Senate Votes 72-25 To Invoke Cloture.

[amicus]

Senate Votes 72-25 To Invoke Cloture.


Not that I want to gloat, but last ditch efforts by Kennedy and Kerry to delay, (filibuster) the vote on Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito failed today as the Senate voted to place Alito before the full Senate for a vote at 11am, tomorrow, 01/31/06.

I search several times for the text of Senator Ted Kennedy’s remarks during the cloture hearing to no avail, if anyone can find them and post them I would appreciate it.

Kennedy did the unthinkable, in essence, he fully admitted that a left leaning Supreme Court was necessary to keep in place all the liberal legislation of the past thirty years.

Laws and legislation, basically unconstitutional, but deemed ‘legal’ usually by a 5-4 decision in the liberal court.

It seems Alito will be confirmed by the Senate, pundits are saying there are 57 ‘sure’ votes and possibly a few more; only 51 votes are required.

Attention has already turned back to a possible next retirement from the court and Justice Stevenson (sp) is the next likely candidate.

News commentary this evening indicated that since both Roberts and Alito, conservative judges, have been confirmed, that it assures another even more conservation nominee will be presented at the next opening.

In the extremely partisan world of American politics, it is sobering to acknowledge that this is the best news that could happen for one party and the worst possible for the opposition.

Amicus…

 

[SeaCat]

News commentary this evening indicated that since both Roberts and Alito, conservative judges, have been confirmed, that it assures another even more conservation nominee will be presented at the next opening.

In the extremely partisan world of American politics, it is sobering to acknowledge that this is the best news that could happen for one party and the worst possible for the opposition.

Amicus…

True Amicus,

But you need to consider this. Is this what is best for our country? (Isn't that what all questions/decisions like this should be based on?)

Yes I know how you feel about the extreme Liberals, and you know how I feel about the extreme Conservatives. Where is the middle and is not the middle the best place for our country?

Cat

 

[imalickin]

True Amicus,

But you need to consider this. Is this what is best for our country? (Isn't that what all questions/decisions like this should be based on?)

Yes I know how you feel about the extreme Liberals, and you know how I feel about the extreme Conservatives. Where is the middle and is not the middle the best place for our country?

Cat

i kind of agree with cat on this. an extreme one way or the other is not good for the country or it's people. extremes cause other problems which are unnoticed until it is too late. on one hand a decay of indivdual morals and a lax enforcement of law, on the other a fanatical adherence to the law with limited personal freedoms.

the republic could stand neither of those extremes for long.

 

[elsol]

Absolutely, it's the best for our country.

Atheism isn't a religion.

MUHAHAHAHA!

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Liar]

True Amicus,

But you need to consider this. Is this what is best for our country? (Isn't that what all questions/decisions like this should be based on?)

Yes I know how you feel about the extreme Liberals, and you know how I feel about the extreme Conservatives. Where is the middle and is not the middle the best place for our country?

Cat

Cat, you have to consider that what Ami sees as extreme left is what you and me would see as slightly right of the middle.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Where is the middle and is not the middle the best place for our country?

<shrug>
Maybe...

but the "middle" is also the realm of mediocrity...


just an observation

 

[elsol]

Cat, you have to consider that what Ami sees as extreme left is what you and me would see as slightly right of the middle.

Yeah... Ami thinks I"m a leftist nut.

Which is very amusing since I have FAR more in common with the neo-cons than he does...

This is not a conservative movement, but a religious conservative movement... and as 'one of those' Catholics, the kind that would put on the white tabard with blood-red cross and put the sword to unbelievers if the Pope said so, the religious nuts that are the base for Ami's love of present-day Washington are speaking more my language than his.

I love it when people get into bed with their natural enemies for political expediency.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Colleen Thomas]

From an old school conservative, what practical effect have Alito and roberts coming to the cour achieved? they are replacing a conservative and a minimalist with conservative leanings.

So the four conservatives n the court are now reactionary conservatives. Being extra conservative dosen't make their votes count for more. It' still going to be a five four kind of court, with stevens being more of a swing than he used to since O'connor is gone.

The only real loosers thus far are women, since O'coonor was prone to protecting encroachment on our rights and was prone to be more sympathetic to women's issues.

Unless stevens decides to redden up a good bit, you're still going to see five four splits on most left/right keynote issues.

 

[Pure]

One possible reason for hope

It's just possible that, on the SC, some of the 'conservative' judges, including the 'original intent' persons, will actually BE (old guard) conservatives who oppose the self-promoted growth of arbitrary power of the executive, particularly its Chief!

Surely that's among the greatest dangers of the present American path.

MAYBE not all will be happy with an imperially powered Prez who may do whatever can be wrapped in the mantle of 'war on terror'.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

It's just possible that, on the SC, some of the 'conservative' judges, including the 'original intent' persons, will actually BE (old guard) conservatives who oppose the self-promoted growth of arbitrary power of the executive, particularly its Chief!

Surely that's among the greatest dangers of the present American path.

MAYBE not all will be happy with an imperially powered Prez who may do whatever can be wrapped in the mantle of 'war on terror'.

Scalia was, at one time, closer to rhenquists old guard conservatism than he is now. I have heard it postulated his move towards the right was inspired by his hope to be the next chief justice. With that hope dashed, he might move back, at least partially, from the reactionary edge.

 

[amicus]

imalickin]i kind of agree with cat on this. an extreme one way or the other is not good for the country or it's people. extremes cause other problems which are unnoticed until it is too late. on one hand a decay of indivdual morals and a lax enforcement of law, on the other a fanatical adherence to the law with limited personal freedoms.

the republic could stand neither of those extremes for long.

[/I]

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Well, there is a different way to view extremes and of course, being me, I think it is the only rational way.

That is to acknowledge that that 'center postion' on any issue is merely a measurement between the two extremes.

In other words, the 'middle' is defined by the existence of the extremes.

I have always maintain that to advocate a 'middle of the road' position, is to advcoate no position at all.

In specific, concerning the Court, as defined by the constitution and the spirit of the constitution, the function of the the Court is to define the 'constitutionality' of the litigation, not its benefit or danger to society.

Almost since the beginning, the Court has had members that wish to 'legislate' rather than 'adjudicate'. Thus should the court move more in the direction of the original intent, that is to say become more conservative, it would be moving to a position concurrent with the intent of the framers.

I got up late this day, having awoken at 3am with a scene for my new novel to get down, 2500 words worth, but in doing so, I have not yet heard a news report on just exactly how the Senate voted.

Sighs....

(edited to add, I just saw a crawler, 52-48 to confirm, egads, much closer than predicted)

amicus...

 

[Sex and Death]

i kind of agree with cat on this. an extreme one way or the other is not good for the country or it's people. extremes cause other problems which are unnoticed until it is too late. on one hand a decay of indivdual morals and a lax enforcement of law, on the other a fanatical adherence to the law with limited personal freedoms.

the republic could stand neither of those extremes for long.

If we aim for comfort, safety and mediocrity, we will surely attain it.