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[size=0.5]I never thought of myself as a writer about religion until a religion came after me. Religion was a part of my subject, of course; for a novelist from the Indian subcontinent, how could it not have been? But in my opinion I also had many other, larger, tastier fish to fry. Nevertheless, when the attack came, I had to confront what was confronting me, and to decide what I wanted to stand up for in the face of what so vociferously, repressively and violently stood against me. Now, 16 years later, religion is coming after us all, and even though most of us probably feel, as I once did, that we have other, more important concerns, we are all going to have to confront the challenge. If we fail, this particular fish may end up frying us.
For those of us who grew up in India in the aftermath of the partition riots in 1947, the shadow of that slaughter has remained as a dreadful warning of what men will do in the name of God. And there have been too many recurrences of such violence, in Meerut, in Assam, most recently in Gujarat. European history, too, is littered with proofs of the dangers of politicised religion: the French wars of religion, the bitter Irish troubles, the "Catholic nationalism" of the fascistic Spanish dictator Franco, and the rival armies in the English civil war going into battle, both singing the same hymns.

People have always turned to religion for the answers to the two great questions of life: where did we come from? And, how shall we live? But on the question of origins, all religions are simply wrong. No, the universe wasn't created in six days by a superforce that rested on the seventh. Nor was it churned into being by a sky-god with a giant churn. And on the social question, the simple truth is that wherever religions get into society's driving seat, tyranny results. The Inquisition results. Or the Taliban.

And yet religions continue to insist that they provide special access to ethical truths, and consequently deserve special treatment and protection. And they continue to emerge from the world of private life, where they belong, like so many other things that are acceptable when done in private between consenting adults but unacceptable in the town square, and to bid for power. The emergence of radical Islam needs no re-description here; but the resurgence of faith is a larger subject than that.

In today's US, it's possible for almost anyone - women, gays, African-Americans, Jews - to run for, and be elected to, high office. But a professed atheist wouldn't stand a popcorn's chance in hell. Hence the increasingly sanctimonious quality of so much American political discourse: the president, according to Bob Woodward, sees himself as a "messenger" doing "the Lord's will", and "moral values" has become a code phrase for old-fashioned, anti-gay, anti-abortion bigotry. The defeated Democrats also seem to be scurrying towards this kind of low ground, perhaps despairing of ever winning an election any other way.

According to Jacques Delors, ex-president of the European Commission, "The clash between those who believe and those who don't believe will be a dominant aspect of relations between the US and Europe in the coming years." In Europe, the bombing of a railway station in Madrid and the murder of the Dutch film-maker Theo van Gogh are being seen as warnings that the secular principles that underlie any humanist democracy need to be defended and reinforced. Even before these atrocities occurred, the French decision to ban religious attire such as Islamic headscarves from state schools had the support of the entire political spectrum. Islamist demands for segregated classes and prayer breaks were also rejected. Few Europeans today call themselves religious (just 21%, according to a recent study); the majority of Americans do (59%, according to the Pew Forum). The Enlightenment, in Europe, represented an escape from the power of religion to place limiting points on thought; in America, it represented an escape into the religious freedom of the New World - a move towards faith rather than away from it. Many Europeans now view the American combination of religion and nationalism as frightening.

The exception to European secularism can be found in Britain, or at least in the government of the devoutly Christian and increasingly authoritarian Tony Blair, which is presently trying to steamroller parliament into passing a law against "incitement to religious hatred", in a cynical vote-getting attempt to placate British Muslim spokesmen, in whose eyes just about any critique of Islam is offensive.

Journalists, lawyers and a long list of public figures have warned that this law will dramatically hinder free speech and fail to meet its objective - that religious disturbances will increase rather than diminish. Blair's government seems to view the whole subject of civil liberties with disdain - what do freedoms matter, hard-won and long-cherished though they may be, when set against the requirements of a government facing re-election?

And yet the Blairite policy of appeasement must be defeated. Perhaps the House of Lords will do what the Commons failed to do, and send this bad law to the scrapheap. And - though this is more unlikely - maybe America's Democrats will come to understand that in today's 50-50 America they may actually have more to gain by standing up against the Christian coalition and its fellow travellers and cohorts, and refusing to let the Mel Gibson view of the world shape American social and political policy. If these things do not happen, if America and Britain allow religious faith to control and dominate public discourse, then the western alliance will be placed under ever-increasing strain, and those other religionists, the ones against whom we're supposed to be fighting, will have great cause to celebrate.

Victor Hugo wrote: "There is in every village a torch: the schoolmaster - and an extinguisher: the parson." We need more teachers and less priests in our lives; because, as James Joyce once said, "There is no heresy or no philosophy which is so abhorrent to the church as a human being." But perhaps the great American lawyer Clarence Darrow put the secularist argument best of all. "I don't believe in God," he said, "because I don't believe in Mother Goose."

