"She fucked him"?

[PuckIt]

Okay, I am officially an old fart. Apparently I don't even know how to fuck properly anymore. In the literary sense, not the literal.

Back in my day (smacks gums) when a writer wrote something like "she fucked him with wild abandon", everybody just knew what that meant. The gal climbed on top of him, slipped his willie up her sleeve, and commenced to bouncing up and down on it while yelling "yeehaw!" (IF she's really kinky, she didn't take her spurs off first.)

But, I just got a message that it sounded like the gal was going to strap on a fake dick and cram it up his ass and the reader felt cheated when they realized that wasn't what was happening.

Okay, first

Second, really? That's what just leaps to youngsters minds these days when they read that phrase without anything else to go on? So, how the hell am I supposed to say it now? I'm guessing "she mounted him" wouldn't work any better.

 

[Hypoxia]

Times change. At least she didn't use a wine bottle.

 

[Riley69]

Old timers assemble!

"She fucked him". Seems pretty straight-forward. Well, "straight" might not be the way to put it in today's world! I can remember the days when, "she fucked him" got the message across with no problems. In today's world, it seems the devil is in the details. Or maybe the lack thereof?

Today, it seems like anything and everything goes. And by "everything" I guess I mean "anything AND everything AND all the other things we haven't thought of yet". The old days were simpler, and therefore easier to write about. Years ago, I taught computer classes for adults and I used to tell them, "pretend there is a Munchkin in your computer, and you have to tell it EVERYTHING. It can't think for itself. If you want it to do something for you, you have to give it DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS from start to finish without fail, every time." I've found that advice to be similar for writing in today's world! If you want the reader to know what you are talking about, you have to give the reader detailed instructions from start to finish without fail, every time.

Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong. (Apologies to Dennis Miller for stealing his line.)

 

[NotWise]

But, I just got a message that it sounded like the gal was going to strap on a fake dick and cram it up his ass and the reader felt cheated when they realized that wasn't what was happening.

You can look up "pegging."

I have no idea why she would expect that. Maybe you led her on. Or maybe she wants you to support her ambitions, or maybe she's a he with convoluted gay fantasies. The possibilities are endless, and they totally include the possibility that she thought it was funny and was joking with you.

God only knows, and you know He reads all this.

 

[PuckIt]

You can look up "pegging."

I have no idea why she would expect that. Maybe you led her on. Or maybe she wants you to support her ambitions, or maybe she's a he with convoluted gay fantasies. The possibilities are endless, and they totally include the possibility that she thought it was funny and was joking with you.

God only knows, and you know He reads all this.

Oh, is THAT what that means?

I didn't know. I kept picturing Long John Silver calling Jim over to give him the bad news.

 

[CyranoJ]

If you're writing erotic fiction, first of all, yes it should occur to you that there more possibilities than the various heterosexual options for "they fucked." You would have to be living in a cave or a Westboro Baptist Church to think otherwise by this point.

It may point to a bigger issue, though. In "erotic" fiction, arguably, your reader should have more detail or context to work with than "they fucked." If there were enough cues to work from leading up to the action at the very least, you shouldn't be getting questions about what "they fucked" exactly means. If your heroine is about to peg the hero, or the hero is about to give the heroine a good, solid shafting, this should (one thinks) be established already.

 

[SamScribble]

It may point to a bigger issue, though. In "erotic" fiction, arguably, your reader should have more detail or context to work with than "they fucked." If there were enough cues to work from leading up to the action at the very least, you shouldn't be getting questions about what "they fucked" exactly means. If your heroine is about to peg the hero, or the hero is about to give the heroine a good, solid shafting, this should (one thinks) be established already.

Cyrano has a point. If you are happy to write for the readers who 'get' your stuff, then full steam ahead. But if you want the others as well, then a little more build-up, a little more explanation seems to be required. Personally, I'm happy with the select few.

 

[Hypoxia]

Cyrano has a point. If you are happy to write for the readers who 'get' your stuff, then full steam ahead. But if you want the others as well, then a little more build-up, a little more explanation seems to be required. Personally, I'm happy with the select few.

