Sex and Drugs

[NoJo]

There's a poll going on about smoking pot and writing. About half of people on that thread feel, as I do, that your power of judgement is reduced while stoned, and you might not produce such good work as you thought, after you "come down".

This reminds me of early LSD experimenters in the 60's (when it was still legal and largely confined to scientific community). In one filmed session, one of the volunteers suddenly stood up and announced that she understood everything -- everything there is to understand about existence, reality, life, death etc. So she wrote down the answer to the the question of existence on a piece of paper and sealed it in an envelope, to be opened after the drug had worn off.

When they had all come down, she solemnly opened the envelope and read out: "If I stand on my toes I can touch the ceiling."

So we might get a few false insights when high; it won't make us better writers, in my opinion.

Of course pot makes a lot of people enjoy sex more -- it's definitely an aphrodisiac of sorts -- but are people "better" at sex when high?

And for any of you who've dabbled in other chemicals, what about cocaine? LSD? amphetamines? alcohol?? (I know what it does to men, but some women can get pretty spicy when drunk).

I was given Viagra once by a colleague as a present to take on my wedding anniversary. It was very effective at what it's advertised for, but I don't think it made me "perform" better in the least. Actually the main thing I remember about it was having to leaning right over to pee.

 

[Pookie]

I've done some stupid things while high or drunk, but I never felt like sex was better because of it. Drugs and alcohol seem to dull the senses for me. It might help lower inhibitions at times, but I don't think it improves performance. With some drugs, it might help improve stamina, but I have also heard that with some drugs, it becomes almost impossible for a guy to achieve orgasm.

The basic thing I would say is it can be fun to have sex while high, but I prefer to be sober myself. Too many stupid things can happen when you are not sober.

Pookie

 

[pop_54]

Yep

I've done some stupid things while high or drunk, but I never felt like sex was better because of it. Drugs and alcohol seem to dull the senses for me. It might help lower inhibitions at times, but I don't think it improves performance. With some drugs, it might help improve stamina, but I have also heard that with some drugs, it becomes almost impossible for a guy to achieve orgasm.

The basic thing I would say is it can be fun to have sex while high, but I prefer to be sober myself. Too many stupid things can happen when you are not sober.

Pookie

Too right luv, a lot of people about who wouldn't be but for mummy being pissed up when daddy humped her, whoever daddy is, hehe.

Oh and my wifey goes mental for dirty sex when she's had a few drinks, but loses interest if she's well drunk.

Me? well I'm a bloke, try it any way drunk or sober, usually with amusing results if too well gone on something.

pops.............

 

[Pookie]

Re: Yep

Oh and my wifey goes mental for dirty sex when she's had a few drinks, but loses interest if she's well drunk.

I'm the same way. A few drinks can definately get me in the mood for "dirty sex". It's rare that I need drinks for that though. After a while though, it does have the opposite affect.

Pookie

 

[medjay]

I don't have sex when I'm drunk. In my experience it makes me clumsy and takes away from any eroticism that might otherwise take place.

I have enjoyed sex while me and my partner were high, however. Not seriously high but enough to get frisky.

Good times . . .

 

[NorthwestRain]

Apparently Leonard Cohen, one of the greatest songwriters and poets of our time, attributes amphetamines to the completion of much of his work. He says without them, he may never have had them finished.
I think this may mean that these drugs help some people believe in themselves and their work, therefore giving them the incentive to finish.
As far as sex goes, all I can say is that if you havn't done it with a partner whilst both on ecstasy, you havn't lived. It is a phenomenal feeling of closeness and sensitivity, unlike any other drug. Pot is not even in the race.
However, it does kill some people too, as each chemical effects everyone differently, so it's best to trust your dealer and know your substance.
There's also no denying many great writers and artists use/used drugs (if still alive!!). Some that spring to mind are John Lennon, Van Gogh, Aldous Huxley, and Stephen King.
I think that new sex drug they're developing sounds better than viagra, as it effects the mind rather than just the penis.

 

[NoJo]

Ecstasy, like LSD, is a drug I've chosen never to try. Like Woody Allen says, my brain is my second favorite organ, and I'm too scared of messing it up with psychedelics. Although I sort of envy people who take it, as they seem to really enjoy themselves while "loved up". And I can't imagine people on ecstasy starting any wars.

 

[NorthwestRain]

I guess it's like anything, moderation being the key.
I've had some pretty interesting times with LSD also, but not combined with sex or writing.
Maybe pops can testify, but apparently the acid these days is crap compared to the 60's gear. Just giggle material.

 

[wildsweetone]

When they had all come down, she solemnly opened the envelope and read out: "If I stand on my toes I can touch the ceiling."

Maybe there's more to it than what you see on the facade... Perhaps she truely discovered the meaning of life. Perhaps she made the realisation that she has no need to be more than what she already was...

Ecstacy? Isn't that what you achieve when you're completely at peace with yourself?

 

[NoJo]

Re: Re: Sex and Drugs

"If I stand on my toes I can touch the ceiling."

Maybe there's more to it than what you see on the facade...

I must admit, I've never forgotten the words that woman wrote when high. I has a certain tantalising hint of some deep truth. It reminds me of when you wake up from a dream and deperately try to remember it as it fades. Maybe those truths that seem so significant in our dreamworld just don't survive in waking life.

