Sexual descriptions ...

[Gary1]

As I have read many of the erotic stories that are posted, I find it interesting that many of the writers submit information in general terms. They write in generalities and do not get into describing what is actually taking place. In the last twenty stories ... there is not one full description of a breast, penis, or body. Descriptions also include all the senses .... touch, smell, sight, taste, ... etc... Am I the only one that enjoys a good description and in detail when I read a good story? Please don't think that I don't appreciate a good story, because so many of them are fantastic. However, many do not go into much detail or descriptions using the senses ...

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[Eve_of_destruction]

DUDE!!! I have to agree with you 100%! The last few stories I read just didn't do anything for me, but I couldn't really put my finger on the problem until I read your post just now... and the lack of flowing, descriptive phrases is the problem, you're absolutely right.

I find myself reading fewer and fewer stories lately, and I think that it is because of this lack of passion and emotion for the written word that the authors seem to have.

I think that's partly why I have decided to test the waters and write my own erotic story... but I had no idea that it would be so slow going! Hopefully my descriptions of everything erotic, from the curve of a stockinged thigh to the flat, smooth plane of a young man's chest will get all your juices flowing... I'll be sure to let you know as soon as it is published.

Peace,
Eve

 

[Slut_boy]

OMG Eve, you make me hot *slut_boy fans himself*

 

[Whispersecret]

I have to agree with gary1 also. Maybe it's just me, but the stories lately haven't done anything for me. And what is the purpose for erotic fiction if not to stimulate? I don't blame Laurel/Manu for this, necessarily, but it makes me wonder how stories are judged.

I've also noticed a lot of punctuation, spelling, etc. errors lately. When I read a story, if I see more than two or three glaring violations of English language conventions, it bugs me. A lot of the time I don't even finish reading the story. Is it just me, or does that bother other people too?

I realize this site is free. I realize that most of the authors are amateurs, but what are the criteria that Laurel and Manu use for judging the merit of stories, or do they accept everything?

 

[Gary1]

I fully appreciate the effort and time that goes into writing a good story. Short stories are much harder to write than long ones. It takes much more effort to say a lot in a short space. When I speak to organizations and seminars ... I hate the luncheon speaker position or the short one or two hour stint. I would much rather have the whole eight or sixteen hour time slot to speak, demonstrate, illustrate, and exhibit my subject matter. In a short span of an hour ... ah sheer drudgery ... to develope, expound, and close on a subject in such a short time span is very difficult ... On must be very succinct and use a great deal of planning and thought out process to do it successfully.

As for the writing portion... there are sooooo many talented people out there that have some extraordinary literary talent. But often they fail to spend the time needed to do a short story.

I wish that I had some literary talent ... but alas, I do not. I am forced to be a voyeur and gaze upon someone elses efforts. I see some people that have posted their poetry and prose ... wow ... I wish I could have the little talent that is located in their little pinky for my own use. Again I don't. So I hope that I did not offend anyone with my observation ... however, I do like a good story with some great detail so my imagination can take can take full flight into the fantasy world of the senses. When someone says she has a beautiful body ... beauty is different to different folks ... but I want to know what is beautiful to the author. When they say, "I could smell her womanhood" ... argh ... all women smell differently ... please describe the smell, the feel, the aroma, the feeling, the emotion, THE MOMENT.

Sorry for the diatribe ...

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[Bs]

Alas I am not a writer..... however I do have a very good imagination if you can give me the basics then I can go from there.....

and what I don't like in some stories is the way they drag on and on and on and on and on and on with mind numbing discriptions of every last detail.....


god ain't free speech great...

sure is nice that I like what I like and you like what you like....?..?..?.?.?

makes the world go around....

a little more bs.....

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[Lasher]

My god...."I want this, and I want this, and I want this, and I want this, and I want this...blah, blah, blah.."

People, this is a website run by 2 people, posting stories written by, in most cases, people who are not writers. This isn't fucking Random House, these people don't have teams of editors and copy writers to do all this work for them. And they have lives away from this little website. Do you want them to take the time to rewrite every story that is submitted so that it is 100% perfect in syntax and grammar?? How many stories do you think would get posted each day if that was the case?

