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I asked him the same question, but he never answered me. Don't bust his chops, though, he's probably read something about Libs.
and found himself agreeing with a lot of it. He just hasn't come to terms with it yet.
How's that for being presumptious?
and found himself agreeing with a lot of it. He just hasn't come to terms with it yet.
How's that for being presumptious?
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are you saying he is a closet libertarian or is repressing his libertarianness?
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Naahhhh. He's from Yew Nork. Librarians speak in hushed tones.
Naahhhh. He's from Yew Nork. Librarians speak in hushed tones.
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Maybe he's a fucking Communist.
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Her name was Eileen Wright.
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Okay -
I appreciate the attention, folks, really. A disclaimer: I'm trying to drink much less coffee, and am stupid as hell today.
If we were designing a governmental system from the top down/bottom up, you'd find me more in agreement with anti-statist logic. But I've lived long enough to see money & power distort all logic, whenever. Reagan's tax "reform" of 1985 was allegedly intended to simplify things, but all that happened was that the few breaks corporations and rich folks lost were reinstated within a couple of years, while I lost a bunch of useful ones that never returned. The same goes with farm subsidies: When Washington gets excited about cutting them, the rich farmers wind up keeping theirs. So how am I supposed to get honestly excited about cutting government? The cuts never take place on a level field, ar anything approximating it. Look at the way we subsidize sugar, for no reason but greed. Ethanol. All those military bases in those oh-so-conservative states.
Yeah, I'm tired. I think it's all pretty hopeless. And so I try to keep an oar out for little people, which makes me a leftie....
But I oppose the prison industry with great vehemence. I oppose the drug war. I oppose the culture that encourages people to jump off a rock, and then if they're injured they blame the people who owned the rock. I've always considered myself a feminist, but I definitely oppose the so-called "nanny culture," by which no one is responsible for themselves. I don't think guns should be confiscated, but (there he goes, commie bastard) I do think they shouild be registered, like I register my damned car. I don't oppose hunting - these people deal with what they kill. I oppose ever stricter drunk driving laws. I Love seatbelts, threw a friend out of my car in college because he wouldn't wear on when I was pretty fucked up, but that's my choice; I choke when I see a woman being dragged off to prison for not wearing a seatbelt. I favor CHOICE, big time. I favor no religion above any others. I am an absolutist for the First Amendment, give money to the ACLU so Nazis can march on my corner. I hate that they raised the drinking ages. I hate that they enforce them. I hate the way my mayor tries to close all the nightclubs, closes bars because 3 or more people were seen dancing to a jukebox (no cabaret license). I hate the way we always have to choose between corporate domination or government domination, and I guess I feel that I can trust the govenment more, since I can't own stock in every business.
I hate New Jersey, where their answer to kids using squirt guns (and being shot at by real guntoters a few years ago) was to ban the squirt guns. They pass a law for anything, any time, as if it helps, like doctors giving out useless prescriptions. I can't babble any more. Most things make me ill these days.
Shoot me.
I appreciate the attention, folks, really. A disclaimer: I'm trying to drink much less coffee, and am stupid as hell today.
If we were designing a governmental system from the top down/bottom up, you'd find me more in agreement with anti-statist logic. But I've lived long enough to see money & power distort all logic, whenever. Reagan's tax "reform" of 1985 was allegedly intended to simplify things, but all that happened was that the few breaks corporations and rich folks lost were reinstated within a couple of years, while I lost a bunch of useful ones that never returned. The same goes with farm subsidies: When Washington gets excited about cutting them, the rich farmers wind up keeping theirs. So how am I supposed to get honestly excited about cutting government? The cuts never take place on a level field, ar anything approximating it. Look at the way we subsidize sugar, for no reason but greed. Ethanol. All those military bases in those oh-so-conservative states.
Yeah, I'm tired. I think it's all pretty hopeless. And so I try to keep an oar out for little people, which makes me a leftie....
But I oppose the prison industry with great vehemence. I oppose the drug war. I oppose the culture that encourages people to jump off a rock, and then if they're injured they blame the people who owned the rock. I've always considered myself a feminist, but I definitely oppose the so-called "nanny culture," by which no one is responsible for themselves. I don't think guns should be confiscated, but (there he goes, commie bastard) I do think they shouild be registered, like I register my damned car. I don't oppose hunting - these people deal with what they kill. I oppose ever stricter drunk driving laws. I Love seatbelts, threw a friend out of my car in college because he wouldn't wear on when I was pretty fucked up, but that's my choice; I choke when I see a woman being dragged off to prison for not wearing a seatbelt. I favor CHOICE, big time. I favor no religion above any others. I am an absolutist for the First Amendment, give money to the ACLU so Nazis can march on my corner. I hate that they raised the drinking ages. I hate that they enforce them. I hate the way my mayor tries to close all the nightclubs, closes bars because 3 or more people were seen dancing to a jukebox (no cabaret license). I hate the way we always have to choose between corporate domination or government domination, and I guess I feel that I can trust the govenment more, since I can't own stock in every business.
I hate New Jersey, where their answer to kids using squirt guns (and being shot at by real guntoters a few years ago) was to ban the squirt guns. They pass a law for anything, any time, as if it helps, like doctors giving out useless prescriptions. I can't babble any more. Most things make me ill these days.
Shoot me.
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"All Communists fucked except Lenin"
Joseph Stalin "On the Quasi-Divinity of Lenin"
from Pravda, Sept 9, 1938
Joseph Stalin "On the Quasi-Divinity of Lenin"
from Pravda, Sept 9, 1938
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Oh yeah, I read ATLAS SHRUGGED in 36 hours when I was 14, including a stint at my office job and one Knights of Columbus dance where I snuck a few drinks and made out with a cutie. That should qualify me as a librarian.
