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Safety*** --Beyond Slogans
This thread focuses on one concept, not a whole slogan, in the interests of clarity.
There are legal duties, in normal circumstances, not to do something that brings another into (danger of) substantial bodily harm** or death; or—where there is a duty—to omit to do such a thing.
There are exceptions such as bar fights and boxing matches.
Unless you are saving a person from greater harm, or as a medical person, doing something necessary, you (generally) can't cut off someone's finger. (Even if they ask, request, agree, consent, beg, plead, direct and so on.)
For oneself, there are few or no such duties. It is, for instance, quite legal to cut off your own finger. Or ski down the most dangerous slope in the world after one's first ski lesson.
Consider then, the pervert(top) who wants to or is willing to agree to do something possibly dangerous to another. In one set of cases s/he can minimize or eliminate bodily harm, and so there's no problem. Do not use a whip that's too heavy or for too long.
However, for another set of cases, there may be no possible precautions against some of the harms:
The pervert who wants to inflict serious pain who has connected with the one who wants to experience it, then are in a peculiar situation. It's _unlike_ a fight or boxing match. Rather it's like Kevorkian meeting someone who wants to kill her- or himself. (If they both do as they want, and as they agree with informed consent, they still violate the law.) In a sense the one willing to inflict is often more in danger than the other. (Kevorkian does the hard time.) This was not true in the "Spanner" case, in UK, however, inflictor and inflictee were charged.
The professional dom/me is perhaps more aware of this than the amateur, and will usually be quite unwilling to put someone in hospital (who's consented) and risk being charged. S/he then is sometimes gentler than may be wanted by the 'sub.'
How does one, as inflictor, stay legal: A) Stick with the milder activities, be gentle, and take adequate precautions.
B) Other than being (physically) gentle, is there legal way for one to carry out the inflictions of harsher/more harmful events? The only thing I can think of is for the dom/me to merely attend the infliction of bodily harm, where the sub has self-inflicted it. The dom/me can witness the severing of a testicle, and receive it, but not do the severing.
Perhaps one overall solution, IMO, is to avoid substantive bodily harm. Though bodies may meet, be a mental top only. There are no laws, for instance, against shaming or degrading another; creating uncertainty (though there are laws against making someone afraid, by threatening bodily harm or death).
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**non trifling impairment of health or normal functioning
*** This is not personal legal advice. I am not a lawyer, but I do read the law and relevant commentaries and literature.
This thread focuses on one concept, not a whole slogan, in the interests of clarity.
There are legal duties, in normal circumstances, not to do something that brings another into (danger of) substantial bodily harm** or death; or—where there is a duty—to omit to do such a thing.
There are exceptions such as bar fights and boxing matches.
Unless you are saving a person from greater harm, or as a medical person, doing something necessary, you (generally) can't cut off someone's finger. (Even if they ask, request, agree, consent, beg, plead, direct and so on.)
For oneself, there are few or no such duties. It is, for instance, quite legal to cut off your own finger. Or ski down the most dangerous slope in the world after one's first ski lesson.
Consider then, the pervert(top) who wants to or is willing to agree to do something possibly dangerous to another. In one set of cases s/he can minimize or eliminate bodily harm, and so there's no problem. Do not use a whip that's too heavy or for too long.
However, for another set of cases, there may be no possible precautions against some of the harms:
The pervert who wants to inflict serious pain who has connected with the one who wants to experience it, then are in a peculiar situation. It's _unlike_ a fight or boxing match. Rather it's like Kevorkian meeting someone who wants to kill her- or himself. (If they both do as they want, and as they agree with informed consent, they still violate the law.) In a sense the one willing to inflict is often more in danger than the other. (Kevorkian does the hard time.) This was not true in the "Spanner" case, in UK, however, inflictor and inflictee were charged.
The professional dom/me is perhaps more aware of this than the amateur, and will usually be quite unwilling to put someone in hospital (who's consented) and risk being charged. S/he then is sometimes gentler than may be wanted by the 'sub.'
How does one, as inflictor, stay legal: A) Stick with the milder activities, be gentle, and take adequate precautions.
B) Other than being (physically) gentle, is there legal way for one to carry out the inflictions of harsher/more harmful events? The only thing I can think of is for the dom/me to merely attend the infliction of bodily harm, where the sub has self-inflicted it. The dom/me can witness the severing of a testicle, and receive it, but not do the severing.
Perhaps one overall solution, IMO, is to avoid substantive bodily harm. Though bodies may meet, be a mental top only. There are no laws, for instance, against shaming or degrading another; creating uncertainty (though there are laws against making someone afraid, by threatening bodily harm or death).
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**non trifling impairment of health or normal functioning
*** This is not personal legal advice. I am not a lawyer, but I do read the law and relevant commentaries and literature.
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