Role Playing ?

[Comshaw]

I'm primarily basing my response on one of our departed member's experience. ( Boxlicker ) He used to write a lot of age play, but about ten years ago, they started getting rejected. He also had at least one rejected after the fact that had been up for years.

Granted, he wasn't exactly try-hard on stressing it as role-play, and the stories were entirely centered on that kink.

I can't remember who or when the other mentions were, but Box brought up his experience during threads where others were reporting that their stories were being rejected as underage for age-play. At least one of them was a single scene in a larger story. None that I can recall were ever tweaked and passed, as opposed to removing the scene entirely.

I've seen a couple of stories with age-play scenes pass in the years since, but can't recall any strictly age-play stories making it through. Everything that I have noticed has leaned heavily into the 'young' character's POV and their arousal from the play. They also avoided triggers such as numerical ages, etc.

That's the only reason I say it's sketchy. Absent having seen those, I would be leaning toward the kink being completely off-limits, because absolutely none of those brought up here reached a resolution that included the story being approved with the age-play intact.

Most people writing age-play want it to come off more immersive than has ever been allowed. That's the primary stumbling block.

I believe I said:

Additionally, it has to do with how skillfully the age play is woven into the story and how it's described. I've read stories (on other sites) that were claimed to be about adults, but the narrative most definitely was not written to be adult role play. It was a thin and obvious cover for a pedo story. That would not, and should not, pass Laurel's muster. However, if done correctly and written clearly as to who is involved (adults), it would, as evidenced by Ogg's story. And yes, I can state with authority even mature people role-play.

As far as,
"...Most people writing age-play want it to come off more immersive than has ever been allowed..."

I think you are primarily right. Most who write age-play stories are, as you pointed out, trying to push the edge and are in actuality trying to squeeze a pedo story past the powers that be by camouflaging it as age play.

Let me see if I can clarify my point: I do not believe adult age play would be rejected IF it were woven into the story with enough descriptive backing that it could not be mistaken for anything else. Trying to disguise a story as one thing (age play) while in actuality it's another (pedo) ain't gunna' fly. The above bolded part of your post verifies my opinion.

The problem as I see it is the black/white opinion that has been expressed by more than a few in this thread that it won't work no matter what. It will work, IF it is done within the requirements of those running the site.

Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

I have a 12 chapter series about role play. The young lady is 24 and I stressed that a lot. As often as possible. After some PM's with Laurel and letting her read the first two chapters, she shot the whole thing down.

That was about ten years ago. They are gathering dust in their own little folder. It was fun writing but with no place for it to go I gave up on it.

Would you mind sending me the parts that are about role play? Or the whole thing if you feel like it. If it is as you describe, I'll be happy to eat Crow and say I am wrong.

Comshaw

 

[SimonDoom]

I believe I said:

Additionally, it has to do with how skillfully the age play is woven into the story and how it's described. I've read stories (on other sites) that were claimed to be about adults, but the narrative most definitely was not written to be adult role play. It was a thin and obvious cover for a pedo story. That would not, and should not, pass Laurel's muster. However, if done correctly and written clearly as to who is involved (adults), it would, as evidenced by Ogg's story. And yes, I can state with authority even mature people role-play.

As far as,
"...Most people writing age-play want it to come off more immersive than has ever been allowed..."

I think you are primarily right. Most who write age-play stories are, as you pointed out, trying to push the edge and are in actuality trying to squeeze a pedo story past the powers that be by camouflaging it as age play.

Let me see if I can clarify my point: I do not believe adult age play would be rejected IF it were woven into the story with enough descriptive backing that it could not be mistaken for anything else. Trying to disguise a story as one thing (age play) while in actuality it's another (pedo) ain't gunna' fly. The above bolded part of your post verifies my opinion.

The problem as I see it is the black/white opinion that has been expressed by more than a few in this thread that it won't work no matter what. It will work, IF it is done within the requirements of those running the site.

Comshaw

I haven't tried to publish a story of this sort yet, but I tend to agree with you. It seems to me there ought to be a way of getting it past the guard if it's done right.

I've known 40-something women who dressed as school girls. It's hot and kinky and great fun, and there's nothing remotely pedo about it. It ought to be possible to share experiences of that sort at Literotica without raising the underage red flag, because it has nothing to do with underage and that's not its appeal. The type of crowd that Literotica wants to avoid is not reading those stories. They want to read the real stuff, which I think many at Literotica understandably don't want to be associated with.

Ultimately, Laurel is going to decide, and she has the right to do it. But to me it seems like a subject that should be permissible if done right.

 

[RejectReality]

I have an age-play scene in Danica, and it passed not once but three times ( one edit early on for something cringe-worthy I can't remember, and then a full cleanup of the story before beginning to release the sequel ) Both of the edits had notes pointing out the age-play scene. I hadn't noted it in the original posting, because I was unaware it might be an issue at the time.

It leans heavily into the POV and the fact that it's role-play, which is why I assume it passed muster. It was also a long time ago.

A couple of my former teacher/student stories kind of lean that way as well. I wouldn't call them true age-play, but part of the kink is the power dynamic and calling her by the Ms. Whatever and "teacher voice" as if the relationship still exists. Those are much more recent. They're on the outer fringes of being age-play, though.