You need to look at this from the other side. People submitting stories here need to take the time and run SPELLCHECK and proof read their stories. And then proofread them again. I think one of the things this site has working against it is that people are too shy to ask others to proofread their work because of the nature of the content.

And 3) different people like different things. You make like a lot of detail, someone else may not. Some people like wide shots of the female form when it comes to porn, others like tight shots on the pussy. "It's Freedom, Yehhh!"

Personally I think you're all just going thru withdrawl because Laurel was unable to post a lot of stories while away.

Finally, if you don't see what you like, write it yourself!!

(Sorry to steal your rant there, Laurel)

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[Whispersecret]

I am writing my own stories! I want to make sure they're the best I can make them before sending them off.

No, obviously many of the authors here are not professional writers. Yet, if they seek to put a story on paper (or on the screen, as it were) they ARE in a sense writers.

Excellent point, Lasher! I agree wholeheartedly that the authors themselves should self-edit, or have other people do it for them. Come on, people! I'm sure there are plenty of us who would be happy to look at your stuff before it's posted. Just ask in the Author's Hangout BB.

If the stories are filled with mistakes, I think Laurel and Manu should consider sending them back until they're decent, so to speak. (Sometimes punctuation and grammar are so bad that it's difficult to understand what I'm reading.)

Personally, I'd rather have one good story a day than ten bad ones.

Then again, I don't run the site. I realize that the upkeep of Literotica requires a huge amount of time and and even larger committment, but what I'm suggesting will reduce their work. (Look at the story. If it's adequate, post it. If it's not, reject it.) That should sharply curtail the backlog.

Laurel and Manu, please don't take this the wrong way. I love your site. It's GREAT. (Easy to access. Well organized with handy links.) I'm just trying to help make your job easier and make the site a little easier to read. I seriously love your site.

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[Laurel]

I realize this site is free. I realize that most of the authors are amateurs, but what are
the criteria that Laurel and Manu use for judging the merit of stories, or do they accept
everything?

Hi all...

We turn away a surprising amount of stories every day because the plot lacks, because the grammar is just horrid, etc...

That said, this is not Story magazine. The purpose this site is to allow everyone to share their fantasies - it's a sort of exhibitionism/voyeurism relationship between our readers and writers. We do not strive to be snobby and elitist. Instead, we attempt to cater to a wide range of fantasies, and to allow new writers the chance to receive feedback on their work. Some of the stuff we get is excellent. Though all of it may not up to your grammatical or literary standard, every story fulfills a fantasy for some reader out there who wished for such a tale to be written. And some of the stories you hold dear - the grammatically perfect literary marvels - leave other readers cold. Remember - not everyone is you.

Though this thread is full of responses, I noticed the Story Feedback section is usually empty. Perhaps the time spent here would be better spent there, giving authors more specific criticism on their stories.

If you read a story that isn't up to your standard as far as grammar, etc., then you may consider dropping the author an email asking if you may give them a little constructive criticism. Many of them would appreciate this very much. After all, that is what the email link is for, eh?

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[Laurel]

And thanks, Lasher.. you saved me some time there! (I beginning to think we were separated at birth, the way we think so alike!

)

 

[Lasher]

LOL...if you would ever meet my "family"... My wife is convinced there was a mix up at the hospital.

 

[Guest]

If you read a story that isn't up to your standard as far as grammar, etc., then you may consider dropping the author an email asking if you may give them a little constructive criticism. Many of them would appreciate this very much. After all, that is what the email link is for, eh?

I do write many authors and find most very receptive and even grateful when I show them how their stories might be made better.

I generally do it direct to the author rather than embarrass them in a public forum.

 

[Chemistry Anne]

Did anybody read my story? "A Visit to Uncle Solomon's" By-the-by, it takes more than a spell checker. I fact I see errors caused by too mcuh reliance on the spell checker. There and they're and their are different meaning to the same spoken word -written language is a subset of spoken launguage. To and Too and Two are also confused. But I'm getting wordy and I don't like that!

