Saddam or OJ? Which trial is most exciting??

Which is more exciting?

  • OJ had a car chase.

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • Saddam was in a spider hole.

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • OJ had a bloody crime scene and forensics and judge Ito

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • Saddam had a bloody reign of terror and bombings.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    7

ABSTRUSE

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Saddam thrown out as trial told women prisoners raped

BAGHDAD (AFP) - The newly appointed judge in Saddam Hussein's genocide trial has thrown the former Iraqi leader out of court, imposing his authority on a legal process marred by political controversy.



A Kurdish villager has meanwhile testified that women prisoners were often raped during the brutal 1987-1988 Anfal attacks against the Kurds that prosecutors say left 182,000 people dead.

Saddam was thrown out when he waved a sheet of yellow legal paper from the dock, declaring: "I have a request here that I don't want to be in this cage any more".

But Judge Mohammed al-Oreibi al-Khalifah fired back: "I am the presiding judge. I decide about your presence here. Get him out."

Bailiffs took Saddam out of the courtroom and the hearing at the Iraqi High Tribunal in Baghdad -- where Saddam is facing charges of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity -- continued.

Saddam and six of his former colleagues face charges for spearheading the Anfal military campaign.

They face the death penalty if found guilty.

Khalifah took over as the trial's new chief judge last week after his predecessor Abdullah al-Ameri was accused of showing leniency and sacked by the Iraqi government.

"You need to show respect to the court and the case, and to those who don't show it, I am sorry, but I have to apply the law," Khalifah told another defendant, Sabir al-Duri, who was questioning the day's first witness.

Saddam's defence team was not in court. The former Iraqi president's counsel boycotted the trial on Monday, accusing the government of interfering with the court proceedings.

Last week, the Iraqi government sacked Ameri after he told Saddam in open court that he had not been a dictator. He was quickly replaced by his deputy, Khalifah.

"The defence team will not recognise the legitimacy of this court and does not accept the tailor-made decision taken by the occupying forces," chief defence attorney Khalil al-Dulaimi had told AFP in Amman on Sunday.

"It is not about this judge or that judge, but from day one we have protested the legitimacy and the bias of this court," he argued.

On Monday Duri, the director of military intelligence under Saddam, referred to another accused and former defence minister Sultan Hashim al-Tai by his rank, irritating the judge.

Saddam responded by demanding to be excused, whereupon Khalifah ejected him, as he had done on Wednesday last week when the defendant had protested the replacement of the former trial judge.

Khalifah has provided eight court-appointed lawyers for the defendants.

Last week, government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said the decision to transfer Ameri was taken to preserve the "neutrality of the court".

The latest events have provoked strong criticisms from international legal experts, who fear for the impartiality of the hearings.

Nehal Bhuta of the New York-based Human Rights Watch, a long observer of the trials, said the judge's removal was "a blatant violation of the independence of the court".

A senior Iraqi government official told AFP the government intervened "as this was the trial of Saddam Hussein ... the man who has killed thousands. Anyone who says he was not a dictator will not be tolerated by the people".

Kurdish witness Rifat Mohammed Said, meanwhile, testified on Monday how his village was gassed and bombed and told of atrocities in the southern Nugrat Salman prison where he was held along with hundreds of others.

He said women detainees often complained of rape by Hajaj, the man who ran the prison.

Said said every day one of the imprisoned women would be taken to the room of Hajaj.

"The girls came back crying and told us they had been subjected to rape," Said said from the witness-box.

While men and women in the prison were kept in separate cells, they were able to communicate with each other.

He also said that "some days, two or three children were dying" in the prison due to hunger.

Two other witnesses also testified on Monday before the court was adjourned to Tuesday.

Mohammed Rasul Mustafa, a Kurdish villager, told the court how he witnessed the guards "kill a man with a steel cable" in the Nugrat Salman prison.

He said at least 400 prisoners died, mostly old people.

When he was released, he returned home to find his whole family -- his wife and five children -- missing.

The day's third witness Fahima Amin Karim, broke down during her testimony, in which she recounted her daughter's death from chemical attacks.

"I was holding her when she died, they took her away, I don't know where. I don't even know where she is buried," she said as she wiped her tears.

Many of her relatives were also killed during the attacks, she added.
 
Saddam or OJ? Which trial is most exciting??

Saddam's trail, definitely. In O.J.'s trail, there was at least the possibility that he was innocent and thus he had to play along with the procedings. There is no doubt at all about Saddam's guilt, therefore he can play to the press and kick up a fuss.
 
