Scenes that end in death

[WriterDom]

I came across this board while looking for something else. Yes, I know it is a Christian board.


A lot of the comments are laughable. And not all are negative.

Do you believe the four deaths decribed below actually happened or is she making this up?

I tend to believe her. In a city the size of LA, I could see PYL's that try something stupid or don't have to skill set to pull off and submissives die.



http://forums.christianity.com/html/P693107


Also I do not preside over deaths but yes I am sometimes there when a passing occurs - I'm the one that gets called after the fact and sits by the hospital beds and listens to the dominants that have the guts to stick around cry and tell their story of how it all went wrong - as for the ones who are dumped by thier dominanats - which is very common in the lifesyle once they are disfigured or of no use to them anymore - I work with them and aid them into finding homes and jobs and some sort of semblance of a life. BDSM is nothing new.

Let me give you a few examples that I can actually post and you tell me if you think they could have happened another way.

A submissive slips in a suspension brace and is hanged because the dominant wanted the submissive to learn not to struggle against the brace.

A submissive bound, gagged and placed in a full face hood vomits but because the gag is in place she cannot expel it - the dominant being 'lost in the moment' is unaware the submissive is in trouble and the submissive drowns.

A new to the lifestyle dominant sees a fireplay demonstration at a local club and wants to try it out - unfortunatly he tries it out on the bed at home and the submissive is burned to death when the bed ignites and they cant get the submissive out of the restraints in time.

A submissive falls onto a cement basement floor head first when a suspension rope that is worn out breaks, the dominant had gone upstairs to use the restroom - the submissive's skull is fractured and scalp is open - the submissive is left dangling by one foot which causes the blood to flow faster and out of the wound. The dominant panics upon return and runs back upstairs to call paramedics leaving the submissive hanging upside down and bleeding to death. And these are only a few examples and it is not a matter of "well if they had done this or that differently' - the fact is they were engaged in BDSM play and someone died because of it.

 

[NCShin]

sorry don't believe any of it is true.....

no one, dominant or not will take the things described lightly. I sometimes feel like a saftey nut, but actually I don't think I am. I think that anyone who is planning to do any form of play that is described is going to be quite careful.

I'd for one never leave a submissive suspended upside fown in a basement. I'd never leave her bound in a room I was not in. I can't imagine that even a badly fryed rope would break. Most ropes used are meant to carry much heavier weights than a single person. While I've never suspended anyone (yet) Most pictures that I've seen the person is held up by multible ropes.

I can't think of a reason for vomiting in the example shown. Can't imagine what would burn hot and fast enough to kill someone.

All of the examples are based on said dominant making at least 2 errors. 1) The carelessness of the error that caused the suposed injury. 2) Reacting in a way that did not help the situation.

IF, (huge if there) Someone is bleeding from a head wound and hanging upside down. Instinct in most people will be to lift their head up and get them on the ground laying down with their head raised.

This would be VERY basic first aid.

IF for some reason a fire was lit in a bed where someone was tied and not able to get up, Instict would dictate trying to get the fire out. Blankets smuther fire quite well, and it takes a long time for someone to burn to death.

Drowning can't be a pleasant death. I'd HAVE to imagine you'd fight and thrash and cunvulse. Even the newest dom, the least educated person, the least observant, the most selfish dominant would be able to sense something wrong with that situation.

The hanging i see as the most plausable. But even still, I see it as a made up story against BDSM. An ounce of research (nevermind common sense) will teach you to not tie ropes around someone's neck.

 

[WriterDom]

Yes, and I think if someone burned tied up in a bed, it would at least make the LA news if not national.

 

[cellis]

Yes, and I think if someone burned tied up in a bed, it would at least make the LA news if not national.

And then they would make a movie of the week out of it!

 

[WriterDom]

And then they would make a movie of the week out of it!

slavemaster hasn't gotten his movie yet.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (Reuters) -

"Law enforcement officials were searching for more bodies on Tuesday after identifying a Kansas man known on the Internet as the 'slavemaster' as a suspect in the deaths of two women whose remains were found buried in 55-gallon drums over the weekend. Law enforcement officials said they were not sure how many more bodies might be discovered, if any, but they were planning to drain a rural Kansas pond on Tuesday afternoon to look for more victims."

