Seeking advise and feedback on a complicated situation?

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IDK if this is the right place this, but I don't need advice and don't really have anywhere else to go. I tried to shorten it down as best I could, but there is a lot to talk about for context.

I'd been talking to this girl on another website for 8 years (it was exclusively online), though she finally said she would meet me, and it literally all went to shit within hours. She said she had some pics she wanted to SEND me of her in platform shoes. But the best way we could think of was for her to post it on one of my posts that didn't get any traffic. So she posted them and I quickly download them, so I could delete the post. I didn't ask her if I could, and maybe I should've, but that's another issue. Anyways, when I went into my phone's gallery, I noticed that they were geo-tagged. Of course being her best friend, I HAD to tell her, even if it meant not getting anymore pictures. It turned out the location was wrong, but she was still freaking out and I gave her some tips on how to remove the geotags and I told her, I would like more pics but understand if she doesn't feel comfortable. I told her the ones she posted years ago didn't have it and I would've told her if they did. I then told her, "you have to do a few things to see it, but it's pretty easy." She started freaking out, asking why I did those things, but I told her I noticed completely by accident, though I didn't tell her at this time that I downloaded them, 'cuz I was afraid she'd get mad. I had our mutual friend tell her later. But anyways, she seemed to believe me after a whole, and we kept chatting and I thought everything was cool. Then when I checked the app the next morning, she had blocked me.

I had our mutual friend message her, and she started telling him a bunch of lies and twisting the story to make me look bad. She didn't believe my story and said I coerced her into sending me pictures to get her location because I knew they would be geo-tagged, even though I didn't. Then she told the guy I looked for his geotags too, even though I literally told her I only did it to see if other people's were doing it.

But she started going on to him about how I've acted creepy around her before, but she gave me the benefit of the doubt. And apparently it was about messages I sent where I was convinced she had romantic feelings for me, despite her telling me she doesn't. And she called me "delusional", first time she ever insulted me. Though if you knew some of the thing she said to me (I might post some further down), you'd understand why I felt that way. Also, I was at a point in my life where I was going through a lot and I really wanted a girlfriend and I never met someone who was so perfect for me. But she told the guy, the contents of those messages were proof that I would harm her, yet she continued to engage with me and even agreed to meet me. She didn't even tell me she read them. We've talked before about how we're both into dark romance and romantic thrillers, and she literally said she likes those because they mimic real life, but she also pointed out that it's okay to watch and even write about that stuff, because it's only fantasy.

Moving on, she said she never wants to talk to me again and she said she's been afraid of me for months, because I pressured her to give her location many times. I said a few times I was curious, but also that I understand why she won't tell me. And I've even told her before, I apologized if I've ever seemed pushy or she felt pressured by me. And she assured me, I never have, yet now she's telling this guy I pressured her for her location and pics. To put some things into perspective, she had seen my face and heard my voice, but I haven't seen and heard her's, and there were some times when I thought she might be a catfish.

Anyhoo, she was literally making suggestions for pics to send me, and she knew I have a foot fetish and had always been cool with it and still suggested pics to send me. Though every time she was supposed to send, she would make up some excuse, but when she finally sent me these, she literally said she'd been putting it off because she knows I like feet and was worried that I wouldn't like her's. She was totally into me complimenting them, yet she told our other friend I she was coerced by me and that I can't accept her rejection.

Now mind you, this was during the few month period when she was allegedly afraid of me. Yet she continued to engage with me, telling me how she loves making me happy and how I can always be honest and open with her, and how basically that we were at the point that our friendship was secure. And remember, she also agreed to meet me during this period that she was allegedly became scared of me.

Once I even offered to send her a shirtless pic and she very excitedly said "YES!" and then later said that shirtless men are considered sexual in her country. I even told her I shaved my body hair because I know she likes hairless men, and she seemed totally into it. As well as other romantic/sexual stuff I've told her before, despite not finding me attractive. She didn't seem to mind that I felt this way about her or was flirty, and she even got jealous and worried when I told her I talk to other girls, because she said she was afraid I'd leave her for them. Even though she made a post implying that she would probably abandon me if she ever got a boyfriend.

She literally said she loves jealous, clingy, possessive guys and even pushy guys, as long as they aren't dangerous or crazy, yet now she was complaining that I told her "sometimes persistence pays off."

