Sadomasochisum and BDSM catagory

[Ginlover]

I am gaily writing a story which starts with a male masochistic narrator with a pro Domme. In the first scene there is heavy impact. In a later scene vampire gloves are brought in to the mix. The narrator describes the session, not in great detail but he talks of the pain and blood. It is much more focused on his emotional journey and reaching subspace. Both scenes have detailed aftercare and the narrator enthusiastically consents in fact he begs in one case. It's a longer story and a male submissives love story. The S&M is integral as part of his journey and how at the start he us paying for what he wants.

Then I read the thread on gratuitous violence being banned by the site.

So I checked the BDSM category and it says Bondage, D/s and other power games. No mention of sadomasochisum.

Swallowing nervously, Does this mean stories about sadists and consenting masochists are banned?

 

[Bramblethorn]

I am gaily writing a story which starts with a male masochistic narrator with a pro Domme. In the first scene there is heavy impact. In a later scene vampire gloves are brought in to the mix. The narrator describes the session, not in great detail but he talks of the pain and blood. It is much more focused on his emotional journey and reaching subspace. Both scenes have detailed aftercare and the narrator enthusiastically consents in fact he begs in one case. It's a longer story and a male submissives love story. The S&M is integral as part of his journey and how at the start he us paying for what he wants.

Then I read the thread on gratuitous violence being banned by the site.

So I checked the BDSM category and it says Bondage, D/s and other power games. No mention of sadomasochisum.

Swallowing nervously, Does this mean stories about sadists and consenting masochists are banned?

https://tags.literotica.com/whipping/
https://tags.literotica.com/spanking/

Hopefully that answers your question.

The "gratuitous violence" bit is more extreme than just "normal" S&M play. The category descriptions aren't always as informative as they might be - best way to find out what's accepted in a given category is to read there, and maybe explore tags for specific content.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

I am gaily writing a story which starts with a male masochistic narrator with a pro Domme. In the first scene there is heavy impact. In a later scene vampire gloves are brought in to the mix. The narrator describes the session, not in great detail but he talks of the pain and blood. It is much more focused on his emotional journey and reaching subspace. Both scenes have detailed aftercare and the narrator enthusiastically consents in fact he begs in one case. It's a longer story and a male submissives love story. The S&M is integral as part of his journey and how at the start he us paying for what he wants.

Then I read the thread on gratuitous violence being banned by the site.

So I checked the BDSM category and it says Bondage, D/s and other power games. No mention of sadomasochisum.

Swallowing nervously, Does this mean stories about sadists and consenting masochists are banned?

No.
As long as the consent is clear, flog away.
I have three stories (one of which won a reader's choice award) where the S/m is the point. And others where it's tangential to the point.

Laurel makes an exception, or at least understands the needs of the genre.
S/m gets a more mixed response, reader wise, than D/s, but it's definitely allowed.

 

[Ginlover]

No.
As long as the consent is clear, flog away.

Laurel makes an exception, or at least understands the needs of the genre.
S/m gets a more mixed response, reader wise, than D/s, but it's definitely allowed.

Heavy S&M and male submissive, yeah I've already figured it wont be a very popular story, but its one that wont leave me alone until I write it.

I knew spanking and flogging were okay but what about blood? I went with vampire gloves over knife play to lower the shock factor, but I need blood for a later plot point that means he cant hide what he is doing.

 

[lovecraft68]

I am gaily writing a story which starts with a male masochistic narrator with a pro Domme. In the first scene there is heavy impact. In a later scene vampire gloves are brought in to the mix. The narrator describes the session, not in great detail but he talks of the pain and blood. It is much more focused on his emotional journey and reaching subspace. Both scenes have detailed aftercare and the narrator enthusiastically consents in fact he begs in one case. It's a longer story and a male submissives love story. The S&M is integral as part of his journey and how at the start he us paying for what he wants.

Then I read the thread on gratuitous violence being banned by the site.

So I checked the BDSM category and it says Bondage, D/s and other power games. No mention of sadomasochisum.

Swallowing nervously, Does this mean stories about sadists and consenting masochists are banned?