Oh yeah, I read ATLAS SHRUGGED in 36 hours when I was 14, including a stint at my office job and one Knights of Columbus dance where I snuck a few drinks and made out with a cutie. That should qualify me as a librarian.
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And the congregation said "Hell yeah!"
My brother would have died if he had worn a seat belt in his accident....roof smashed in over drivers side and pushed him down into passenger side....would have died if held in by belt....although I wear mine religiously
above was shadow...cookie monster got him
My brother would have died if he had worn a seat belt in his accident....roof smashed in over drivers side and pushed him down into passenger side....would have died if held in by belt....although I wear mine religiously
above was shadow...cookie monster got him
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Only the Shadow knows.
I like him too much to pick apart some of his statements. Besides, he's from Yew Nork, and if he's bigger than me he will open up a can of whup ass.
I like him too much to pick apart some of his statements. Besides, he's from Yew Nork, and if he's bigger than me he will open up a can of whup ass.
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That was me -
Told you I'm stupid today, plus that thing timed out, as usual. I think it happens with those very long messages....
Told you I'm stupid today, plus that thing timed out, as usual. I think it happens with those very long messages....
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so you would agree with Harry Browne (your 2000 candidate for president) on reducing the federal government down to constitutional functions? .
Reduce budget from $1.5 trillion to $385 billion
If we shrink our government from its current yearly budget of $1.5 trillion down to just its constitutional functions, we could get by with a budget of only $100 billion a year plus the interest that has to be paid on the national debt (about $285 billion in 1995).
Does $100 billion seem to little? Consider this: In 1950, the total budget of the federal government, excluding interest, was only $241 billion (inflation-adjusted). In 1950 there were no Departments of Education, Energy, Housing, or Health & Human Services, no EPA, no War on Drugs, no National Endowment for the Arts, and no Equal Opportunity Commission. There were very few of the thousands of federal programs that today regulate our lives and monitor our every activity-and cost so much.
Source: Why Government Doesn’t Work, by Harry Browne, p.173 Jul 2, 1995
Reduce budget from $1.5 trillion to $385 billion
If we shrink our government from its current yearly budget of $1.5 trillion down to just its constitutional functions, we could get by with a budget of only $100 billion a year plus the interest that has to be paid on the national debt (about $285 billion in 1995).
Does $100 billion seem to little? Consider this: In 1950, the total budget of the federal government, excluding interest, was only $241 billion (inflation-adjusted). In 1950 there were no Departments of Education, Energy, Housing, or Health & Human Services, no EPA, no War on Drugs, no National Endowment for the Arts, and no Equal Opportunity Commission. There were very few of the thousands of federal programs that today regulate our lives and monitor our every activity-and cost so much.
Source: Why Government Doesn’t Work, by Harry Browne, p.173 Jul 2, 1995
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Was it ever. All there was to worry about was polio, North Korea,China, Russia, and if any of them commie bastards were going to drop the big one on us.
Yesiree, those were the days.
Was it ever. All there was to worry about was polio, North Korea,China, Russia, and if any of them commie bastards were going to drop the big one on us.
Yesiree, those were the days.
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Oh yeah - WACO & Ruby Ridge
I have to add how sick I felt when I watched the WACO movie and saw all the judiciary representatives. The ones who made so much sense during the Clinton impeachment were hell bent on harassing the surviving Davidians and their sympathizers, making any excuse possible for the FBI and ATF, while all of the reps who seemed like thunk neangertahls during the Clinton biz were rendering spiffy arguments in favor of personal freedom. More barf when none of them actually did anything.... yeah, I voted for Sen. Schumer, and then I watch his FBI-loving ways (and I think: D'Amato loved 'em too, though Schumer's smarter and can help them more.
I oppose all of the privacy invading technologies that are spying on us as we type, or which will as soon as the government gets it set up. And if it's not the government, corporations will do it.
Essentially, I feel no more free than you guys do. But I think you have more money. No, that's little consolation, I realize.
Rambling: Glad you like seatbelts. They even keep your head up when you pass out!
I have to add how sick I felt when I watched the WACO movie and saw all the judiciary representatives. The ones who made so much sense during the Clinton impeachment were hell bent on harassing the surviving Davidians and their sympathizers, making any excuse possible for the FBI and ATF, while all of the reps who seemed like thunk neangertahls during the Clinton biz were rendering spiffy arguments in favor of personal freedom. More barf when none of them actually did anything.... yeah, I voted for Sen. Schumer, and then I watch his FBI-loving ways (and I think: D'Amato loved 'em too, though Schumer's smarter and can help them more.
I oppose all of the privacy invading technologies that are spying on us as we type, or which will as soon as the government gets it set up. And if it's not the government, corporations will do it.
Essentially, I feel no more free than you guys do. But I think you have more money. No, that's little consolation, I realize.
Rambling: Glad you like seatbelts. They even keep your head up when you pass out!
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Damn Yankees
McCarthy had nothing on his counterparts in the USSR. He was looking in the wrong place, though in the fifties. Britain had the "Magnificent Five" in Russian pay high up in their intelligence and foreign offices
Plus the lack of counterintelligence before the postwar era allowed Soviet agents to worm into high places in the State Department and the Department of the Treasury....
However, McCarthy was a shameless thug who deserves his infamy
McCarthy had nothing on his counterparts in the USSR. He was looking in the wrong place, though in the fifties. Britain had the "Magnificent Five" in Russian pay high up in their intelligence and foreign offices
Plus the lack of counterintelligence before the postwar era allowed Soviet agents to worm into high places in the State Department and the Department of the Treasury....
However, McCarthy was a shameless thug who deserves his infamy
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