If I'm completely honest, she seems like the kind of girl who complains about creepy guys, but at the same time is flattered by the attention, because it reinforces how beautiful and desirable she is.

But not once did she suggest I was doing anything to make her uncomfortable, quite the contrary, but now she completely trashed me to that guy, despite being the kind of person who believes that a person should be defined by their good and not their bad. He was giving her the benefit of the doubt at first, but after I told him some more stuff, he also started to think that she was playing games with me. She even said to that guy she kept being nice and kind to me, but is done. Almost as if she felt obligated or was only doing it to feel better about herself. Though she did encourage me to share my problems and she did the same with me, and did have my back before, she never wished me happy birthday, was never on-call for me and never messaged me first or followed up on anything I told her, like I did with her. Despite her saying her boyfriend would need to chat everyday and respond within a minute. She would also disappear for long periods of time, often when I needed her most and sometimes completely ignore me online, like I didn't matter to her, despite claiming she missed me.

It's crazy how you think you know someone, and then another side of them suddenly reveals itself. I did some research, and she seems to be exhibiting signs of "Persecutory Delusion". I long felt there was something off about her, but I gave her the benefit of the doubt as well, because she never acted devious towards me although at times it seemed like I didn't matter to her as much as she did to me. But I'd never been this close with anyone and I was willing to understand her and accept her the way she is, and she felt the same with me. We shared things with each other we've never shared with anyone else. She was my emotional crutch, but despite what she said, I feel more bad because I was the only friend she had and the only person she ever trusted outside of her family. Which is why I feel so shitty about it. I wanted to be the thing she never had. Even if I was many times feeling depressed because of her (I never really told her this), though our friend told her that I was hurt that she didn't reciprocate my feelings. I believed she would stay loyal to me at least while we were friends, unless I truly did something to break her trust. So what upsets me most is this all happened because I was looking out for her well-being, yet she's convinced I had some ulterior motives and want to harm her and she told that guy blatant lies about me. But as far as I know, she hasn't said anything publicly. Though I did get a little concerned 'cuz she saved a lot of our conversations that she thought were special, but now I'm afraid she might completely twist them out of context and use them against me.

Maybe I'll sound like the crazy one here, but it got to the point where she was affecting the course of my life. I did become really attached to her, much more then she did to me I often felt, and was dead set on meeting her making her my girlfriend. But I see that my life was definitely better with her in it. Despite all that, I still remember her as a kind person who needed a friend, which is why part of me wants her back, but it doesn't seem like she wants me, and IDK if things would be the same. This is literally the only fight we've ever had. I do genuinely believe that she cared for me to some degree, and that she did genuinely enjoy making me happy for whatever reasons, and I know while we were talking, she never meant to hurt me or make me feel bad.

I always feared, if I broke her trust, she'll never be able to trust anyone again and I was genuinely convinced neither of us will be able to find someone we connect with like this ever again. I was genuinely convinced that only WE were perfect for each other. I truly do feel if I met her physical criteria, we would've been in a relationship.

I really can't say anymore without me spilling her secrets, but I'll just say she's a complicated person.


For those of you who managed to get through the whole thing, what do you think of this? Who's guilty here? Should I feel bad and should I try to salvage this friendship?
 
Sorry, but anyone who you have never met in real life, and gets freaked out about people learning their real location.... can't be trusted.

I hope you never sent them any money, because that ain't coming back to you
 
Sorry, but anyone who you have never met in real life, and gets freaked out about people learning their real location.... can't be trusted.

I hope you never sent them any money, because that ain't coming back to you
No. But surely sending them money would reveal their location.

Yeah, after 8 years with as close as we got, you'd figure she'd trust me enough to tell me. Guess she never fully trusted me 100%, though to be fair I never really did her either.
 
No. But surely sending them money would reveal their location.

Yeah, after 8 years with as close as we got, you'd figure she'd trust me enough to tell me. Guess she never fully trusted me 100%, though to be fair I never really did her either.
Oh, there are ways to send money without revealing location. Cryptocurrency for example, or Western Union. But it sounds like she didn't ask you for that. So that's good.

I'm really sorry to say this because it's clear you really cared for her. But her actions that you describe don't sound genuine.

Do you know what "catfishing" is?
 