The category is BDSM

Bondage/Discipline/Sado-Masochism.

So, yes it fits right in as far as gratuitous violence its another hazy rule which seems to depend on...I won't even pretend to know what it depends on. But I would think being its obviously consensual I don't think you'd have anything to worry about.

Also considering what is allowed in BTB LW stories I doubt you're planning on going that far

 

[jaF0]

Why do stories have to be disgusting?

 

[BelleCanzuto]

Heavy S&M and male submissive, yeah I've already figured it wont be a very popular story, but its one that wont leave me alone until I write it.

I knew spanking and flogging were okay but what about blood? I went with vampire gloves over knife play to lower the shock factor, but I need blood for a later plot point that means he cant hide what he is doing.

I've read stories with blood play. I haven't read any with scarification, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some.

 

[SimonDoom]

Why do stories have to be disgusting?

What do you want? Do you want all Literotica stories to be about people frolicking happily through meadows full of poppies? What's the point of a comment like this?

What's disgusting to you may be erotic to others. What is hard for you to understand about that? Why make a comment like this?

 

[jaF0]

What do you want? Do you want all Literotica stories to be about people frolicking happily through meadows full of poppies?

Yes, I do. I don't like cruelty in any form.

 

[SimonDoom]

Yes, I do. I don't like cruelty in any form.

Which is your right. But this Site has had categories for BDSM, Nonconsent, and others since the beginning, and other people, including me, like those stories. There's not much point in calling out people for liking erotica different from what you like, is there? There certainly is not much good to come from calling stories other people like "disgusting."

 

[gunhilltrain]

What are vampire gloves? I think I can guess, but specifics would be appreciated. Knife play I've heard of it, but I didn't realize people actually cut with them.

I'm always learning something new here.

 

[Bramblethorn]

What are vampire gloves? I think I can guess, but specifics would be appreciated. Knife play I've heard of it, but I didn't realize people actually cut with them.

I'm always learning something new here.

Gloves with sharp bits, used for scratching or drawing blood. See e.g. https://www.passionalboutique.com/vampire-glove.html

(NB not always about drawing blood - sometimes it's just scratchy sensation play that stops short of breaking the skin.)

 

[WoodmanStark]

Which is your right. But this Site has had categories for BDSM, Nonconsent, and others since the beginning, and other people, including me, like those stories. There's not much point in calling out people for liking erotica different from what you like, is there? There certainly is not much good to come from calling stories other people like "disgusting."

Yeah, this. A lot of Lit categories just don't turn my crank.
What I do about it is, I don't browse those categories. Everyone is happy.

 

[Salacious_Scribe]

Swallowing nervously, Does this mean stories about sadists and consenting masochists are banned?

I'm not into SM, but the only opinion that matters is Laurel. She owns the site, she has the final say. The only way to find out is to submit to see if it is approved.

She has been stricter in enforcing the rules lately.

Just yesterday I was reading a Brady Bunch fanfic story with Jan and Bobby having sex. That author had a Full House story with all characters fucking and not the new one, the original. They were posted in 2000.

Even if it does get approved, it may be reported and deleted if someone objects to it. Be aware.

 

[Emirus]

I am gaily writing a story which starts with a male masochistic narrator with a pro Domme. In the first scene there is heavy impact. In a later scene vampire gloves are brought in to the mix.

Swallowing nervously, Does this mean stories about sadists and consenting masochists are banned?

When writing in the bdsm category I only write femdom but I think it would be the same for malesdom.

As regards vampire gloves I used them in more than one occasion and described their use and haven’t had a problem with getting the story published. Stories about sadists and consenting masochists are not banned particularly when the masochist is written as consenting which in a s/m relationship is always the case. Even in real life. I have met someone who in real life enjoyed being cut which is not something I like to think about and would never write about.