R. Richard said:
Saddam or OJ? Which trial is most exciting??

Saddam's trail, definitely.
Nope. O.J. Judge Ito has it all over this other guy.
 
O.J. I followed that one more closely, it was definitely more exciting and I was a damned youngin when that was happening. See? Proof that it was more exciting. :D
 
OJ. No contest.

Saddam never played pro football.

Saddam never made a workout video and an uncool comment about 'workin' out on the old lady.'

Saddam didn't appear in a single comedy movie. OJ appeared in one wearing a black stocking cap and black leather gloves - a complete murder costume, years before the murder!

Saddam never owned those 'ugly-ass shoes.' OJ claimed he didn't either, but they proved he did own a pair, so a point goes in his column.

On the plus side in Saddam's column in his villanous Oily Bad Guy look. It's a bit dated, though. Not since silent movies have the villains had to look like villains so the audience would know right away who they were. If the tradition was revived to help Reagan follow the plot, it didn't work very well.

OJ has a catch-phrase ("If the glove don't fit, you must aquit.")

OJ has the Dream Team, Marcia Clark, Judge Ito, a racist cop, and the inexplicable presence of Cato Kalin, the useless blond guy who lives in the pool house, mooches an order of McDonalds fries off OJ the night of the murders, and is so traumatized by Nicole's death that he nearly lets his tan fade.

Honestly, Abs. What else do you need when you've got Cato Kalin?

OJ's cast of characters even spawned a character on Seinfeld. ("You used the balm?! I didn't tell you to use the balm!")

Unlike OJ, Saddam has hardly any fan base in the United States. Certainly none who will come forward at the office coffee machine to argue his innocence - not based on the race card or the DNA evidence or the timeline or anything else in the trial, but simply because he was such a great athlete he couldn't possibly have done it. "Anybody who knows football," I was told by an almost tearful fan at my office, "knows that OJ Simpson is no killer."

Trump that with your spider hole.
 
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shereads said:
OJ. No contest.

Saddam never played pro football.

Saddam never made a workout video and an uncool comment about 'workin' out on the old lady.'

Saddam didn't appear in a single comedy movie. OJ appeared in one wearing a black stocking cap and black leather gloves - a complete murder costume, years before the murder!

Saddam never owned those 'ugly-ass shoes.' OJ claimed he didn't either, but they proved he did own a pair, so a point goes in his column.

On the plus side in Saddam's column in his villanous Oily Bad Guy look. It's a bit dated, though. Not since silent movies have the villains had to look like villains so the audience would know right away who they were. If the tradition was revived to help Reagan follow the plot, it didn't work very well.

OJ has a catch-phrase ("If the glove don't fit, you must aquit.")

OJ has the Dream Team, Marcia Clark, Judge Ito, a racist cop, and the inexplicable presence of Cato Kalin, the useless blond guy who lives in the pool house, mooches an order of McDonalds fries off OJ the night of the murders, and is so traumatized by Nicole's death that he nearly lets his tan fade.

Honestly, Abs. What else do you need when you've got Cato Kalin?

OJ's cast of characters even spawned a character on Seinfeld. ("You used the balm?! I didn't tell you to use the balm!")

Unlike OJ, Saddam has hardly any fan base in the United States. Certainly none who will come forward at the office coffee machine to argue his innocence - not based on the race card or the DNA evidence or the timeline or anything else in the trial, but simply because he was such a great athlete he couldn't possibly have done it. "Anybody who knows football," I was told by an almost tearful fan at my office, "knows that OJ Simpson is no killer."

Trump that with your spider hole.
Saddam had magical weapons of mass destruction and a zoo. Let's not forget the psychotic sons.

He does dress better now, so fashion wise I give him two snaps.

He may also have a catch phrase but since non of us speak arabic, its hard to tell.

and....his antics are more childish. He gets points for pouting.

alas, the Cato Kalin thing does take away from everything else. Maybe he should take up golf to find the real murderous dictator?
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Maybe he should take up golf to find the real murderous dictator?
:D *Pepsi spew*

That would bring everything full circle, wouldn't it?
 
wazhazhe said:
:D *Pepsi spew*

That would bring everything full circle, wouldn't it?
Somewhere in the world there are golf courses over run with madmen and murderers all wearing bad pants.
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Somewhere in the world there are golf courses over run with madmen and murderers all wearing bad pants.

and, only one glove....that fits. :D


oh, wait...that's Michael Jackson again, isn't it?
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Somewhere in the world there are golf courses over run with madmen and murderers all wearing bad pants.
OJ and Saddam just need to play the right golf course to vindicate themselves. :D
 
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