I remember seeing a little kid carrying a snowflake on the palm of his hand into our house to show everybody, which of course melted the instant he came inside.

 

[Quiet_Cool]

Can't help out much here...

I'm drugfree, and have been for twenty-five and a half years...BTW, I'm twenty-five and a half years old. Kinda' proud of my lacking in the abuse of substances, quite frankly. The only "drug" I use is alcohol, nd when I'm drinking a lot...well, I become incapable of taking advantage of those opportunities, to be honest...

 

[NoJo]

Well, QC you're a lot closer to my sons age than I am, and I'm really pleased that my son and his friends don't view taking drugs as being cool, or making much of a "youth statement" any more -- which is great, because to quote South Park, " drugs're bad... m-kay?"


One of the biggest mistakes some people of the 60's made was to think that drugs would make them into more interesting people. Of course we all know what really makes people interesting.. money. Lots and lots of it. Just kidding. It's really the clothes you wear. Nope, kidding again.

 

[NorthwestRain]

It's a shame alcohol is shoved down everyone's throat when it's caused more deaths than any illegal drugs. I think it fucks people up more than anything.
In terms of sex it seems to have an amazing effect on women, which probably helped it become legalized.

 

[TheEarl]

Never taken any drugs apart from alcohol and kava. I like my mind and have no wish to change it, even temporarily. Escape from my inhibitions through alcohol yes, but I don't like the thought that a chemical could change the way I think. It's a short step from there to wondering whether the change has diminished me.

The Earl

 

[wildsweetone]

(I know what it does to men, but some women can get pretty spicy when drunk

feelings from wine...
light numbness in the base of the neck, creeping slowly upwards,
warmth,
euphoria or not caring about problems,
an easily sparked flirtatiousness,
eyes slower to focus - again no caring,
openness to any suggestions now, where once inhibitions stood in force,
enjoyment in the moment.

overstepping the mark (i.e. one glass too many) leads to:
depression,
doing things wrong,
guilt,
headache/hangover,
sickness,
lethargy,
declaration of 'never doing that again' etc...

 

[SlickTony]

Alcohol lowers inhibitions, but does nothing for sexual response. OTOH, weed has always enhanced my sexual response, and made orgasms last longer. That's one thing I miss about it.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Well I see that Bush is winning the war, you bunch of babies!

I'm a child of the sixties and I guess I've done just about every substance that came my way. I found the effects of drugs so fascinating that I turned a hobby into a high-paying career and became a pharmaceutical chemist.

The question if more complicated than it appears. What do you mean by "better" sex? That is last longer, that it's more intense, that you're more sensitive, more imaginative, more emotional? If you see mandala patterns on your partner's face while you make love does that make it better? If you take opium so that every touch makes you ring like a gong but you're too clumsy to do anything, does that mnake it better? If alcohol loosens you up enough so that you'll try somethiing wild but dulls you so much that you can't feel it, soes that make it better?

One thing though: amphetamines and cocaine are famous for producing drug-induced impotence. Don't ever take speed if you're going to be making love. Same thing with barbiturates and most downers. Heroin and morphine especially just kill the sex drive dead.

On the other hand, if you enjoy feeling like your head is exploding when you orgasm, try amyl nitrite (not "amyl nitrate"). Some people seem to like that. Not me.

A word about Viagara: The drug is in no way an aphrodisiac nor a performance enhancer. And if you take it it doesn't mean you're automatically going to get hard. All it does is enable a certain enzymatic pathway that the body normally uses to produce an erection. If impotence is caused by trouble with this pathway, then it can temporarily correct it.

So if conditions are right--of you're in the mood and excited and you're being touched and stimulated--you'll get an erection (70% of impotent men will, at least). It won't make you last longer, be bigger or any of that. If you don't suffer from impotence, then you're just wasting it by taking it. And no, it will not enable you to recover more quickly either.

 

[NorthwestRain]

I second your word on speed causing impotence. That drug's only good if you want to talk shit with great conviction.
Hey doc, there is a fad in the clubs involving combining viagra with ecstacty, coke and other drugs. Apparently guys walk around with hard-ons all night. Is this bullshit or what?
I was thinking about trying viagra for a bit of fun, although I'm not impotent. It sounds like you feel it would be a total waste of time. True?

 

[pop_54]

Hi

I second your word on speed causing impotence. That drug's only good if you want to talk shit with great conviction.
Hey doc, there is a fad in the clubs involving combining viagra with ecstacty, coke and other drugs. Apparently guys walk around with hard-ons all night. Is this bullshit or what?
I was thinking about trying viagra for a bit of fun, although I'm not impotent. It sounds like you feel it would be a total waste of time. True?

Wouldn't think mixing that bloody lot would help anything friend, apart from making you easier to cart off to the cells, or maybe the hospital.

I don't know for sure but I'd think taking Viagra when you don't need it would be a waste of your money.
Another thing, if your impotence is mental not physical it don't always work, Viagra can't make your dick bigger, if you're scared into impotence by some fear or other, see a shrink, don't waste your money on chemicals.

pops..............(Not speaking from experience)

 

[SlaveMasterUK]

Re: Re: Sex and Drugs

Ecstacy? Isn't that what you achieve when you're completely at peace with yourself? [/B]

Yeah, or with someone else. Only it usually takes a little longer.
;-)

ax