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rgraham666 said:
Salman Rushdie. That column was in one of out local papers yesterday.

Thanks, Rob. Obvious, now you've told me.
 
rgraham666 said:
Salman Rushdie. That column was in one of out local papers yesterday.
Which local papers were they?

Don't tell the Muslems that I post on this board. Remember they issued Fahtwah on my life?
 
The Toronto Star. Sunday March 13 edition.

The problem with religion, in fact with all the philosophical tools we humans create, is that they quickly morph into ideologies.

And as that rather clever line I came up with states, ideology is not about being good, but about being right.

It's quite amazing what you can do when you're right. Ask Stalin, or Hitler, or Pol Pot, or Pinochet, or Mao, or Franco, or Mugabe, or Torquemada, or Khomenei… the list is endless
 
rgraham666 said:
The Toronto Star. Sunday March 13 edition.
That's strange. I wrote it for tomorrow's the Guardian G2.

Must be the time-zone difference.
 
Even before these atrocities occurred, the French decision to ban religious attire such as Islamic headscarves from state schools had the support of the entire political spectrum. Islamist demands for segregated classes and prayer breaks were also rejected.

I guess I am American... refusing to allow someone to wear a religious accrutement?

Interesting way not to antagonize a minority.

*shrug*

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
elsol said:
I guess I am American... refusing to allow someone to wear a religious accrutement?

Interesting way not to antagonize a minority.

*shrug*

Sincerely,
ElSol

French schools are secular. The wearing of headscarves or other distinctive religious attire is seen by some religious fundamentalists as a Trojan Horse to get further concessions for special treatment for their co-religionists. French schoolchildren volunteered NOT to wear Christian symbols as a sign of support for Muslims who were not allowed to wear their symbols. Actually wearing of crucifixes was also banned by the law.

There were only two individual cases in the whole of France where this law caused a problem. The majority of Muslims were advised by their religious leaders that asking their children to comply with this requirement while at school was not a significant issue. The issue was that the extremists trying to establish that all Muslims should be exempt from compliance with French law.

Some Muslims make a distinction between states ruled by Muslim Law, states sympathetic to Muslim Law, and states that do not accept Muslim Law. There are very few of the first, most democratic countries are classed as sympathetic in that Muslims can practise their religion. Extremists want to demonstrate that democracies are in the third group and are therefore the laws of the country should not be obeyed by Muslims. Their tactic is to continually push for 'special treatment', for 'religious tolerance' (only for Muslims) and for concessions that the Government cannot give.

Og
 
I have never, ever read the Bible from beginning to the end. Ever in my life.
 
svet said:
I have never, ever read the Bible from beginning to the end. Ever in my life.

I doubt very much that anyone has ever read the bible from beginning to end. You get into those pages and pages in Deutoronomy or Numbers or wherever where "Ham begat Shem who begat Phlegm who begat Ouzo..." and your eyes glaze over. You've just got to fast forwards to the next killing or miracle.

It is fascinating to read the bible in light of the "New Scholarship" (well, it was new in 1900) that sees the OT as being written by 4 different authors: The Yahwist (who refers to God as Jehovah or Yahweh), the Elohist (who refers to God as Elohim), the Priestly (who's concerend with all this ritualistic and legal stuff in Numbers) and the Deuteronomist, who's the one obsessed with these "begat" bloodlines, which now appear to be an attempt to justify some Kins's pedigree. The 4 author interpretation helps expalin a lot of puzzling things in the OT, such as why there are two versions of the Creation and stuff like that.

The New Scholarship sees most of the OT as being set down in writing around 500-400 BC during Israel's captivity in Babylon, an attempt by the Jews to maintain a sense of nationhood and of being special or chosen. That's why the OT has so many elements of Babylonian mythology in it too, like the flood nd the creation from clay.

Sorry, but I love this stuff. The Bible is such a curious book once you stand back and look at it.
 
Dr M...I watched a very interesting programme a while back about the Noahs ark story and it went throughthe biblical story and gave various different explainations for what might have happened.

I think to get anything out of the bible you've got to question it and examine it.you've got to test it, not just read it like a novel(not that you could as you point out!)
 
Creating the world in six days is hardly quantum physics, is it.

Besides, we are all gods, now. The scientists at Stanford University (not in Afganistan, Kazakistan, Pakistan, etc.) are injecting human brain cells into mouse foetus to create rats with 100% human brain.

You think I'm joking, don't you?

Go to guardian.co.uk and archive-search "Jeremy Rifkin" (15/05/2005)
I'd've (haha) linked it, but the Guardian server seems down at the moment.
 
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