 

[Whispersecret]

Laurel, thanks for the clarification. An even bigger thanks for saving us from the truly unreadable. I'm morbidly curious to see an example of what you have rejected.

I think that you have an excellent variety of stories. I think I am now aware of every weird and common fetish known to mankind thanks to your welcoming acceptance of the strange and unusual.

During your week at home, working for our benefit, make sure you do something for yourself. Go out and get a good massage. See a movie. Look at something (anything) other than the computer screen. Hopefully it's not raining down there in San Diego.

Is there a kind way to suggest to someone that their spelling/grammar/punctuation skills are bad? I feel like if I point this out to them, they'll think to themselves, "Fuck off, bitch." What about that idea of listing volunteer proofreaders? That way the could come to us.

 

[Laurel]

Whispersecret - that's an absolutely brilliant idea! See my response on the "Apology" thread at the Author's Hangout. This is tooo cool! You guys are amazing, the ideas you come up with...

 

[Gary1]

Wow ... what great comments .... I appreciate that feedback ... especially the twins (Lasher/Laurel) ... Please do not think that I am being critical of the site ... I am not ... Please don't think that I am being critical of Laurel and Manu ... I am not. I am stating a preference of my likes and dislikes ... my perogative.

As stated before: "Please don't think that I don't appreciate a good story, because so many of them are fantastic" ... which I firmly believe.

Further stated was: "I fully appreciate the effort and time that goes into writing a good story."

And as state, "I wish that I had some literary talent ... but alas, I do not. I am forced to be a voyeur and gaze upon someone elses efforts. I see some people that have posted their poetry and prose ... wow ... I wish I could have the little talent that is located in their little pinky for my own use. Again I don't. So I hope that I did not offend anyone with my observation ..."

And in response to Laurel, "Though this thread is full of responses, I noticed the Story Feedback section is usually empty. Perhaps the time spent here would be better spent there, giving authors more specific criticism on their stories."

I do not like to critize in public. I do make use of the email links and send encouragement to budding and accomplished writers about their writing and style. I am aware of my preferences and that is all they are. I like details and lots of them... I want so much detail that when I close my eyes I can feel, taste, and smell what the authors are writing about. I do not like stories that are glossy, generic, and flippant. I can get those in the "Readers Digest" varieties that come in the "girly magazines".

With a site named "Literotica" I am impressed with the great many writers (authors) who are stretching their wings and setting their sails in their literary endeavors. I am impressed with soooo much talent available, yet untapped. But, ... I do have my preferences ... as do others ... and I have found that during the last several weeks many of the stories have been lacking in detail.

Again thanks for all the great responses to this thread ...

Laurel ... the reason this thread was started here ... is maybe because there are sooooo few responses in the Story feedback area ... Is it possible to run a thread simultaneously in both the Story Feedback area and in this venue. Or move it to that arena.

Once more ... thanks for the feedback ... And please keep writing great stories ...

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[Laurel]

Good points, gary... I'm not offended at all - in fact, as I mentioned to whispersecret in email, I'm rather flattered that you all care enough about the site to be concerned with the quality of it stories...

I appreciate that feedback ... especially the twins
(Lasher/Laurel) ...

LOL!!!!

I do not like to critize in public. I do make use of the email links and send encouragement
to budding and accomplished writers about their writing and style.

I respect that... However, not everyone does that. In fact, a very small fraction of the readership gives feedback to the authors... My only point was that the only way a writer will improve is if they're given criticism. The reason most, if not all, of the writers submit stories here is to be read and to receive feedback of some kind.

Laurel ... the reason this thread was started here ... is maybe because there are sooooo
few responses in the Story feedback area ... Is it possible to run a thread simultaneously
in both the Story Feedback area and in this venue. Or move it to that arena.

I could move it - in fact, I think I will - only because this thread makes more sense there. Authors looking for feedback will be looking in the Feedback section, after all, and I think the comments re: detail in stories might be of interest to them...

