Search For Life Next

R. Richard

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The following article is the scientific take on recent discoveries in space. Now for the political take:

Senator Foghbound: We should rejoice if we find life on other planets.
Reporter: Because of the diversity, the new things that we can learn?

F: No, because the possible residents of those other planets are not yet paying taxes into the US governmental budget process.
R: But, the residetns of other planets can't vote in US elections and one of the foundations of the American way is no taxes without representation.

F: Well, I will represent the residents of other planets, at least those residents who file their 1040s.
R: How can you represent people you have never met, people who are a long way away?

F: Hell, I am doing it right now with the people back in my home district!
R: BOHICA!

Swiss scientist: Search for life next

GENEVA - Swiss scientist Michel Mayor, who heads the European team that announced the discovery of a new potentially habitable planet, has his sights set on an even bigger target, detecting signs of extraterrestrial life.

Mayor predicts that top researchers are less than two decades away from being able to detect real signs of such life — if it exists.

"There's only one thing we can do. We can do science, we can do experiments. We have the methodology, the ability to do this simply on science, so let's do it," the University of Geneva scientist said Wednesday.

Mayor, who was credited in 1995 with co-finding the first planets outside our solar system, said the scientist in him was unsure of the presence of other life forms in our universe. "But, personally, I feel comfortable with the idea of life existing elsewhere," the 65-year-old said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.

Leading astronomers are describing the discovery of the new planet as a big step in the search for life in the universe because it is just the right size, might have water in liquid form, and in galactic terms is relatively nearby at 120 trillion miles away.

But there is still a lot that is unknown about the new planet, named 581 c, discovered by the European Southern Observatory's telescope in La Silla, Chile. The telescope, which Mayor helped design, has a special instrument that splits light to find wobbles in different wave lengths, revealing the possible existence of other worlds.

"It is an absolutely fantastic instrument with great precision," Mayor said, but added that the planet's diameter, atmospheric makeup and contents have yet to be confirmed.

Stephane Udry, the discovery team's lead author also based in Geneva, speculated that the new planet is probably full of liquid water, but conceded that he bases the conjecture on how planets form, not on any evidence.

Mayor said many more planets meeting scientists' requirements for habitability would be found, but that that the most significant short-term discovery would be that of a low-mass planet even more similar to Earth. 581 c is about five times heavier than our planet, but is still the smallest found exoplanet, or one that is outside our solar system.

Switzerland, which takes pride in its achievements in engineering and biotechnology, feted the role of Mayor and Udry in the discovery.

"Swiss scientist discovers new Earth," the Zurich-based tabloid Blick declared next to a picture of Udry.

The daily Tribune de Geneve also praised the scientists, but couldn't help taking a shot at the world's traditional leaders in the study of the cosmos_ the United States.

"American scientists recently estimated that the discovery of an exoplanet resembling the Earth would probably take 20 years," it wrote. "The Europeans didn't wait for them."

Mayor predicted that NASA's Terrestrial Planet Finder and the European Space Agency's Darwin satellite would make increasingly significant contributions in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

He said these institutions will be able to directly look for "signatures of life" on other planets, similar to the high presence of oxygen in our atmosphere, within 15 to 20 years.
 
I read this yesterday or the day before. Intriguing. What's your take, R.R.? I think it's vain for us to think we are not alone. However, I also think it's ridiculous to think we will find life as we know it and certainly in our lifetimes.

It brings to mind sci-fi - lol - Aliens in sci-fi always seek out earth, but if aliens are that intelligent, wouldn't they want to avoid earth? :D
 
CharleyH said:
It brings to mind sci-fi - lol - Aliens in sci-fi always seek out earth, but if aliens are that intelligent, wouldn't they want to avoid earth? :D
Indeed. Especially since we're made out of meat.
 
CharleyH said:
I read this yesterday or the day before. Intriguing. What's your take, R.R.? I think it's vain for us to think we are not alone. However, I also think it's ridiculous to think we will find life as we know it and certainly in our lifetimes.

It brings to mind sci-fi - lol - Aliens in sci-fi always seek out earth, but if aliens are that intelligent, wouldn't they want to avoid earth? :D

There are only two possibilities: 1) We are alone. 2) There are other life forms, possibly intelligent somewhere in the universe.

If we are alone, then at least we know that we are alone and we can continue to do the best we can. If there are other life forms elsewhere in the universe, then a lot of our thinking will have to be reviewed. If there are other intelligent life forms, then past experience tells us that we will learn valuable things from them and they will learn valuable things from us.

The possibility for enormous gain is too great to abandon the search. Then again, there is enormous danger. There was a think tank study of the possibilities of intelligent alien contact. The study was based upon previous Earthbound contacts with new civilizations. The conclusion was that there were probably intelligent civilizations within our galaxy. A substantial percentage of the possible civilizations would want to destroy us.
 
R. Richard said:
There are only two possibilities: 1) We are alone. 2) There are other life forms, possibly intelligent somewhere in the universe.

If we are alone, then at least we know that we are alone and we can continue to do the best we can. If there are other life forms elsewhere in the universe, then a lot of our thinking will have to be reviewed. If there are other intelligent life forms, then past experience tells us that we will learn valuable things from them and they will learn valuable things from us.

The possibility for enormous gain is too great to abandon the search. Then again, there is enormous danger. There was a think tank study of the possibilities of intelligent alien contact. The study was based upon previous Earthbound contacts with new civilizations. The conclusion was that there were probably intelligent civilizations within our galaxy. A substantial percentage of the possible civilizations would want to destroy us.
In honesty, I find it hard to believe we are alone in the universe, and apparently many religions agree through various Gods ... I am in NO WAY religious (aside from the fact I enjoy mythology) but only religiously thinking would we have to rethink science .. no? Science is science - if life happens here then life probably happens elsewhere ... scientifically. I have no doubt that there is life on other planets, now whether it is the same as life on earth?

I always thought a most interesting sci-fi would be the people of earth invading another planet - it does seem more likely than another planet invading us ala "War of the Worlds." :D
 
CharleyH said:
I always thought a most interesting sci-fi would be the people of earth invading another planet - it does seem more likely than another planet invading us ala "War of the Worlds." :D

The idea of one planet invading another is a pervasive theme of scifi movies. However, it is not very realisitic. You have a planet with several billion people on it being invaded by a very few aliens who travelled at least 100 light years in a space ship. Even if the aliens possess weapoms of enormous power, they would be overwhelmed by sheer force of numbers. [If you think racial prejudice is bad, what about alien prejudice?]
 
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