I don't think an absolute "forget it" applies, but there's been an observable tightening of the moderation on the kink, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that even those I've observed passing ( Probably five or six years ago now ) didn't make it out of the gate the first time, and required an appeal to make their way into public view.

It's also possible that they were missed in a skim read before approval. Those I noticed were scenes in larger stories. I can't recall any stories where age-play was the central kink passing muster since Box mentioned his rejections.

My best advice concerning age-play is to lean into the old standard. The scene or any significant portion of it can not be cut out of the story and read as underage. that means no "this is role-play" at the beginning and then no indications anywhere else, or only as a postscript at the end, or just those bookends. It needs to be obvious throughout the scene.

Even then, I wouldn't get my hopes up for it going through without an appeal/tweaking, and I would suggest being prepared for it to be a no-go.

There's no real penalty for giving it a shot, though. Lit isn't the type of site to ban you for submitting stories that breaks content rules. You might get a little more scrutiny if you keep doing it, but the one-off here and there isn't going to penalize you. The story won't go up, and that will be the end of it.

 

[TxRad]

Would you mind sending me the parts that are about role play? Or the whole thing if you feel like it. If it is as you describe, I'll be happy to eat Crow and say I am wrong.

Comshaw

Send me an e-mail address and I'll send you the two I sent Laurel.

I don't normally send out stuff I haven't posted already but....

How do you like your crow? Barbecued or fried?

 

[Comshaw]

Send me an e-mail address and I'll send you the two I sent Laurel.

I don't normally send out stuff I haven't posted already but....

How do you like your crow? Barbecued or fried?

Raw. I ain't one to pussy foot around it. When it is, it is.

To quote a line from a movie:
"When I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong."

Ten attaboys to anyone who knows from which movie that came.



Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

I have an age-play scene in Danica, and it passed not once but three times ( one edit early on for something cringe-worthy I can't remember, and then a full cleanup of the story before beginning to release the sequel ) Both of the edits had notes pointing out the age-play scene. I hadn't noted it in the original posting, because I was unaware it might be an issue at the time.

It leans heavily into the POV and the fact that it's role-play, which is why I assume it passed muster. It was also a long time ago.

A couple of my former teacher/student stories kind of lean that way as well. I wouldn't call them true age-play, but part of the kink is the power dynamic and calling her by the Ms. Whatever and "teacher voice" as if the relationship still exists. Those are much more recent. They're on the outer fringes of being age-play, though.

I don't think an absolute "forget it" applies, but there's been an observable tightening of the moderation on the kink, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that even those I've observed passing ( Probably five or six years ago now ) didn't make it out of the gate the first time, and required an appeal to make their way into public view.

It's also possible that they were missed in a skim read before approval. Those I noticed were scenes in larger stories. I can't recall any stories where age-play was the central kink passing muster since Box mentioned his rejections.

My best advice concerning age-play is to lean into the old standard. The scene or any significant portion of it can not be cut out of the story and read as underage. that means no "this is role-play" at the beginning and then no indications anywhere else, or only as a postscript at the end, or just those bookends. It needs to be obvious throughout the scene.

Even then, I wouldn't get my hopes up for it going through without an appeal/tweaking, and I would suggest being prepared for it to be a no-go.

There's no real penalty for giving it a shot, though. Lit isn't the type of site to ban you for submitting stories that breaks content rules. You might get a little more scrutiny if you keep doing it, but the one-off here and there isn't going to penalize you. The story won't go up, and that will be the end of it.

Well said, and exactly the point I've been trying to make. The cry of "it ain't gunna' work ever, no matter what! Stay completely away from the subject" is an absolute that isn't true.

The term "age play" can be defined in such a way as to exclude those things that might be acceptable here. If, for example, it is defined to mean that treading that 18 YO age line is the only real definition of age play, then of course it isn't going to pass. But if you take the term as intended, encompassing anything that can be included as age play, your experience getting it to pass the powers that be is an example that it can be done.

And as you stated, there is no penalty for trying, for having Laurel make a call on the acceptability of it. The only downside to that is if that dividing line is pushed on a regular basis, if stories are rejected time after time for the same thing. That might, no will color her view of the author's intentions.

Comshaw

 

[Bramblethorn]

I haven't tried to publish a story of this sort yet, but I tend to agree with you. It seems to me there ought to be a way of getting it past the guard if it's done right.

I've known 40-something women who dressed as school girls. It's hot and kinky and great fun, and there's nothing remotely pedo about it. It ought to be possible to share experiences of that sort at Literotica without raising the underage red flag, because it has nothing to do with underage and that's not its appeal.

On checking the "schoolgirl" tag, it looks as if Lit does have some stories in that vein. I think I've also encountered one or two with a "she wears her high school cheerleading outfit" story element.

In both cases, the ones I saw here didn't attempt any under-age RPing beyond the bare fact of wearing that costume - and of course there is some intersection between "schoolgirl" and "over 18" anyway.

 

[TxRad]

Comshaw, Did you get the stories?