Sanctions against Israel

[Borscht]

Actually, for the first time since the Eisenhower Administration (he declared an arms embargo on Israel), sanctions may well be coming....

Depends how the AIPAC scandal plays out - two members resigned to try to keep the heat off the organization itself, but if the final proof comes in that secret info was passed to Israel through AIPAC, they may have to register as foreign agents anyway...

...Laura Bush's reception in Israel this week, with all those Pollard supporters screaming and throwing stuff at her probably didn't sit well with George W. - who's already pissed by Sharon breaking his agreement not to build any more settlements - that promise was made to him, not the Palistinians...plus, Sharon trying to stick him with yet another bill for the West Bank Wall, and it looks like this time, the White House will say no...Bush was pissed off at Sharon anyway, after Sharon said that the West Bank settlements needed to expand from natural growth - as Bush said "Does he think I'm an idiot? Doesn't he know that I know that half the houses are empty?"

...Sharon's speech in the U.S. this week being met by hecklers didn't help Israel's cause - all those shouts of "Jews don't deport Jews" must have given pause to a lot of Americans who wonder if there really is an Israeli fifth column in the U.S. - when they find out just how many wanted American criminals Israel is harboring, and the money laundering, and the Ecstasy smuggling, that will lead to some pressure...

...but, amazingly, Tom DeLay's scandals may be the breaking point - it was Jack Abramoff who got him in trouble – Abramoff’s already in trouble for embezzling money from an Indian casino and sending it to Israel, but it was a joint idea of his and DeLay to pump up the Christian Zionist movement, and now that he’s dragged DeLay into one of his crimes, that more than anything would turn the Christian Right against Israel. DeLay is their poster boy, and if he goes down because of Abramoff, they won't forget it. Bush is pretty ticked at DeLay for practically wrecking his foreign policy initiatives in the Middle East too, and won't be sorry to see him go.

As Norman Finkelstein points out, the Zionists are actually very weak, which is why they have to go to such desperate lengths - keep hitting them with the facts, don't let them mystify the conflict or divert it to other issues, and sooner or later, the whole sleazy fraud of Israel has to come down...

Dunno about that.

America is pretty much bought and paid for as far as Israel is concerned.

Not only that, but hating Arabs seems to be becoming socially accepted over there (if Israel's victims had blonde hair and blue eyes I doubt if the American taxpayer would be quite so willing to pick up the tab).

It's the rest of the world I'm interested. The EU, the Arab League, China . . . I don't think you need the UN to set up sanctions.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Why do you post bullshit?

What part of what he said was bullshit?

It's true that Israel has over 200 UN resolutions against them.
It's true that Israel has weapons of mass destruction.

Nothing he said was wrong. It's not bullshit. It's the truth that you just wish would go away.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

What is it with you people and your obsessive behavior about Israel?

What is it with you people and your obsessive behavior about Muslims?

 

[sigh]

Not all UNSC Resolutions are created equal. Read up on it, you may learn something.

Are you Ishmael's clone, or is this a tactic shared by all conservatives? You make a statement (as if it's a gift from God), toss in an insult, then challenge the reader to go do her own research to find support for a statement that you've made, but not bothered to either support or explain.

Fuck that. If you want to convince me of something, try using language. It's a pretty powerful medium.

 

[Beco]

If the Chinese or the EU had the stones to put their dollars where their ethics are they'd become the beloved of the Arab world.

what a treat that would be...........all they have is oil, othewise they would live in the 3rd world

 

[Ham Murabi]

Speaking of sanctions, why doesn't the Security Council condemn the U.N. Peacekeepers raping the natives, oil-for-food - and have you checked lately to find out who is on the Human Rights Commission?

 

[Borscht]

what a treat that would be...........all they have is oil, othewise they would live in the 3rd world

All they have and all they need.

 

[Borscht]

Speaking of sanctions, why doesn't the Security Council condemn the U.N. Peacekeepers raping the natives, oil-for-food - and have you checked lately to find out who is on the Human Rights Commission?

I'm not interested in the UN.

Israel has America and America has a veto.

This means that even if Israel follows its policies to their logical, genocidal conclusion then no UN sanctions would be applied against it.

That's not to say that other sanctions can't be imposed by other organisations.

 

[Ham Murabi]

I'm not interested in the UN.

Israel has America and America has a veto.

This means that even if Israel follows its policies to their logical, genocidal conclusion then no UN sanctions would be applied against it.

That's not to say that other sanctions can't be imposed by other organisations.

Genocidal conclusion? Isn't that the Arab goal, and well advertised at that?

 

[Beco]

All they have and all they need.

I guess a contribution to society is low on your list, cause they dont do squat!

 

[Borscht]

Genocidal conclusion? Isn't that the Arab goal, and well advertised at that?

Nope.

Arabs want to convert the world (as do Christians).

Zionist jews, on the other hand, just want to exterminate everyone who stands in the way of their fevered dreams of a racial homeland.

In this they resemble the abused child who goes on to become a child abuser.

 

[Borscht]

I guess a contribution to society is low on your list, cause they dont do squat!

Astronomy.

Algebra.

Numbers.

Etc.

 

[Tathagata]

Nope.

Arabs want to convert the world (as do Christians).

Zionist jews, on the other hand, just want to exterminate everyone who stands in the way of their fevered dreams of a racial homeland.

In this they resemble the abused child who goes on to become a child abuser.

Heil Mein Führer

 

[Borscht]

Heil Mein Führer

Exactly.

 

[Gringao]

Are you Ishmael's clone, or is this a tactic shared by all conservatives? You make a statement (as if it's a gift from God), toss in an insult, then challenge the reader to go do her own research to find support for a statement that you've made, but not bothered to either support or explain.

Fuck that. If you want to convince me of something, try using language. It's a pretty powerful medium.

I don't know what Ishmael's views on this are, but it's a demostrable fact that UNSC Resolutions can be ratified under a number of UN Articles, some calling for the use of diplomacy, others sanctions and still others the use of force. Israel has never had a Resolution passed against it (that I'm aware of) that was not of the diplomatic urging variety. No sanctions, no force.

Or do we just lean on them anyway because we don't like Ariel Sharon and because they are, after all, just Jooz?

 

[Borscht]

I don't know what Ishmael's views on this are, but it's a demostrable fact that UNSC Resolutions can be ratified under a number of UN Articles, some calling for the use of diplomacy, others sanctions and still others the use of force. Israel has never had a Resolution passed against it (that I'm aware of) that was not of the diplomatic urging variety. No sanctions, no force.

Or do we just lean on them anyway because we don't like Ariel Sharon and because they are, after all, just Jooz?

Agreed.

But the reason Israel has never been subjected to UN sanctions or force is because America has a veto.

And the reason America will never allow the use of sanctions or force is because its lobby system has enabled an unholy alliance of Christian and Jewish Zionists to control its foreign policy.

That doesn't change the fact that Israel is an avowedly racist state which is in violation of countless UN resolutions, the fourth Geneva convention, and all kinds of bits of international law.

I mean, for fuck's sake, why do you think that it shouldn't be subject to sanctions ?