 

[Saffyre]

I am gaily writing a story which starts with a male masochistic narrator with a pro Domme. In the first scene there is heavy impact. In a later scene vampire gloves are brought in to the mix. The narrator describes the session, not in great detail but he talks of the pain and blood. It is much more focused on his emotional journey and reaching subspace. Both scenes have detailed aftercare and the narrator enthusiastically consents in fact he begs in one case. It's a longer story and a male submissives love story. The S&M is integral as part of his journey and how at the start he us paying for what he wants.

Then I read the thread on gratuitous violence being banned by the site.

So I checked the BDSM category and it says Bondage, D/s and other power games. No mention of sadomasochisum.

Swallowing nervously, Does this mean stories about sadists and consenting masochists are banned?

I would suggest you read my story Cruel Mistress which is about an extremely sadistic Mistress and two very masochistic Submissives. It’s important, as in this story, that the sadism is enjoyed by the masochists and they consent. Amongst other things she uses vampire gloves. I didn’t have a problem getting the story accepted and I’m sure it will answer your questions.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I get the impression that anything short of cutting off a limb will be OK in a consensual SM scene. Permanent piercings, branding, scarification appear, so non-permanent hurt such as from vampire gloves or sensible knife play I would expect to be fine.

Reckless treatment where the bottom might bleed too much or get infected might get reported, possibly, but I doubt it.

There's not a huge audience for SM compared to DS here, probably even less for male bottoms who aren't sissies, but the ones who do read seem to like. Fetish seems to be a welcoming category with more readers, possibly.

 

[Brutal_One]

I am gaily writing a story which starts with a male masochistic narrator with a pro Domme. In the first scene there is heavy impact. In a later scene vampire gloves are brought in to the mix. The narrator describes the session, not in great detail but he talks of the pain and blood. It is much more focused on his emotional journey and reaching subspace. Both scenes have detailed aftercare and the narrator enthusiastically consents in fact he begs in one case. It's a longer story and a male submissives love story. The S&M is integral as part of his journey and how at the start he us paying for what he wants.

Then I read the thread on gratuitous violence being banned by the site.

So I checked the BDSM category and it says Bondage, D/s and other power games. No mention of sadomasochisum.

Swallowing nervously, Does this mean stories about sadists and consenting masochists are banned?

Gin,

I am never to sure on that and the S&M element is just one of the many aspects of BDSM. My story arc focuses also on the D/s aspect more predominantly but also the discipline side to an extent.

I have one chapter that was more focused on one particular character but the whole arc to an extent focuses on this S&M aspect of BDSM but I think mainly in that category it is the D/s and maybe discipline as part of that and not the S&M which for my part I put in the NC category.

What I think Lit will accept is some payoff for the masochist i.e. it cannot be one sided. I only have one chapter where this happens but as it came in chapter 18 it did pass. I think the previous chapters may have helped, having one approver means she will remember a lot, at least the general idea so as long as either within the single chapter or beyond that it may be okay, it’s just the one sided aspect that I think is not welcome which I understand and think is right.

Case of TLDR but hope this helps.

Brutal One

 

[gunhilltrain]

Gloves with sharp bits, used for scratching or drawing blood. See e.g. https://www.passionalboutique.com/vampire-glove.html

(NB not always about drawing blood - sometimes it's just scratchy sensation play that stops short of breaking the skin.)

Sounds like fun!

 

[jaF0]

This is a category I wouldn't mind being deleted from the site.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I would suggest you read my story Cruel Mistress which is about an extremely sadistic Mistress and two very masochistic Submissives. It’s important, as in this story, that the sadism is enjoyed by the masochists and they consent. Amongst other things she uses vampire gloves. I didn’t have a problem getting the story accepted and I’m sure it will answer your questions.

I have written BDSM stories - it allows me to explore an interest that was not "publicized" much before the Internet. But what I find most interesting about it is not extreme behavior but how people invent roles - characters, actually - for themselves and how they cook up dialogue (often improvised on the fly) to go along with it.

Usually I have the women as being more imaginative and good at being actresses, because it really is a form of acting. They also have a knack for details like costumes and props.

On one level these people are expressing hidden emotions about themselves and their partners. On another level, they know it is mostly playacting and they will go back to their "real selves" for the majority of their time.

So that's what I find intriguing about it.