Ok. I did read that way too long wordy post.
First, yes I notice all sorts of things on picture, online , whatever. I usually don’t mention them because sometimes people freak.
Based on her reaction, the geotag was correct. Also I think she’s married or in a serious relationship.
She’s not planning on meeting you, it’s not anything to do with you, it’s part of her fantasy that she’s free but she’s not.
Considering you didn’t trust her either, I’d say you knew in your gut that this wasn’t right.
I understand 8 yrs, but if she can block you after that time, she doesmt deserve you.
There are plenty of fish in the sea, I wouldn’t waste any more time on her.
Also in future if you plan on meeting someone, make a plan within the first year or two, don’t waste time on anyone who doesn’t deserve you.
 
Ok. I did read that way too long wordy post.
First, yes I notice all sorts of things on picture, online , whatever. I usually don’t mention them because sometimes people freak.
Based on her reaction, the geotag was correct. Also I think she’s married or in a serious relationship.
She’s not planning on meeting you, it’s not anything to do with you, it’s part of her fantasy that she’s free but she’s not.
Considering you didn’t trust her either, I’d say you knew in your gut that this wasn’t right.
I understand 8 yrs, but if she can block you after that time, she doesmt deserve you.
There are plenty of fish in the sea, I wouldn’t waste any more time on her.
Also in future if you plan on meeting someone, make a plan within the first year or two, don’t waste time on anyone who doesn’t deserve you.
Well I appreciate that.
Yeah, no shit. I thought telling her was the morally right thing to do, but apparently not.

If I'm completely honest, I think it was as well. 'Cuz if she's so paranoid about me knowing, then I doubt she would admit if it WAS the correct one.
Some of the details match up, but others don't/are contradictory, but she could've been lying before then slipped up.
Also, literally a couple days after, she posted that she and her family are planning to move within the next few months. She never mentioned anything to me about moving. She always said she doesn't have the means, now suddenly she's moving. Very strange.

She fucks up and doesn't turn off her geotags, and I'M the bad guy!

Yeah, someone who trusts you 100% as she claims, doesn't hide their location or face/voice from you for 8 years.
I sometimes felt bad for having doubts/suspicions about her, but my intuition was probably correct. I guess I just kept giving her the benefit of the doubt, because I WANTED to believe she was different from others.

I don't think she's married/taken, that would be absolutely crazy, but she's clearly hiding and being dishonest about "something".

But now that you mentioned it, I'm wondering if she could've possibly met another guy while we were talking and is getting together with him.

I kind of don't think she did either and just said that to be nice, because she would always make up excuses. Even if she didn't want me coming to her village and was keeping me secret, I could've met her in another town while she was visiting family and she definitely had plenty of opportunity to video or at least voice call. If she really wanted to, she would've.
She totally gaslit me.
Even if she did agree to talk again, IDK if it could be the same.
It's been a few weeks, and I'm also starting to think it's probably best to just move on from her, especially since she seems unbothered by losing me. I don't think she deserves me either, but a day will come when she realizes her mistake, but it will be too late. I've already started talking and trying to make connections with new people.

It's probably easier to get over someone who did something fucked up to you.

One of the last things she said that I agree with her on, is that I need to find a girl who's attracted to me.
 
Well I appreciate that.
Yeah, no shit. I thought telling her was the morally right thing to do, but apparently not.

If I'm completely honest, I think it was as well. 'Cuz if she's so paranoid about me knowing, then I doubt she would admit if it WAS the correct one.
Some of the details match up, but others don't/are contradictory, but she could've been lying before then slipped up.
Also, literally a couple days after, she posted that she and her family are planning to move within the next few months. She never mentioned anything to me about moving. She always said she doesn't have the means, now suddenly she's moving. Very strange.

She fucks up and doesn't turn off her geotags, and I'M the bad guy!

Yeah, someone who trusts you 100% as she claims, doesn't hide their location or face/voice from you for 8 years.
I sometimes felt bad for having doubts/suspicions about her, but my intuition was probably correct. I guess I just kept giving her the benefit of the doubt, because I WANTED to believe she was different from others.

I don't think she's married/taken, that would be absolutely crazy, but she's clearly hiding and being dishonest about "something".

But now that you mentioned it, I'm wondering if she could've possibly met another guy while we were talking and is getting together with him.

