Russian politics

[oggbashan]

The Russian Prime Minister and Cabinet have all resigned.

Does this mean anything?

 

[TalkToMeInSB]

The Russian Prime Minister and Cabinet have all resigned.

Does this mean anything?

Yes, Putin threatened to kill them and their families to get rid of them so he can be Leader For Life!

 

[oggbashan]

Yes, Putin threatened to kill them and their families to get rid of them so he can be Leader For Life!

Is he trying to give President Trump ideas?

 

[KeithD]

The Russian Prime Minister and Cabinet have all resigned.

Does this mean anything?

Putin has to clear the leadership decks periodically to keep others from accumulating competitive power. It's the old Soviet communist "maintaining power" dance. Trump does it by having everyone acting rather than fully in the position.

 

[oggbashan]

Interesting.

What happens if President Putin becomes ill or dies?

In the US there is a designated line of succession if a President dies or is incapacitated.

Other countries have survived the death of their leader:

A French President died while fucking his mistress - typically French!

An Australian Prime Minister swam out to sea and was lost.

Winston Churchill, during his last term as Prime Minister, had a stroke but the government carried on as if nothing had happened.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Try the film "The Death of Stalin;" it might be an accurate description of succession in modern Russia.

 

[KeithD]

Russian leaders are all about maintaining the present. They don't give any thought to succession. That's Trump, as well.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Russian leaders are all about maintaining the present. They don't give any thought to succession. That's Trump, as well.

Not really, Pilot; Russia dismissed orderly succession with the Revolution. The modern approach comes into effect the moment a leader fails or dies: those who might take the position next have a free-for-all of alliance-making and competitor-eliminating until one emerges as the new strong man.

 

[KeithD]

Not really, Pilot; Russia dismissed orderly succession with the Revolution. The modern approach comes into effect the moment a leader fails or dies: those who might take the position next have a free-for-all of alliance-making and competitor-eliminating until one emerges as the new strong man.

I don't see how that contradicts anything I posted.

 

[jp55665566]

Russian leaders are all about maintaining the present. They don't give any thought to succession. That's Trump, as well.

Figures; since PRESIDENT Trump is actually a Russian Agent, right?

 

[Dumpington]

KeithD writes: "Russian leaders are all about maintaining the present. They don't give any thought to succession. That's Trump, as well."

President Trump doesn't have to worry about succession, as it's all spelled out very clearly in our U.S. Constitution. The Democratic Party is NOT very pleased with America's constitution right now, as it doesn't put Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton in the White House. Dems also dislike the 1st & 2nd amendments, the Electoral College, and how the U.S. Senate gets to run the presidential impeachment trial!

Tio Narratore writes: "Russia dismissed orderly succession with the Revolution."

This is true. The Soviet Union (and other Communist dictatorships, like Cuba) are run almost like the mafia, with secret infighting determining succession.

KeithD writes: "I don't see how that contradicts anything I posted."

The modern Democratic Party admires totalitarian states such as Marxist-dictatorships, Keith - just as they also tend to admire oppressive Islamic theocracies. Countries like Cuba, Iran, & Venezuela have always been popular with progressive left-wing Dems.

 

[ishtat]

This is true. The Soviet Union (and other Communist dictatorships, like Cuba) are run almost like the mafia, with secret infighting determining succession.

Cuba was run by the Mafia for 30 years prior to Castro. With the support of the US government.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

I don't see how that contradicts anything I posted.

You did say that the Russians give no thought to succession. I described the process they use. It is not thoughtless; it is a well-defined and common process. And they all know that's how it works. They do give thought. Some try to build up power and influence in anticipation of the opportunity to take control. That's why there are purges. It does require thought.

KeithD writes: "Russian leaders are all about maintaining the present. They don't give any thought to succession. That's Trump, as well."

President Trump doesn't have to worry about succession, as it's all spelled out very clearly in our U.S. Constitution. The Democratic Party is NOT very pleased with America's constitution right now, as it doesn't put Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton in the White House. Dems also dislike the 1st & 2nd amendments, the Electoral College, and how the U.S. Senate gets to run the presidential impeachment trial!

Tio Narratore writes: "Russia dismissed orderly succession with the Revolution."