I understand what you're saying, and I hope you all understand where we're coming from... Part of what makes this site so fun is the broad range of tastes and viewpoints it represents... A side effect of this is that the quality of the writing will be uneven. Hopefully, the Volunteer Editors will help to improve the quality of writing here at Literotica, as well as give the authors the feedback they seek.

 

[Tawny T]

A great many of the stories here are written by first time writers.

If you read Botique Magic you know it was long, as most of my stories are - I can't seem to write a short one. If I'd described each breast, each thigh, the taste of each pussy, it would have come out longer than War And Piece

I proof read my stories at least four or five times, have a Wordmaster at hand, use spell checker, make little changes, add a word or two here and there and -- I'll be damned when the story comes out there still is a typo or two. My background includes a hell of a lot of English and one Journalism course.

I'm a nurse by profession and I still can't get my stories 100% right all the time - try as I will. Hey, all my pencils have erasers on them.

As for the detailed description try this - in 2,000 words or less describe the taste of butterscotch!!!

A pussy tastes slightly salty, sweet, nice, savory, delicious, mouthwatering, toothsome and ????????

 

[Gary1]

A pussy tastes slightly salty, sweet, nice, savory, delicious, mouthwatering, toothsome and ???????? how about succulent, palatable, yummy, delicious, …… golly …. Sounds like the taste of oysters on the half shell.

NOTE or CAVEAT: I am not preaching, denigrating, finding fault or in anyway being negative in the following information. Just trying to put forth a little and I emphasize little information. If you would like to print it out and use it for future reference for writing material … please feel free.

There are such wonderful words in the English and other languages that can describe the tastes of a woman's pussy. And each of those words can have more meanings. Check out a thesaurus. One can have all kinds of descriptions to use other than the ordinary crap that is attributed to a woman's pussy, kitty, cunt, womanhood, genitals, masterpiece, her sexual center or what ever … not enough time here for this … back to the point of the pussy taste…. Here are some suggestions when you are stuck for a word to describe the taste…

As a writer, the thesaurus can be your best friend. Just don't get caught up in using all the same old cliches that get over used. Try using some different word

If a woman's pussy is "succulent" for instance. It may be edible, worth eating, palatable, palate-tickling, dainty, yummy, delicious, tasty, and savory. When referring to her "fluid": it may be succulent, juicy, sappy, squashy, squishy, semi-liquid, or pulpy. If it is "pulpy" it may be: succulent, fleshy, juicy, sappy, squashy, ripe, overripe, matured, or savory. If it is "savory", then it may be: mature, ripe, mellow, luscious, juicy, succulent, ambrosial, nectareous, luscious, delicious, or pleasant.

How about a young or unused woman's pussy …. We could call it green, vernal, soft, fluid, humid, pleasurable, super, or even impure. So if you don't like those words, go back to the thesaurus and use a few more ….For instance: Her young pussy tasted "green" and fresh. You can substitute: dewy, juicy, sappy, and vernal. I always like the word "vernal": spring-like, sappy, juicy, flowering, florescent, young, Or, how about small, delicate, dainty, petite, mignon(ne), minikin, fragile, brittle, flimsy, delicate, dainty, textural, little, dinky, elfin. "Soft" is another good word that can be substituted for : squashy, juicy, overripe, pulpy. Or, it may be "humid" to describe the condition and flavor. I used the word "semi-liquid" previously and because so often a woman's pussy fluid is not clear. Try the following: unclarified, curdled, clotted, coagulated, jellied, gelatinous, pulpy, juicy, sappy, milky, creamy, lactescent, lacteal. I often hear, "her pussy was "super". How about using: scrumptious, delicious, juicy, yummy, pleasurable; or pleasurable: luscious, juicy, pulpy; or impure: spicy, juicy. A young or unused woman's pussy could be referred to as being foolish, soft, soppy, sappy, goody-goody, or even innocent tasting

How about "palate-tickling", dainty, yummy, delicious, tasty, savory, fatty, butyraceous, buttery, creamy, milky, rich, savory, sapid, saporous, palatable, full of flavor, flavorful, mouth-watering, tempting, appetizing, delectable, delicious, exquisite, choice, epicurean. I love epicurean. Ahhhh how delightful the thoughts of the epicurean secrets that await me.