A couple if times, I have used a quasi-poetic construction I snagged from an old underground comix piece: "And they did lie together. And they did fuck. And she did scream. And he did roar. And they did fuck again, and again, and again." There, I aim not for arousal, but for scene setting, a backdrop for prior and later events. It's just a device to stitch into the tale.

To otherwise use "they fucked" or "she fucked him" I would add necessary kinky details. "She greased-up the wine bottle and wow, she fucked him thoroughly!" Gotta add the right flavor there.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Linguistic drift I call it.

Its a harbinger of culture death. Before cultures collapse their standards go to hell.

 

[sbrooks103x]

Okay, I am officially an old fart. Apparently I don't even know how to fuck properly anymore. In the literary sense, not the literal.

Back in my day (smacks gums) when a writer wrote something like "she fucked him with wild abandon", everybody just knew what that meant. The gal climbed on top of him, slipped his willie up her sleeve, and commenced to bouncing up and down on it while yelling "yeehaw!" (IF she's really kinky, she didn't take her spurs off first.)

But, I just got a message that it sounded like the gal was going to strap on a fake dick and cram it up his ass and the reader felt cheated when they realized that wasn't what was happening.

Okay, first

Second, really? That's what just leaps to youngsters minds these days when they read that phrase without anything else to go on? So, how the hell am I supposed to say it now? I'm guessing "she mounted him" wouldn't work any better.

No, I'm with you. If John and Sally are having intercourse, you can say, "John and Sally fucked," or "John fucked Sally," or "Sally fucked John." IMHO. to fuck means simply to have intercourse, who instigates the act, who is on top or who is inserting what into whom doesn't matter.

 

[jomar]

Also, this is Lit...readers skip the plot/character development to get to sexy bits so they want many words describing the getting off.

 

[J_R_Ashunwhy]

Okay, I am officially an old fart. Apparently I don't even know how to fuck properly anymore. In the literary sense, not the literal.

Back in my day (smacks gums) when a writer wrote something like "she fucked him with wild abandon", everybody just knew what that meant. The gal climbed on top of him, slipped his willie up her sleeve, and commenced to bouncing up and down on it while yelling "yeehaw!" (IF she's really kinky, she didn't take her spurs off first.)

But, I just got a message that it sounded like the gal was going to strap on a fake dick and cram it up his ass and the reader felt cheated when they realized that wasn't what was happening.

Okay, first

Second, really? That's what just leaps to youngsters minds these days when they read that phrase without anything else to go on? So, how the hell am I supposed to say it now? I'm guessing "she mounted him" wouldn't work any better.

If you're addressing a comment from your story "A First Timer's Tale" then you really should have a better look at the description line that you used: 'The awkward "corruption" of a man by a woman.'
While that might not scream pegging to you, it might sound like a tongue-in-cheek *hint, hint, nod, wink* to those who may enjoy it. One really should not be so quick to kink shame if they don't understand the kink.

Either you're trying to troll the forum now with your 'ol timey bit, or you've unknowingly trolled yourself. Regardless, welcome to Lit, and may I suggest visiting the Fetish Forum to continue your education as you step forth from your tiny bubble.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

When I was young I worked for a company that was an early partner in the development of the internet, or arpanet as it was still called back then. (I've seen a working IMP with my own eyes.) It's given me an interesting perspective on the development of sexuality as an online activity. Even the days of arpanet had some sexual content, and of course it all exploded when the net went commercial.

So as I've watched, online sex changed radically. My guess is that anime had influence, but part of it was simply that the internet became a way for people with, um, unusual interests to find each other, congregate, and campaign, accidentally or intentionally, for acceptance. I'm not talking about the stuff that's widely accepted now, like homosexuality. (The early net was always fairly gay friendly, in part because some of the heroes of computer science have been gay and in part because on arpanet and usenet, hate and flaming were better managed and kept to a minimum.) I'm talking about stuff that would have been incomprehensible or shut down on the early internet - fascination with futas, headless sex, the rarely discussed but still prevalent online communities dedicated to pedophilia and sadism.