This is true. The Soviet Union (and other Communist dictatorships, like Cuba) are run almost like the mafia, with secret infighting determining succession.

KeithD writes: "I don't see how that contradicts anything I posted."

The modern Democratic Party admires totalitarian states such as Marxist-dictatorships, Keith - just as they also tend to admire oppressive Islamic theocracies. Countries like Cuba, Iran, & Venezuela have always been popular with progressive left-wing Dems.

Sorry, Dumpington, but it is painfully obvious that Trump admires and wishes to emulate dictators. That's his "business model" for the US. The Republican Party has been actively opposing democracy since the demographics pointed to a future not controlled by old white men; they seem hell-bent on abusing the Constitution in order to establish a single-party state, much like Russia, Cuba, and others.
And, yes, I am an old white man. A very old and straight white man. Once a young white man who was shot at for his work in civil rights, beaten for his opposition to the Vietnam War, and then an older man who was delighted with the successes in civil rights, in women's equality, in the recognition that the Bill of Rights was there to protect individuals from the "tyranny of the majority," the election of a Black President, and the fact that a majority of voters voiced their support for a woman as President. And I will continue to work for the separation of Church and State. The Constitution does not assume that the US is a "Christian" country, and women, Blacks, Indians, Mexicans, Muslims, Jews, Homosexuals and everyone else are entitled to the same rights as any citizen, and the same protection of those rights against any who would abridge or deny them.

 

[KeithD]

You did say that the Russians give no thought to succession. I described the process they use. It is not thoughtless; it is a well-defined and common process. And they all know that's how it works. They do give thought. Some try to build up power and influence in anticipation of the opportunity to take control. That's why there are purges. It does require thought.

Nope. You're looking on the irrelevant side of the issue. The thought they put into succession is how to prevent an accepted, defined line of succession. And Putin is following this "other side of the issue" approach. If you keep pruning apparent agreed/perceived successors, you have less trouble staying in power until you're dead. And after you're dead, you don't give a shit what happens. That's exactly what Putin is doing. It's the natural path of dictators and it's Trump's attempted approach too.

And to Dump and Trump on the Constitution and succession. Trump has openly said he should just be continued as president beyond the constitutional provisions. Trump neither has read nor cares about the Constitution. We don't have to surmise that, the dummy has opened his yap and broadcast it himself.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

Nope. You're looking on the irrelevant side of the issue. The thought they put into succession is how to prevent an accepted, defined line of succession. And Putin is following this "other side of the issue" approach. If you keep pruning apparent agreed/perceived successors, you have less trouble staying in power until you're dead. And after you're dead, you don't give a shit what happens. That's exactly what Putin is doing. It's the natural path of dictators and it's Trump's attempted approach too.

And to Dump and Trump on the Constitution and succession. Trump has openly said he should just be continued as president beyond the constitutional provisions. Trump neither has read nor cares about the Constitution. We don't have to surmise that, the dummy has opened his yap and broadcast it himself.

We agree on the reality, Pilot; it's only on our interpretation of whether or not there's thought in the process of succession. And you do grant they they gave thought to it; what they thought was in opposition to a defined line of succession, not to succession itself.

 

[KeithD]

We agree on the reality, Pilot; it's only on our interpretation of whether or not there's thought in the process of succession. And you do grant they they gave thought to it; what they thought was in opposition to a defined line of succession, not to succession itself.

You are nitpicking. I meant they didn't give any thought to there being successors readily available. Yes, they obvious, from my discussion, give thought to there not being a nearby successor. Congrats or something on nitpicking when you knew what I meant.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

You are nitpicking. I meant they didn't give any thought to there being successors readily available. Yes, they obvious, from my discussion, give thought to there not being a nearby successor. Congrats or something on nitpicking when you knew what I meant.

I wasn't picking nits. I interpreted from what you said that you saw no conscious thought given to how a leader would be replaced. I was attempting to point out that there was thought and logic in the process they decided on.
I still don't think you see this as a process whereby the strongest contender would be the eventual successor, thus ensuring strong (if not just and reasonable) leadership. It is a conscious alternative to selection by popularity or heredity.It is not a random and/or thoughtless procedure for succession.