I kind of don't think she did either and just said that to be nice, because she would always make up excuses. Even if she didn't want me coming to her village and was keeping me secret, I could've met her in another town while she was visiting family and she definitely had plenty of opportunity to video or at least voice call. If she really wanted to, she would've.
She totally gaslit me.
Even if she did agree to talk again, IDK if it could be the same.
It's been a few weeks, and I'm also starting to think it's probably best to just move on from her, especially since she seems unbothered by losing me. I don't think she deserves me either, but a day will come when she realizes her mistake, but it will be too late. I've already started talking and trying to make connections with new people.

It's probably easier to get over someone who did something fucked up to you.

One of the last things she said that I agree with her on, is that I need to find a girl who's attracted to me.
I’m sorry to tell you that it’s not crazy that she is married or taken, it happens all the time here with both sexes or the women turn out to be men.
Only ones I trust are those who I know who they are and where they are or close enough and can confirm it through other means.
Otherwise we are just having a mutual meaningless fantasy.
Players, and your girl could also be one of those, they throw up a lot of smoke to detract you from noticing they aren’t real.
Look at actions, not just words.

I’d find someone who likes you, where you can make each other laugh, who takes your concerns seriously even if they don’t agree or understand them, like taking care of ghosts under the bed, cheering you on when you take up competive figure skating in your 30s, stuff like.

Attraction is fleeting, and much of it are accidents of birth away.
 
Well I appreciate that.
Yeah, no shit. I thought telling her was the morally right thing to do, but apparently not.

If I'm completely honest, I think it was as well. 'Cuz if she's so paranoid about me knowing, then I doubt she would admit if it WAS the correct one.
Some of the details match up, but others don't/are contradictory, but she could've been lying before then slipped up.
Also, literally a couple days after, she posted that she and her family are planning to move within the next few months. She never mentioned anything to me about moving. She always said she doesn't have the means, now suddenly she's moving. Very strange.

She fucks up and doesn't turn off her geotags, and I'M the bad guy!

Yeah, someone who trusts you 100% as she claims, doesn't hide their location or face/voice from you for 8 years.
I sometimes felt bad for having doubts/suspicions about her, but my intuition was probably correct. I guess I just kept giving her the benefit of the doubt, because I WANTED to believe she was different from others.

I don't think she's married/taken, that would be absolutely crazy, but she's clearly hiding and being dishonest about "something".

But now that you mentioned it, I'm wondering if she could've possibly met another guy while we were talking and is getting together with him.

I kind of don't think she did either and just said that to be nice, because she would always make up excuses. Even if she didn't want me coming to her village and was keeping me secret, I could've met her in another town while she was visiting family and she definitely had plenty of opportunity to video or at least voice call. If she really wanted to, she would've.
She totally gaslit me.
Even if she did agree to talk again, IDK if it could be the same.
It's been a few weeks, and I'm also starting to think it's probably best to just move on from her, especially since she seems unbothered by losing me. I don't think she deserves me either, but a day will come when she realizes her mistake, but it will be too late. I've already started talking and trying to make connections with new people.

It's probably easier to get over someone who did something fucked up to you.

One of the last things she said that I agree with her on, is that I need to find a girl who's attracted to me.
You never videoed or voice chatted???
 
You never videoed or voice chatted???
No, we didn't.
I'm pretty sure she's not married/taken. I was told some crazy theories, but that one is really out there. But I don't blame you for thinking that.

I’d find someone who likes you, where you can make each other laugh, who takes your concerns seriously even if they don’t agree or understand them, like taking care of ghosts under the bed, cheering you on when you take up competive figure skating in your 30s, stuff like.

That's how it was. But you did bring up some good points. 8 fucking years and best friends, we should've been talking outside that website. I should've been able to message her ANY time to talk. And I certainly should've known how she looks, sounds and where she lives if I was really her best friend and she really trusted me. That pisses me off

It was definitely suspicious to be so secretive and disappear for such long periods of time. She was definitely hiding/not being honest about something. I wonder if the real reason she disappeared/wouldn't chat elsewhere is so she wouldn't slip up.
But seriously, I'm fucking pissed! It's completely reasonable for me to be suspicious and want more information if we've been talking for 8 years and I was her best friend and she wouldn't even show me her fucking face or let me hear her voice! Seriously, WTF? That would raise red flags with anyone.
She's 100% hiding something, I just don't know what it is.

If your theory is true, that would be fucking insane! But there must be something to it, if multiple people were suspicious of her.
 
No, we didn't.
I'm pretty sure she's not married/taken. I was told some crazy theories, but that one is really out there. But I don't blame you for thinking that.