I'm well out of any sort of online roleplay these days, so my viewpoint is becoming dated. But even a few years ago, when I stumbled onto a small community of roleplayer attached to a very small and unremarkable casino site, I was freaked out by two things - one, it was a community mixing underage and young but of age members, and two, a lot of the roleplay involved futanari, variations like gender-fluid characters capable of growing dicks at need, rape and magical tricks like cutting off a character's head (harmlessly) so it could be forced to watch the body used in various ways for sex, and some stuff I'd consider worse. Bestiality was represented but uncommon. Normal gay sex was largely too boring to roleplay, but inevitably some guys did a little with lesbian characters. I wasn't there long but I don't think I saw any straight sex between humans being roleplayed. I didn't see pedophilia; the implication was it was it was avoided because no one wanted the site shut down. Most players there (as everywhere) were male, but not all of them.

I left in a hurry, after unsuccessfully trying to get the bestiality-freak to stop roleplaying with underage people. All that accomplished was that people started talking his side.

So... yeah. I don't know enough to know if that's now a typical roleplay community for teens, but I can report that sex definitely isn't what it was when I was a young netter. It freaks me the hell out, and if you have kids, any of you, in the 10-17 range, get in their faces about online activity because there's shit out there you don't want them involved in.

 

[sbrooks103x]

If you're writing erotic fiction, first of all, yes it should occur to you that there more possibilities than the various heterosexual options for "they fucked." You would have to be living in a cave or a Westboro Baptist Church to think otherwise by this point.

It may point to a bigger issue, though. In "erotic" fiction, arguably, your reader should have more detail or context to work with than "they fucked." If there were enough cues to work from leading up to the action at the very least, you shouldn't be getting questions about what "they fucked" exactly means. If your heroine is about to peg the hero, or the hero is about to give the heroine a good, solid shafting, this should (one thinks) be established already.

Presumably, if we're not talking about intercourse, there would have been SOMETHING about her putting on a strap-on or something, and/or a mention of lube or lack thereof!

 

[sr71plt]

Sometimes vids include the receiver using the "I fucked him" language and I have a little pause on that. I have more of a pause when I'm finding myself writing it. Sometimes I then avoid it when I really did want to depict the receiver as taking the initiative. I don't really deal much with strap-ons, so that image doesn't come to mind much. I would like for readers to be comfortable with the image showing who is taking the initiative.

 

[PuckIt]

If you're addressing a comment from your story "A First Timer's Tale" then you really should have a better look at the description line that you used: 'The awkward "corruption" of a man by a woman.'
While that might not scream pegging to you, it might sound like a tongue-in-cheek *hint, hint, nod, wink* to those who may enjoy it. One really should not be so quick to kink shame if they don't understand the kink.

Either you're trying to troll the forum now with your 'ol timey bit, or you've unknowingly trolled yourself. Regardless, welcome to Lit, and may I suggest visiting the Fetish Forum to continue your education as you step forth from your tiny bubble.

Oh, no no no no. It seriously was not my intent to shame anybody for anything. I mean I knew that some men enjoy having a strap on used on them, I just never connected the label "pegging" with it. It made sense once Not_Wise connected the dots. I've been around long enough that I'm not about to criticize anyone for finding some joy wherever they can, so long as it's consensual.

As for my original statement, I stand by it. I really was puzzled just how that automatic leap was made. And why I was getting lambasted for not following through on something I didn't think I'd even hinted at. I would have thought if it was my intent to go down that particular road, I would have at least had her strap something on, or reveal it when she removed her pants or something. It didn't dawn on me the description might have been at fault.

As for how tiny my bubble may or may not be... I really couldn't say compared to others, since I daily find out about something else I didn't know about. But, my bubble is definitely larger than it was thirty years ago at the time of that tale.

Edit: (as everyone interested will see if I can ever get "Bring a Friend" done and submitted. )

 

[jehoram]

When I hear or use the phrase "she fucked him," I take it to mean that they fucked in more or less the normal way, but that she took the initiative in getting the ball rolling. No props implied.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

PuckIt.

You are right. There's too many kids these days who think they are know-it-alls - and I meant to say 'think' they are.

