 'real' them that they fool the observer as well. All of the outwards signs are right. The eye contact, the smile, the body language. It's all there and it's all so right.

I had the advantage of meeting Tantanah IRL, and I was fooled as well. But this isn't about her, not specifically.

Only when you compare the shell to the actions, the 'what you say, to what you do' that you begin to get a glimpse. And even that may be layered as well.

No one said it was easy.

Ishmael
 
I agree with Ish.

We can be so blinded by those who have the ability to become whatever we want them to be. It isn't difficult to piece together enough information about an individual from their post history to launch a strike.

I try to give insight to the real me. This is why I am not embarrassed to fall on my face publicly. Here I am...this is me with all my flaws.

For shame that someone would set out to hurt another....especially someone who has never harmed anyone.
 
I think it's a bit easier to view online friends & lovers with blinders on than it is offline friends & lovers. If you're together at a restaurant, then you'll get to smell the aroma of the person's cologne or perfume, you'll get to hear the sound of their voice and notice how the inflections change with their emotions, etc.

Online, you get some of the same experiences, but they're more limited and obviously different.

As common as online relationships and online-to-offline long-term relationships are, I wonder if the taboo of it will ever go away.
 
weed said:


But one never really knows until something happens.

Isn't experience a wonderful thing? It allows us to recognize a mistake when we make it again. :) And hindsight is always 20/20.

Ishmael
 
Lancecastor said:
At one time, the demographics of the Internet were different than a singles bar.

Now they are virtually the same.

A singles masquerade bar. Plenty of mystery and chances to fool and be fooled. Caveat emptor.

Here's a helpful link to read some basics about common cyber behavior :

http://www.rider.edu/users/suler/psycyber/psycyber.html

If a woman stands me up or stiffs me with lies, I generally say little or nothing about it.

To do so changes nothing, reflects poorly on me as a man and fails to recognize in a mature way that the game of love sometimes results in injury, just like any contact sport.

Lance

Ahhh ... but not just for a man.

My first online to real time relationship was a disaster. The guy lied. About everything about himself. Including his age. Turned out he was a habitual liar and is still doing it last I heard. After meeting him and having my life turned into a nightmare ( I am still paying off the $950 phone bill he ran up on me ) when it was all over and done, I went my way and tried to put my life back to normal. He hounded me all over the chat site we visited. I finally had to change my nick to get any peace.

After he found someone new, I kept my tongue, I did not harass him nor his new victim. When things turned sour for her and him, I caught flack for " Not warning her " about him when I knew how he was.

But I looked at it this way... She would probably not have listened to me, and I would have become involved in something I was better staying out of.

Nothing I could have done would have been the right thing to do according to people we knew. So I did the right thing by me. I freely admitted what happened, how I was taken in by his lies. I had no reason to hide it, everyone already knew what happened basically.

I was not the first he had done it to.

But involving myself in fighting with him, name calling, tattle tailing blah, blah, blah.... would only have painted a nasty picture of me.

It is never easy to admit you were fooled by someone you develop a deep emotion for. It still stings to this day to know I was a fool.

But once burned, twice cautious. I still believe and have friendships with people on the net. I am just a lot more careful now.
 
Rambrat said:
I agree with Ish.

We can be so blinded by those who have the ability to become whatever we want them to be. It isn't difficult to piece together enough information about an individual from their post history to launch a strike.

I try to give insight to the real me. This is why I am not embarrassed to fall on my face publicly. Here I am...this is me with all my flaws.

For shame that someone would set out to hurt another....especially someone who has never harmed anyone.

Good morning Ram.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
Actually less so on-line. You see, some believe so strongly that the shell they show are the 'real' them that they fool the observer as well.

No one said it was easy.

Ishmael

My experience is different, I have been fooled very few times IRL. I guess it may be a gift/curse to talk to anyone and know the person inside. That is why I referenced eyes, facial expressions etc. To me they are a dead give away.

No one said it is easy? Understatement of the year, of course not when dealing with the multitude of personalities and quirks of those around us. Just know this when dealing with people and you're way ahead of the game.

I wasn't referring to Tantanah either, she joins those that in need of some psychiatric attention, no more no less.
 
Ishmael said:
Well bk, I hear you. But I've been fooled as often IRL as on-line. Actually less so on-line. You see, some believe so strongly that the shell they show are the 'real' them that they fool the observer as well. All of the outwards signs are right. The eye contact, the smile, the body language. It's all there and it's all so right.

I had the advantage of meeting Tantanah IRL, and I was fooled as well. But this isn't about her, not specifically.

Only when you compare the shell to the actions, the 'what you say, to what you do' that you begin to get a glimpse. And even that may be layered as well.

No one said it was easy.

Ishmael

No prob at all.

Being fooled only occurs when the relationship is over. Here and in RL. It even happens in LTRs. Like when you think "how could i ever fell in love with this person ? How come I haven't seen this or that attitude ? Why did I marry her/him ?"

In retrospective it's so easy to say "I should have seen it earlier. I must have been blind." But while the relationship started or developed you didn't have the chance to look behind the image the other one builded ON PURPOSE. At least you have to admit he/she was a great actor/actress. Nothing more but nothing less.
 
Ishmael said:
Well bk, I hear you. But I've been fooled as often IRL as on-line. Actually less so on-line. You see, some believe so strongly that the shell they show are the 'real' them that they fool the observer as well. All of the outwards signs are right. The eye contact, the smile, the body language. It's all there and it's all so right.

I had the advantage of meeting Tantanah IRL, and I was fooled as well. But this isn't about her, not specifically.

Only when you compare the shell to the actions, the 'what you say, to what you do' that you begin to get a glimpse. And even that may be layered as well.

No one said it was easy.

Ishmael

So very, very true, I know from experience. The smile was dazzling, the eyes so beautiful......matching up with everything I had fantasized about. Unfortunately there was no candle to show through the shell.....I think the shell was empty.

Great thread!!
 
Rambrat said:
I agree with Ish.

We can be so blinded by those who have the ability to become whatever we want them to be. It isn't difficult to piece together enough information about an individual from their post history to launch a strike.

I try to give insight to the real me. This is why I am not embarrassed to fall on my face publicly. Here I am...this is me with all my flaws.

For shame that someone would set out to hurt another....especially someone who has never harmed anyone.

Man, you have all my respect for being just the way you are. Keep it.
 
plasticman33 said:
So very, very true, I know from experience. The smile was dazzling, the eyes so beautiful......matching up with everything I had fantasized about. Unfortunately there was no candle to show through the shell.....I think the shell was empty.

Great thread!!

We all made our very own experiences.


I'd like to add, that even if you'd had that candle you wouldn't have seen anything. Just no chance sometimes.
 
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