 

[Emirus]

This is a category I wouldn't mind being deleted from the site.

You’ve made it pretty clear with your comments on this thread, jaFO, that bdsm isn’t your cup of tea. Nothing wrong with that but please don’t keep banging on about it. Or are you trying to start an argument? It’s everyone to their own and bdsm isn’t yours which is fine.

I don’t read Exhibitionist & Voyeur, Gay Male, Group Sex, Illustrated, Lesbian, Sci-fi & Fantasy, and Masturbation & Toys. But I have nothing against those who do read and write in those categories. If something comes up in relation to any of them I just don’t comment. I wouldn’t get any enjoyment out of reading stories in those categories but I wouldn’t criticise someone who does. Live and let live.

 

[Ginlover]

This is a category I wouldn't mind being deleted from the site.

Okay as you've commented 3 times saying words like disgusting, cruel and then the comment above I will reply.

Bit of background. I'm female, I am not a sadist nor am I masachist, I personally think I'm pretty vanilla, thou vanilla friends would possibly disagree. What I am fascinated by is human dynamics. I couldnt understand why one person would want pain and another would want to inflict it in a consensual or even loving relationship. Rather than saying it was disgusting I approached this with curiosity and an open mind.

Let's start with some science
Serious traumatic injury produces an endorphin release, this is the body's natural morphine. It allows the injured soldier to crawl to safety and the mother with a broken arm to get her kid out the car after a crash. Its natures way of helping.
Intense exercise or eating something you crave causes a similar release of happy brain chemicals. Orgasms do too.
On a purely physiological bases it us understood pain can bring on the euphoric feeling. Body and mind dont work independently. I like oragasms and I like chocolate, I can crave both. If I found pain gave me the happy feels I might just crave that too. The anticipation and build up almost as good as the getting what I want.

After I understood the science I started talking to men who like receiving pain and handing over control. One gave a beautiful summary. He said imagine being a soldier in Iraq, every day on patrol you are on edge waiting to be shot or blown up, at night you have one eye open waiting to be blown up in your bunk.

After 6 months you need it to stop, Alcohol only numbs the edges. You come home and your mind is on over drive unable to switch off. You go to a Domme who takes control for a few hours. She gives you a holiday from yourself.

You want to sob, scream and yell about what you've seen but you are not injured, you're a tough soldier. Your buddy lost both his legs, in your mind he has a right to cry, you dont as you only got sun burn. But your racing mind wont stop.

A sadist/top/ dominant gives you pain. They trigger the happy chemicals in the brain, the pain they inflict let's you cry with out feeling guilty you shouldnt cry. For a couple hours you dont have to make a single choice, (dynamic and negotiations dependent) someone tells you what to wear, when to piss, how to stand. All you have to do is be present in that moment. The dominant gives you a single focus.

I got that from talking to male subs and masochists but I couldnt find it described in a way I now understood in a story. There are two male dominant, female submissive stories that cover this but none I found about the strength of these men. I wanted to try and write about it.

The two stories I just mentioned about how giving and receiving pain and control can help manage emotions.
https://www.literotica.com/beta/s/the-burdens-of-others

And BelleCanzuto winning story which was inspired by the one referenced above
https://www.literotica.com/beta/s/catharsis-6


I hope what I write is neither disgusting or cruel, time will tell, as BelleCanzuto and BrambleThorne mention my subject matter wont be popular or well read. But just like I dont enjoy reading lesbian or gay sex I would not wish it was all banned from.this site

 

[Enchantment_of_Nyx]

Okay as you've commented 3 times saying words like disgusting, cruel and then the comment above I will reply...

That's an incredibly effective perspective on it. It's a good example, too, of why someone who wasn't naturally inclined toward D/s would still be drawn toward S/M.

 

[Ginlover]

That's an incredibly effective perspective on it. It's a good example, too, of why someone who wasn't naturally inclined toward D/s would still be drawn toward S/M.

Thank you, I had to take a phone call before I finished my ramble lol. I'm now going to find the two stories with a female sub I mentioned so I can reference them