A woman's pussy may taste "pungent," zesty, tangy, minty, piquant, aromatic, sweet pleasurable, and delicate. Or, if it aging it can be described as middle-aged, ripe or fully ripe, mature, mellow, matured, perfect or perfected, seasoned, weathered, fully developed, full-grown, or even hardened. Or a mature pussy may be spongy, soggy, mushy, squelchy, squishy, boggy, marshy tasting. Or well-seasoned, salty, peppery, tangy, flavored, spiced, spicy, herbed, herby, racy, rich, strong, full-flavored, full-bodied, fruity, hoppy, generous, well-matured, mellow, vintage, gustatory, gustative.

A well used pussy may be described as, spongy, soggy, mushy squelchy, squishy, boggy, marshy, undrained, oozy, muddy, slimy, sloppy, slushy, squashy, squishy, splashy, or plashy. A woman's pussy may be well ornamented with a well trimmed bush and pierced lips and therefore can be called luscious, plush, gilt, begilt, gilded, and rich. A woman's pussy may also be described as being clean, nice, fastidious personable elegant, refined, tasteful, choosy, finicky, picky, mincing, and dainty.

Now this is "diatribe" at it's finest. Just a few suggestions for those that do not have thesaurus as hand. I do love pussy in all its forms and conditions. Although I am a breast man … and that is for another time … hope you enjoyed. And Tawny T I hope that answers that questions. hehehe

 

[Gary1]

We could try another approach?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Gary it looks like you almost wrote a story in that long post. Go on give it a shot, you know what you like just put it on paper.

I worry that too much proofing ( I am anal about it) makes the story's highlights fade. I smooth out all the rough edges and polish till I am sick of reading my own story then worry that it is too dry with the emotions glossed over. Like Tawny no amount of my proofing seems to get all of the errors.

 

[Guest]

Being a latecomer to this thread, I find the need to backtrack. 1) I volunteer my anal-retentive proof-reading services. I've been known to catch typos in the New York Times. 2) As a contributor to this fine site, I would rather have my work surrounded by literate pieces. I feel this site is directed toward more literary pieces and as such, there should be a requisite regarding common grammar, punctuation and spelling. However, I believe that in keeping with the tone of the story, incorrect grammar may sometimes be substituted.

Let me know if you need my services (nudge, nudge; wink, wink).

 

[Gil]

Gary,

I also like detail to a certain degree. "He shoved his thick cock into her wet pussy", just doesn't do it for me.

I prefer something more along the lines of: Her pussy lay open and inviting like pink, moist flower covered with the dew of her arousal. Her clit glistened, stiffly protruding out from under its protective covering and the mouth of the entrance to her pussy entrance slowly winked open and closed, in tune with her excitement. He placed the head of his cock against the gently nibbling opening of her pussy and as he pushed in he felt the slick, wet warmth of her tunnel grasp him tightly in a velvet-like sheath, etc.

Anyway, if Laurel ever posts my story 'Jeremy', hint...hint...wink

, I would love to have (feel, hear, see) your input with regard to detail; too much, too little, too clinical, etc.

 

[Gil]

I can't believe it. Two typos in my previous post; damnit. Too many "entrances", oh shit, oh dear. Anyway, hope they weren't too detracting from the point I was trying to make.

Shirley, I for one would feel much more comfortable submitting editorial work to you, if you were a registered member of Literotica. Nothing personal and then again maybe it is; food for thought.

 

[Gary1]

Gil,
You have the right idea. Anyone can fuck a pussy ... but to be able to insert a throbbing, pulsating length of cock into a hot, humid, and moist pussy ... is much better. Glad that I am not the only strange one on this planet. Looking forward to reading some of your material ...