SecNav Fired

[Rightguide]

The entire issue is tangled up in a political/legal/reasonable morass. The entire UCMJ re. warfighting needs a reevaluation.

I was reading an article on the this subject and came across the below quote;



AP article

So what is the purpose of the military? To be a leader in lawful and ethical battlefield behavior or to kill people and break things until the enemy has neither the will or the means to resist? Which of those missions are we to emphasize because you just can't have both. This is a discussion that has to take place.

Of course there has to thresholds of acceptable behavior while at the same time we can't hamstring the war fighter by having every single action subject to review by a group of attorneys, especially when the war fighter is in close contact with the enemy and most particularly when engaged in asymmetrical warfare.

It was clear that during the Obama administration the emphasis was on "ethical and lawful behavior on the battlefield." And that emphasis was also reflected in the ROE's, ROE's that managed to get a lot of soldiers killed or maimed. ROE's that actually gave the enemy the advantage. The ROE's were easy to roll back, the courtroom barrister attitude towards warfare not so much.

At the same time we can't allow a "kill them all let God sort them out" attitude to prevail on the battlefield either. And most particularly in asymmetric warfare scenario's. And that's why a reevaluation needs to take place.

FDR and every American field commander in WWII and since would be tried for war crimes under Barack Obama's asinine ROE's

 

[phrodeau]

Trump’s promised torture plans were thankfully scotched by the Senate, and none of his nominees supporting torture were confirmed.

 

[Rightguide]

Trump’s promised torture plans were thankfully scotched by the Senate, and none of his nominees supporting torture were confirmed.

^^^

Another hallucination

 

[bellisarius]

FDR and every American field commander in WWII and since would be tried for war crimes under Barack Obama's asinine ROE's

Pretty much the case.

 

[phrodeau]

^^^

Another hallucination

Really? Are we torturing then? Trump said that he would bring back waterboarding and much worse.

 

[Rightguide]

Really? Are we torturing then? Trump said that he would bring back waterboarding and much worse.

Did he?

 

[phrodeau]

Did he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-9YCsaW9tc

 

[heathergives]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-9YCsaW9tc

However tossing gays from the roofs of buildings, decapitating journalists and social workers; raping, enslaving and eventually killing Christian women and incinerating soldiers while enclosed in cages is ok, I guess.

Waterboarding is mild by comparison.

I guess it's all relative.

 

[phrodeau]

However tossing gays from the roofs of buildings, decapitating journalists and social workers; raping, enslaving and eventually killing Christian women and incinerating soldiers while enclosed in cages is ok, I guess.

Waterboarding is mild by comparison.

I guess it's all relative.

Much worse is what Trump promised, and those sound like it.

 

[heathergives]

Much worse is what Trump promised, and those sound like it.

You must have finished that 5th of whisky by now, or else you would never have posted such nonsense.

I thought that you were better than that.

 

[phrodeau]

You must have finished that 5th of whisky by now, or else you would never have posted such nonsense.

I thought that you were better than that.

I posted the President’s own words, nonsense though they are.

 

[colddiesel]

It is not surprising that Trump sought to make political capital out of this case. All politicians tend to in such cases.

It is not surprising that the Brass sought to maintain due process.

It is not surprising that the jury found Gallagher not guilty of the major charges.

It is not surprising they sought to get rid of Gallagher following the minor guilty count.

What is surprising - no - absolutely fucking amazing, is that members of Gallagher's own unit were prepared discard personal loyalty and firstly, to dob him in and secondly, to give evidence against him.That is utterly incomprehensible in almost any Army, let alone an elite unit like this.

And why that happened is a story most unlikely to be told. Ever.

My own 20 years in the Army, saw some pretty unspeakable events. Which remained unspoken.

 

[heathergives]

It is not surprising that Trump sought to make political capital out of this case. All politicians tend to in such cases.

It is not surprising that the Brass sought to maintain due process.

It is not surprising that the jury found Gallagher not guilty of the major charges.

It is not surprising they sought to get rid of Gallagher following the minor guilty count.

What is surprising - no - absolutely fucking amazing, is that members of Gallagher's own unit were prepared discard personal loyalty and firstly, to dob him in and secondly, to give evidence against him.That is utterly incomprehensible in almost any Army, let alone an elite unit like this.

And why that happened is a story most unlikely to be told. Ever.

My own 20 years in the Army, saw some pretty unspeakable events. Which remained unspoken.

My late Dad said something similar, God bless Hm.

 

[_mattycatfish]

It is not surprising that Trump sought to make political capital out of this case. All politicians tend to in such cases.

It is not surprising that the Brass sought to maintain due process.

It is not surprising that the jury found Gallagher not guilty of the major charges.

It is not surprising they sought to get rid of Gallagher following the minor guilty count.

What is surprising - no - absolutely fucking amazing, is that members of Gallagher's own unit were prepared discard personal loyalty and firstly, to dob him in and secondly, to give evidence against him.That is utterly incomprehensible in almost any Army, let alone an elite unit like this.

And why that happened is a story most unlikely to be told. Ever.

My own 20 years in the Army, saw some pretty unspeakable events. Which remained unspoken.

And that reflects pretty awfully on you and your lack of respect for the law of the country you served, or personal integrity.

But fair play to you for fessing up.

 

[colddiesel]

And that reflects pretty awfully on you and your lack of respect for the law of the country you served, or personal integrity.

But fair play to you for fessing up.

And you cannot resist the temptation to be a judgemental no nothing twat.

You simply have no conception of the ties that bind men who are trained to support, fight alongside and perhaps sacrifice themselves for their colleagues. So take your snotty arm chair morality and shove it where the sun don't shine.

 

[jaF0]

People that intentionally withhold evidence of criminal actions should be in prison.

We have the same problem with cops who refuse to testify against others due to a misguided sense of 'brotherhood'. Screw that.

 

[phrodeau]

From Richard Spencer’s WaPo op-ed: “Our system of military justice has helped build the world’s most powerful navy; good leaders get promoted, bad ones get moved out and criminals are punished.”

So does Trump get moved out or punished?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

And that reflects pretty awfully on you and your lack of respect for the law of the country you served, or personal integrity.

But fair play to you for fessing up.

People that intentionally withhold evidence of criminal actions should be in prison.

We have the same problem with cops who refuse to testify against others due to a misguided sense of 'brotherhood'. Screw that.

His fellow Navy servicemen decided to respect the law and not be monsters like he was, his higher-ups decided to take the moral road and follow military law, and here are Trump and his right wingtard Trumpanzee brigade, all ready to shit on the law in defense of Trump and racism.

Lawless hooligans, the lot of them.

 

[Rightguide]

From Richard Spencer’s WaPo op-ed: “Our system of military justice has helped build the world’s most powerful navy; good leaders get promoted, bad ones get moved out and criminals are punished.”

So does Trump get moved out or punished?

He was falsely charged with murder and finally convicted of having his picture taken with a group of other SEALS beside a dead enemy body. Something hundreds of thousand of other combat vets have done in previous wars, Big fucking deal.