 

[sexymom]

I think bdsm has more than its share of guys- no- people- who don't have a clue, but won't admit it. These accidents do happen, and they are occasionally publicized despite everyone's attempts to cover them up. The only solution is education- somehow, we need to make people aware of what bdsm is, and how it can be done with acceptable safety (nothing is perfectly safe).

I have never been involved in suspension, but it is an interest of mine and my Master's, so I have read a lot about it, and we have attended a demonstration. I was impressed with how careful the Master was at the demonstration. I wondered, though, how many other people use the same level of care.

 

[WriterDom]

I think bdsm has more than its share of guys- no- people- who don't have a clue, but won't admit it. These accidents do happen, and they are occasionally publicized despite everyone's attempts to cover them up. The only solution is education- somehow, we need to make people aware of what bdsm is, and how it can be done with acceptable safety (nothing is perfectly safe).

I have never been involved in suspension, but it is an interest of mine and my Master's, so I have read a lot about it, and we have attended a demonstration. I was impressed with how careful the Master was at the demonstration. I wondered, though, how many other people use the same level of care.

We have a responsibility to bring up safety concerns from time to time. There are a lot of green subs coming into the lifestyle from this site and other places, and it isn't talked about much, but there has to be green Doms also who want the knowledge.

And I think we can all agree there are instant Doms who are looking for easy sex.

I hope I'm not seeming too paranoid. The PYLs we have here are a good group, as are the majority of Dom/mes I have come across.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

"Readthe book" has forgotten how many Christian men believe they have dominion over their wives based on the Book, but then anyone that has an avatar of a pig getting it's tail yanked on a Christian board doesn't have a clue.

"Bruised Lily" needs a session with DVS.

To each their own, and let them stand before their God and explain it when the time comes.

 

[Netzach]

I'm buying it. But if you stack it up against the nice Christian patriarchal households like the Mormon couple making headlines where someone winds up stabbed to death in her sleep....

I'd rather take my chances marrying a pervert than a fundamentalist.

 

[WriterDom]

I'm buying it. But if you stack it up against the nice Christian patriarchal households like the Mormon couple making headlines where someone winds up stabbed to death in her sleep....

I'd rather take my chances marrying a pervert than a fundamentalist.

Yeah, I knew a Mormon whose hubby fucked her up so bad she didn't speak for a year. Then after the divorce, he raped her and the church didn't want to hear about it.

She was a damn fine fuck too, even if she did have 4 kids. Sure didn't look like it.

 

[Evaleastaristev]

All of those examples I believe could happen, and more than likely they have happened. People can be stupid. It's a fact of life, and there's really nothing that we can do to get rid of that sort of thing completely. About all we can do is make sure that we educate people better, and hope for the best.

NCShin - IMO, if you think outside of what was put down, there are plenty of reasons, none of them good, for these deaths to have occured. Granted, taken as they are, there's really no reason for any of it to happen, but take an example. The girl who vomited....we have no idea if she was perhaps sick, or had some reason out side of play for her to vomit.

 

[fallon2]

Of course

Of course it happens . . all the time. But we just see it on the news or in the newspapers.

It happens when the Master is drunk, high or careless and definitely not in charge.

Where is the care, concern or responsibility for the sub?

Responsibilty and respect for the sub will Never end in death.
Of course it happens all the time.

 

[bridgeburner]

Having just received an email about the Darwin awards I don't doubt that any of those things could have happened.

Of course it doesn't compare to the number of people killed in auto accidents every year through stupidity, bad judgement, inattention and just plain bad luck.

On a more similar note there's bungee jumping, scuba diving, rock climbing, parasailing, surfing, motorcross, NASCAR, mountain biking, skateboarding etc. All are recreational activities that carry some risk and require certain precautions to be taken.

The only difference I see is that BDsM practitioners are going to take more flak for their mishaps than Vanilla folks because they're outside the norm.

-B

 

[bridgeburner]

Hell, there's drinking in bars and that's plenty dangerous enough on a Saturday night.


-B

 

[Kajira Callista]

I agree with BB...alot of things people do end in accidental death. Maybe that chick should have done a comparison of "normal vanilla stupidity" and BDSM mishaps.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... The only difference I see is that BDsM practitioners are going to take more flak for their mishaps than Vanilla folks because they're outside the norm.

