Science or Say so?

[JackLuis]

I see this question being asked in many different ways. I here no answers, that actually make sense, most are deflections of the question.

Marijuana Is Safer — So Why Are We Driving People To Drink?

You would think that our elected officials, as highly educated and experienced as they are, would be able to read the science and determine that "Weed" is a minor problem in and of itself, while alcohol is a toxic substance to both the body and the society?

Is it the money that comes from "Big Tobacco and Big Liquor" to their campaigns? Are our elected officials really so corrupt? Combined or separate "A&T" kill more people every year than three 9/11's, so why are we so pissed at the ragheads?

Is it because 9/11 was an attack on Wall Street, and the shulbs that die from "A&T" are just the great unwashed, expendable?

Yet the Government refutes all science on the issue and refuses to deal with the issue rationally. There must be a reason?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Pot creates lotsa jobs for lawyers. If pot were legal it wouldnt make a dime for them.

 

[lovecraft68]

I see this question being asked in many different ways. I here no answers, that actually make sense, most are deflections of the question.



You would think that our elected officials, as highly educated and experienced as they are, would be able to read the science and determine that "Weed" is a minor problem in and of itself, while alcohol is a toxic substance to both the body and the society?

Is it the money that comes from "Big Tobacco and Big Liquor" to their campaigns? Are our elected officials really so corrupt? Combined or separate "A&T" kill more people every year than three 9/11's, so why are we so pissed at the ragheads?

Is it because 9/11 was an attack on Wall Street, and the shulbs that die from "A&T" are just the great unwashed, expendable?

Yet the Government refutes all science on the issue and refuses to deal with the issue rationally. There must be a reason?

Coming for a family of alcoholics I am a believer in that alcohol has always been the most dangerous drug because it is legal. What stops it from being made illegal, well besides politicians and lobbyists, is that there are people who can drink and enjoy responsibly.

I have never smoked but it has always pissed me off the way nicotine is targeted more than Liquor (no one has ever killed anyone from smoking and driving.) and marijuana which is a mind altering substance.

But like I said if you take booze away from the irresponsible and the "diseased" how is that fair to the rest of us?

Personally I don;t want to hear any bitching about booze when we are now making pot legal. The alleged sick people that need this drug for medicinal purposes will be selling this on the street and making a secondary income.

people who smoke pot on a regular basis are as weak willed and spineless as the people who need to drink to forget their problems. It's just another form of our vastly over medicated run from reality generation.

 

[3113]

Yet the Government refutes all science on the issue and refuses to deal with the issue rationally. There must be a reason?

It's both easy and complicated. You see, back during prohibition all these people got paid to go after bootleggers. Then prohibition was repealed. But these guys still wanted their task force and their money, not to have them disbanded. So marijuana became the demon weed, illegal and a way to keep money in people's pockets for chasing down dealers and users.

Misinformation was essential for keeping this going and created such huge myths that they've been hard to kill. Even after killing them, however, the "superstition" that goes with such myths carries on. It's rather like our puritan ethics. There's no reason to fear pictures of naked breasts on television, yet the flash of one sends everyone into a tizzy, fearing what damage might have been done to their children.

Things like wine and champagne, let us remember, relate to elegance, the ruling class, good taste and money. Beer relates to the hard-working blue collar folk. It's only the gin and whiskey that can be looked at as funny and dangerous. So the majority of alcoholic drinks have a positive reputation however false that image may be in reality. Liquor has been so acceptable for so long that it had people breaking prohibition laws en masse.

Pot, on the other hand, has always been mysterious. People didn't smoke it casually and in public--and (Founding Fathers like George Washington and Jefferson aside) it's seen as being used by deviants and those evil minorities (like beatnik poets and black jazz musicians). It carries a stigma, and any politician that questions it looks like he's in league with the deviants, with hippies and rebels and criminals. It doesn't "feel" lawful and above board like a glass of wine. So even though the facts indicate it's less harmless than alcohol, it can't get a break.

 

[Weird Harold]

You would think that our elected officials, as highly educated and experienced as they are, would be able to read the science and determine that "Weed" is a minor problem in and of itself, while alcohol is a toxic substance to both the body and the society?

1: As far as I can see, there is no unbiased science regarding weed, alchohol, tobacco, or any other drug.

2: Banning things is always easier to sell to the masses than banning actions.

3: Illlegal transactions are almost always more profitible than the the same transactions would be if legal and sensibly regulated.

4: People are prone, as illustrated by replies to this thread, to "knowing what they know" and no amount of fact or reality is going to confuse them.

5: insofar as any substance or object is a danger to public health and safety, it is generally because of actions that the users/sellers of such sunbstance indulge in. Drinking and driving, Driving while impaired, turf wars, theft to support a habit at black market prices, domestic violence, etc. Laws that don't address the actions don't work; we learned that lesson about alcohol with Prohibition, but don't seem to be able to accept the general truth.

 

[lesliecannon]

Coming for a family of alcoholics I am a believer in that alcohol has always been the most dangerous drug because it is legal. What stops it from being made illegal, well besides politicians and lobbyists, is that there are people who can drink and enjoy responsibly.

I have never smoked but it has always pissed me off the way nicotine is targeted more than Liquor (no one has ever killed anyone from smoking and driving.) and marijuana which is a mind altering substance.


Personally I don;t want to hear any bitching about booze when we are now making pot legal. The alleged sick people that need this drug for medicinal purposes will be selling this on the street and making a secondary income.

I drink (responsibly), smoke and used to smoke pot.

In my state pot is illegal, so its not legal for everyone! I know some people that could get it for medical reasons- cancer (it slows the growth of cells down) and Chron's disease ( very painful) and also for severe cases of ADHD. Arthritis even-- it can reduce inflammation of the joints!

I do understand the differences between medical and recreational and the abuse of alcohol and pot. I was reading somewhere else that "Pot is a gateway drug" yes it is.... to the refrigerator!! which is the truth. Not everybody that smokes it will go to anything else because they do not abuse it. You and your brain cannot get addicted to it-- just the feeling, and not all drugs will give you that feeling.

Alcohol and cigarettes on the other hand have natural and synthetic chemicals that are added to make you crave more... well cigarettes do not alcohol. I think alcoholism is genetics, I can drink a fifth of malibu in shots and not be affected, I know that I am from a family of alcoholics.

The big to do over cigarettes is from the general public non smokers that didn't want lung cancer.... don't go outside and breath then!! All the pollution in the air will give you lung cancer! Anyway.....

That's my look at it....

 

[JackLuis]

Duplicate post.

 

[JackLuis]

Speaking from vast experience, booze and tobacco users do more damage than the 12 million who are spaced out and surfing the net everyday.

MJ is big business and highly profitable. If legalized, every Farmer with a seed will flood the market and price will drop to just above the exorbitant tax's levied. If the tax is "$50 an oz." as has been bandied about in California, there will be a flood of homegrown that will cause that golden goose to fade like the goldfields.

I suggest the price will stabilize at ~$10 an oz for 'good stuff' and $75 for exotics.