Because anyone with any really broad and serious experience of fucking, knows that people fuck in many different ways, with COMPLETELY AND RADICALLY different styles and techniques and above all (and don't they hate it when I say this) different real physical abilities too.

And I'm not going to go into it that much. Because hands up who has seen a woman with sufficient control over her clitoral hood to make it actually do the 'licking' with positive action? And don't lie that you have when you haven't. These girls/women are rare but not unknown by any means.

And we can quickly gloss over the famous 'little handshake' inside, after he cums. Because that's pedestrian. Cute, but not advanced.

Yeah - some fool thinks 'she fucked him means she put on a strap-on and penetrated him.'

Why didn't she just turn him over, open his asshole up, trib him hard and power-piss hot piss into him? What's the absolute necessity of a strap-on being inevitably present? It might be, it might not be.

You're right.

 

[49greg]

On the other hand, when my ex fucked me, it was through the lawyer she used when she divorced me.

 

[sbrooks103x]

Oh, no no no no. It seriously was not my intent to shame anybody for anything. I mean I knew that some men enjoy having a strap on used on them, I just never connected the label "pegging" with it. It made sense once Not_Wise connected the dots. I've been around long enough that I'm not about to criticize anyone for finding some joy wherever they can, so long as it's consensual.

As for my original statement, I stand by it. I really was puzzled just how that automatic leap was made. And why I was getting lambasted for not following through on something I didn't think I'd even hinted at. I would have thought if it was my intent to go down that particular road, I would have at least had her strap something on, or reveal it when she removed her pants or something. It didn't dawn on me the description might have been at fault.

As for how tiny my bubble may or may not be... I really couldn't say compared to others, since I daily find out about something else I didn't know about. But, my bubble is definitely larger than it was thirty years ago at the time of that tale.

Edit: (as everyone interested will see if I can ever get "Bring a Friend" done and submitted. )

Once again, I'm with you. If I'm in "Romance," and the couple have a romantic dinner, then go back to her apartment and she "fucks his brains out," I visualize more or less normal intercourse, NOT the woman using an object in the man's ass! Now, if the story is a FemDom story it might be different, but even then I would expect to read, "She put on her strap-on," or "I had felt something hard when we were dancing, and when she got undressed I saw her strap-on pointing right at me," before I read, "She fucked my brains out!"

 

[PuckIt]

On the other hand, when my ex fucked me, it was through the lawyer she used when she divorced me.

Love is like a West Texas Tornado. At first, there's a lot of sucking and blowing and then you lose your house.

 

[crimson_hellion]

Could the main issue be that the reader didn't think women could "fuck" someone but only "be fucked" by someone?

I'm sorry but that's just stupid and to me is linked to the overabundance and the style of porn we see blossoming. If he has never met or seen a woman that could fuck someone without putting on a strap-on I pity him.

In other words: The phrase "X fucks Y" implies that X is the active, dominant side as opposed to "X and Y fucked" or X got fucked by Y".

 

[Hypoxia]

Love is like a West Texas Tornado. At first, there's a lot of sucking and blowing and then you lose your house.

"Ah feel lahk ah been et by a ky-ote an' shit off a cliff." 'Bout the same, hey?

 

[someoneyouknow]

The old days were simpler, and therefore easier to write about. Years ago, I taught computer classes for adults and I used to tell them, "pretend there is a Munchkin in your computer, and you have to tell it EVERYTHING. It can't think for itself. If you want it to do something for you, you have to give it DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS from start to finish without fail, every time."

That has not changed and if anything, is even more important today since the vast majority of people, in general, seem incapable of understanding basic concepts. Complete lack of common sense or ability to think through problems. What you said is exactly the way I right my documentation. If you follow my steps and don't get the expected results, you didn't follow my steps.

Back on topic, I can see, somewhat, what the commenter was getting at, but it has to be taken in context. If you gave no indication she had a strap-on, or toy, or wine bottle, or anything else, it appears the reader jumped to a wrong conclusion based on their own perceptions.

That is unavoidable and not something you can account for every time. However, now that this has been brought to your attention, you can try to ameliorate this in future writings by doing what you said above. Be specific.