I’d find someone who likes you, where you can make each other laugh, who takes your concerns seriously even if they don’t agree or understand them, like taking care of ghosts under the bed, cheering you on when you take up competive figure skating in your 30s, stuff like.

That's how it was. But you did bring up some good points. 8 fucking years and best friends, we should've been talking outside that website. I should've been able to message her ANY time to talk. And I certainly should've known how she looks, sounds and where she lives if I was really her best friend and she really trusted me. That pisses me off

It was definitely suspicious to be so secretive and disappear for such long periods of time. She was definitely hiding/not being honest about something. I wonder if the real reason she disappeared/wouldn't chat elsewhere is so she wouldn't slip up.
But seriously, I'm fucking pissed! It's completely reasonable for me to be suspicious and want more information if we've been talking for 8 years and I was her best friend and she wouldn't even show me her fucking face or let me hear her voice! Seriously, WTF? That would raise red flags with anyone.
She's 100% hiding something, I just don't know what it is.

If your theory is true, that would be fucking insane! But there must be something to it, if multiple people were suspicious of her.

My money is on either she’s taken and that’s why you cant call her anytime and she disappeared for long times
Or
She’s a he and that why no voice or cam. A married he.
These things are fairly common if not the normal when something feels off here on lit.
 
My money is on either she’s taken and that’s why you cant call her anytime and she disappeared for long times
Or
She’s a he and that why no voice or cam. A married he.
These things are fairly common if not the normal when something feels off here on lit.
I didn't get any male vibe from her, so the first theory is more possible. But she was only 17 when we started talking. But it's possible she met someone after we started talking, because her vibe sort of changed.
If true that, that would mean her whole persona was a lie, and that would be a really big lie.
Another thing she wouldn't tell me is her birthday.

Either way, I see now it was a mistake to be so open with her. I should've only shared as much information as she shared with ME.
 
My money is on either she’s taken and that’s why you cant call her anytime and she disappeared for long times
Or
She’s a he and that why no voice or cam. A married he.
These things are fairly common if not the normal when something feels off here on lit.
OMG! OMG! So I just found out that she was in love with someone (possibly even in an online relationship), when we had already been talking for 2-3 years. It seemed serious 'cuz they were literally talking all day and she even wanted to move to his country to be with him. She NEVER mentioned this to me in the entire 8 years we were talking.
So she was basically lying to me when she said she never had the kind of connection with anyone, like she did with me. There were some things she posted, I thought they were about ME, but now I'm certain they were about HIM. She said she can only deeply connect with one person at a time, but clearly not. It totally explains some of her behavior online.

Suddenly, your theory doesn't sound so crazy!
 
OMG! OMG! So I just found out that she was in love with someone (possibly even in an online relationship), when we had already been talking for 2-3 years. It seemed serious 'cuz they were literally talking all day and she even wanted to move to his country to be with him. She NEVER mentioned this to me in the entire 8 years we were talking.
So she was basically lying to me when she said she never had the kind of connection with anyone, like she did with me. There were some things she posted, I thought they were about ME, but now I'm certain they were about HIM. She said she can only deeply connect with one person at a time, but clearly not. It totally explains some of her behavior online.

Suddenly, your theory doesn't sound so crazy!
I’m sorry, that’s worse than I expected. How did you find out?
 
I’m sorry, that’s worse than I expected. How did you find out?
Even worse, damn?
Her profile is public, so if I log out, I can see all her posts. I don't think she knows I can. IDK if she would've posted that otherwise.
 
To think I felt guilty for flirting with other girls. Had I known that, I wouldn't have told her I was talking to other girls.
 
No no. This was YEARS ago.
I'm sorry you had to go through a terrible experience like that. The best thing I can advise is... block her.. move on.. go out with friends, and maybe start dating again even if the first few end up badly - Coz even bad dates would take your mind off of her. - Since their honesty (or lack of it) can be seen more clearly than hers.
My best wishes to you.
 
Be careful. Might be a situation like the Yahoo Boys scammers in Nigeria with their romance schemes.
Move on, the planet has about 8 billion people, about half are women. You don’t need this complication in your life. Good luck!
 
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Sorry, but anyone who you have never met in real life, and gets freaked out about people learning their real location.... can't be trusted.

I hope you never sent them any money, because that ain't coming back to you
it is hard. so many people trying to get over on others. Id like to find someone on here, who knows
 
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