-B

Gong ... No m'lady, they take flak because this is by God 'Merica where you can slice, dice, shoot, and any other means of mayhem something outside your skin with the intention of doing violence, and that's the 'Merican Way. Add sex to the mix and the same bubbas turn into puritanical preachers that pontificate until you implode. Then again, that's ok in their book because it's all about violence, not sex.

 

[WriterDom]

And there is way too much abuse in the USA. People don't bother to learn enough about us, and hang that label on bdsm. It took years for the feminists to begin accepting it.

Usually you'll see comments like "the women really don't like it, and are just doing it to please the man."

Yeah, right. Sell that to kc.

 

[Vixandra]

Usually you'll see comments like "the women really don't like it, and are just doing it to please the man."

Yeah, right. Sell that to kc.

And what about the male subs?

And in today's world- why be involved in something like that if you don't like it? If its not welcome, then its abuse, rape and aggrivated assault- something to call the cops over.

What's fun is to get the holy rollers going off on Pagan BDSM'ers. They hate those of us who live out side thier teachings more then the BDSM'ers I think.

 

[WriterDom]

And what about the male subs?

And in today's world- why be involved in something like that if you don't like it? If its not welcome, then its abuse, rape and aggrivated assault- something to call the cops over.

What's fun is to get the holy rollers going off on Pagan BDSM'ers. They hate those of us who live out side thier teachings more then the BDSM'ers I think.

I don't think they'd get past the word Pagan no matter what you typed after.

 

[NCShin]

the thing that i think would be MOST likely would be death by asphyxiation and that was not in her examples.

I guess that in my mind that takes away from the validity of her post.

As someone else brought up, some of them would make the news at LEAST locally. Show me ONE newspaper clipping from anywhere that a submissive died while bound in bed and engaging in fire play related to BDSM and then I'll believe that SHE saw one wherever she lives.

I'm not saying it could never happen, I just don't think she's been involved in everything she says. Once i don't believe all of it I can't believe any of it.

 

[Kajira Callista]

And what about the male subs?

And in today's world- why be involved in something like that if you don't like it? If its not welcome, then its abuse, rape and aggrivated assault- something to call the cops over.

What's fun is to get the holy rollers going off on Pagan BDSM'ers. They hate those of us who live out side thier teachings more then the BDSM'ers I think.

We actually arent living outside their teachings. Take a min. to think bible and the actually words in the bible. The people who are judging us are doing more religious rule breaking then any of us are. Not to scare anyone but im a little on the religious side lol. No one has a right to judge a person that was created by their God... because in the end they too will be judged. Thats what gives me my peace.

 

[navarre]

We actually arent living outside their teachings. Take a min. to think bible and the actually words in the bible. The people who are judging us are doing more religious rule breaking then any of us are. Not to scare anyone but im a little on the religious side lol. No one has a right to judge a person that was created by their God... because in the end they too will be judged. Thats what gives me my peace.

Smart girl.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Smart girl.

sometimes.

 

[bridgeburner]

A,

I understand and even share your vehemence but you didn't contradict anything I said.

Then again, that's ok in their book because it's all about violence, not sex.

Yep, and to which I give the same response as when folks claim that rape is about violence but not sex: bullshit.

Fighting, fucking, feeding - deny your primitive impulses at your peril.


-B

 

[Technodivinitas]

~Trying to catch up after vacation~

Looking at all of this reminds me yet again that we are walking a parallel line with the Gay & Lesbian communities, (recognizing that some of us are walking both hard roads at the same time,) except that the BDsM community/lifestyle is more than a few steps behind in the race for acceptance.

Let's alla us 'Mericans not forget that the whole AIDS epidemic is the fault o' them thar homo-SEC-tuals, not to mention how them freaks is tearing down the fine God-fearing institution o' marriage, where a man can drink a sixpack an' beat his wife, jus' like in th' Bible!

~insert sarcasm, just in case anyone missed it...~

Sure- I believe all of the examples could happen, whether any of them did or not. But, (once again chiming in with the crowd here,) they would be the result of ignorance, carelessness, and an obvious lack of exposure to the BDsM community! (Whoop- likely to get me started on that Jeffrey Dahmer tangent again...)