security vs. freedom

Which would you rather have Security or Freedom?

  • Security

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Freedom

    Votes: 14 93.3%
  • Hard to decide

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Total voters
    15

Todd

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se·cu·ri·ty (s-kyr-t)
n. pl. se·cu·ri·ties
1. Freedom from risk or danger; safety.
2. Freedom from doubt, anxiety, or fear; confidence.
3. Something that gives or assures safety, as:
a. A group or department of private guards: Call building security if a visitor acts suspicious.
b. Measures adopted by a government to prevent espionage, sabotage, or attack.
c. Measures adopted, as by a business or homeowner, to prevent a crime such as burglary or assault: Security was lax at the firm's smaller plant.
d. Measures adopted to prevent escape: Security in the prison is very tight.
4. Something deposited or given as assurance of the fulfillment of an obligation; a pledge.
5. One who undertakes to fulfill the obligation of another; a surety.
6. A document indicating ownership or creditorship; a stock certificate or bond.
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[Middle English securite, from Old French, from Latin scrits, from scrus, secure. See secure.]

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free·dom (frdm)
n.
1.The condition of being free of restraints.
2.Liberty of the person from slavery, detention, or oppression.
3.
a. Political independence.
b. Exemption from the arbitrary exercise of authority in the performance of a specific action; civil liberty: freedom of assembly.
4. Exemption from an unpleasant or onerous condition: freedom from want.
5.The capacity to exercise choice; free will: We have the freedom to do as we please all afternoon.
6. Ease or facility of movement: loose sports clothing, giving the wearer freedom.
7. Frankness or boldness; lack of modesty or reserve: the new freedom in movies and novels.
8.
a. The right to unrestricted use; full access: was given the freedom of their research facilities.
b. The right of enjoying all of the privileges of membership or citizenship: the freedom of the city.
9. A right or the power to engage in certain actions without control or interference: “the seductive freedoms and excesses of the picaresque form” (John W. Aldridge).
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[Middle English fredom, from Old English frodm : fro, free; see free + -dm, -dom.]
Synonyms: freedom, liberty, license
These nouns refer to the power to act, speak, or think without externally imposed restraints. Freedom is the most general term: “In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free” (Abraham Lincoln). Liberty stresses the power of free choice: “liberty, perfect liberty, to think, feel, do just as one pleases” (William Hazlitt). License sometimes denotes deliberate deviation from normally applicable rules or practices to achieve a desired effect: poetic license. Frequently, though, it denotes undue freedom: “the intolerable license with which the newspapers break... the rules of decorum” (Edmund Burke).

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Which would you rather have Security or Freedom?
 
I would rather have freedom.

Security could be locking me up in a room, providing food, water and all my needs but keeping me thier for my safety.

I would have security but I would have no freedom.
 
I would have to agree with you Todd. I would much rather have freedom. But we also need some security in our lives, but there is a point when it becomes just a bit to much....
 
Freedom allows us to provide for our own level of security needs.

Security allows for our needs to be met but our freedom to be void.
 
Give me Liberty (Freedom)

Or give me death (via the next terrorist)

Or....

Give me the Freedom to kill terrorists.
 
... i dream of freedom from inside the splendor of my silken prison ...
 
weree are all the liberals and leftists and the democrats to tell me that this pollis meaningless and that security and freedom are the same thing? ;)
 
Toddster, ye've gone loopy again...

Freedom. Period. My socio-economic and political philosophy can be summed up in exactly one sentence: Every single individual should be free to perform any action, make any statement he or she desires that brings no direct, intentional, unnecessary harm to another.

To add to that, I'll throw in a couple of quotes.

"Either you think, or else others have to think for you and take power from you, pervert and discipline your natural tastes, civilize and sterilize you."

- F. Scott Fitzgerald

Or, more germane to the topic of the post:

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"
- Benjamin Franklin
 
Yo Democrats don't you want an opinion

Hey there liberals were is your vote

Leftists let your opinion be heard.
 
And which am I Todd? Liberal, Leftist, Democrat? Extreme Conservative? Libertarian? I'm largely politically ignorant, until elections, polls and votes come up. Then I try to research everything as carefully as I can, and make my Republic-given right to vote most of the time count.
 
SpectreT said:
And which am I Todd? Liberal, Leftist, Democrat? Extreme Conservative? Libertarian? I'm largely politically ignorant, until elections, polls and votes come up. Then I try to research everything as carefully as I can, and make my Republic-given right to vote most of the time count.

I figure if you vote for fredom you can't be a liberal or a leftist or a democrat.

Why you ask me can't you be those and vote for freedom.

Because those are on the left of center those are the ones who want to give ius security by taking away our guns, those are the ones who want to give us security by talking away our money. Those are the ones who want to give us security by taking away our property.
 
...and lying home, safe in your beds

would you give it all for one chance to face your enemies and tell them, you may take our lives, but you will never take our FREEDOM!
 
Sometimes, as the song says, "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".

Would you kill for freedom? Your own? Your child's? How about that grouchy guy down the street? Would you kill for his freedom, however he defines it, with the same fervor you might kill for your own?

Would you lie to retain your freedom?

Steal?

How much does this ill-defined ideal mean to you, really?

And what do you mean by "freedom"? Can you define it for yourself, in terms of other people, in terms of a political system that could/would encompass your ideals and still maintain the infrastructure necessary to "civilized" society (for without a "civilized" society, there would be chaos - and your net access would be interrupted or removed)?

No one is being very specific, only making all the right sounds.

Be specific with your thoughts.
Be disciplined.
Say what you really think - and think about it first.

I get tired of platitudes.
 
We live by platitudes,

stereotypes, folk lore, customs...

Freedom, you are right cannot be so neatly pigeonholed,

but pigeonholing is the first step to caging it, eh?

Go Toddie, Go Toddie, Go Toddie...
 
Freedom to me is the ability to choose . . .

. . . To live drug free or to fill myself with narcotics
. . . To own a gun or not
. . . To own my own property or not
. . . To love or not to love
. . . To work or to not work
. . . To choose right or wrong and live by the consequences.
. . . To live by the results of my actions
. . . To question what is before me

Security to me is. . .

. . . To have everything taken from me so that I may not harm myself
. . . To have everything taken from me so that I may not defend myself
. . . To have everything given to me that I need, without concern
. . . To have my actions made for me without thought
. . . To blindly accept what is put before me without question


I know its simplistic, cause I am simplistic.
 
You, Me Carville,

shit, hell, man, fuck, we all dumb, shit, how else you gonna get over, ah mean everyone think de so smart, why we so stupid...






















James Carvill IS THE MASTER!
 
Am I included in your list of Duck-Billed Platitudes, cym?

I'll sum it up from a different angle:

I hate to break it to everyone, but we are free.

Free to do and say exactly as we please, until we break any of the millions of laws that we've placed in effect as a society to protect our honest citizens. And we're even free to do that, provided we're willing to face the consequenses. Because of the nature of this country, we in the USA have an almost monolithic fascination with the concept of freedom, yet we cannot define it or understand it. I shared a couple of quotes last post, and I'll not do so again. Suffice it to say, that when any restrictions are intolerably harsh, the human animal will always lash out at any opressors or repressors.

It's amazing, though, just how much shit people can take.
 
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