Right wing Rambling #14: THE RACE CARD CONQUERS ALL

[Todd]

A couple of weeks ago I brought you the story of an athletic conference of 20 Catholic schools in Chicago. They were asked to vote on whether to admit St. Sabina, a school located in an inner-city neighborhood. The vote was 11 to 9 against admitting St. Sabina.

The school's pastor, the Rev. Michael Pfleger, immediately shouted racism! Racism! All those wealthy white parents didn't want their kids exposed to all those black people.

Fact is, the crime rate in the area surrounding St. Sabina is very high, and most of the schools in the league cited concerns for the safety of their students and parents.

Pastors from the schools pushed for a new vote. This time, the vote wouldn't be a blind vote. Everyone would know how each school voted. The pastors also intended to involve the head of the Archdiocese of Chicago's Office for Racial Justice.

The re-vote was held on June 20. The results of the new, non-blind vote? The schools voted unanimously in favor of admitting St. Sabina.

It's so easy to get what you want by crying racism. And it's sad to see these schools bow down so easily to racial intimidation.

http://frontpagemag.com/horowitzsnotepad/2001/hn06-26-01.htm

 

[lavender]

 

[Todd]

Whats false about it the pastor that cried racism alrady lost i think it was two maybe three sons in random gun shottings out side that very school last year. He knows the crime is extremely high in that area, but he would rather call racism and get all the other kids from other schools in an unsafe area and possibly killed like his own sons.

Race is more imortant than lives isn't it?

 

[Angel]

I'm sure they could have gotten around the location issues, Todd.

 

[Todd]

I'm sure they could have gotten around the location issues, Todd.

How? Load the school building up on a truck and move the whole building to a lower crime area?

 

[lavender]

 

[Angel]

Apparently you know nothing at all about innercity schools?


It was an athletic association, correct? You don't NEED a school to play sports. There are plenty of other places to hold the games. Which is what MY high school did.

 

[Todd]

Apparently you know nothing at all about innercity schools?


It was an athletic association, correct? You don't NEED a school to play sports. There are plenty of other places to hold the games. Which is what MY high school did.

The pastor "wants" the kids from other schools coming to his school.

 

[Angel]

You know, so what? Our football games and track meets were held a few streets over at the YMCA field. Our Softball/Baseball/Tennis games were held at the park at the other end of the street my School was on.

Our basketball games however were held in one of our gyms. Violence in the neighborhood never made it into one of our games.

And do you really think these kids should be left out because they're in this particular school?

We had to fight hard for alot of the things we wanted to MAKE our school a better place JUST because of the neighborhood it was in.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Todd, I've figured out why you can't get laid...you don't actually talk on dates, do you?

 

[lavender]

 

[Thomas Paine]

Jesus, Todd, you are a dimwit.

First of all, I live in Chicago. Right there in the dirty, congested, concrete-covered, full of people who are different colors from me city. My knowledge of the St. Sabina story has come from that noted left-wing organ, the Chicago Tribune. (That was sarcasm in case you didn't recognize it.)

The "pastor" you referred to, Michael Pfleger, didn't lose "two maybe three sons in random gun shottings" or any other kind of shottings (sic.) He's FATHER Pfleger, you nimrod, as in Catholic priest...celibate...no kids. Once again, you have shown that your factual moorings are non-existent.

Also, what your cut-and-paste excretion failed to mention is that the re-vote on admitting St. Sabina was called for publicly by Cardinal George, archbishop of Chicago, another noted left-wing operative. (More sarcasm.)

Also conveniently neglected from your report is the fact that during the first vote, one of the no-voting coaches was quoted as saying, and I paraphrase, "What happens when a bunch of white kids have to play those kids on their home turf?" But that's not racism, is it?

And just so you know where I'm coming from on this one, I think Father Pfleger is a big pain in the ass. He's always yelping about something but this time, unlike you, he's actually right for a change. (Not sarcasm.)

Tell me, Todd, what is it you're trying to accomplish? You post stuff that's a load of half-truths and biased crap, you dodge requests to explain it and, on the rare occasion you defend your postings, you are caught, time after fucking time, with your thumb up your ass.

 

[Todd]

your right it wasn't his bio son it was a foster so so I guess that doesn't count. Sorry for thinking a life lost was imporatnat.

 

[lavender]

 

[Thomas Paine]

your right it wasn't his bio son it was a foster so so I guess that doesn't count. Sorry for thinking a life lost was imporatnat.

Foster child? Prove it. I just dug through two years worth of news articles on Father Pfleger and found no such thing. What I did find is that the Chicago Police reported four murders within one mile of St. Sabina's this year. Are you trying to tell me that "two maybe three" were Pfleger's putative foster children?

Besides, your quote above was unresponsive and childish. Now you've got me fully engaged, Todd, so don't think you can spin me off with that weak attempt.

Oh, and since you like websites that criticize Michael Pfleger, I thought I'd do you a favor and pass on one that I found. I'm sure you'll fit right in: http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/spring1.htm
(Irony this time.)

 

[Thomas Paine]

Lavender, thanks for the kind words, but I'm not really interested in setting anybody straight, well, almost not anybody. *g*

The endless spout of drivel emanating from young master Todd is like Chinese water torture -- after you experience it long enough it drives you nuts. As I'm sure you have learned or are learning in your legal studies, opinions without a factual basis are just noise and I have a low tolerance for noise.

I respect other people's opinions, but I also expect them to be at least somewhat reasonable and for those who offer them to stand behind them. The fact that none of this happens with Todd is what drives me to combativeness.

Also, people like Todd and a few others I could name have this misconception that all liberals are sort of dopey, sandal-wearing, non-confrontational flower children who will run away crying when bullied. I look mean, know lots of big words, wear motorcycle boots and haven't yet met the person who can bully me, so stay tuned.

 

[teresafannin]

Todd is never going to change & I seriously doubt he is ever going to really grow up. In case you don't remember, Todd, my son was shot & killed in a middle class, predominately white church, located 5 minutes from my home. 6 other people died that night, so I guess by your reckoning, that church should be considered to be located in a crime ridden neighborhood?? It took that man less than 15 minutes to change our lives forever, but I forget, in your mind, everyone should be carrying a gun, no matter their mental state. Or do you think that someone in the church should have had a gun so we could have had a shootout with 400 kids in the middle of it. Violence is everywhere, as rational human beings, we have to do the best we can to make the world a safer place, cliche I know, but I seriously believe it. An extremely religious woman murdered her five children in an afternoon, who was safer, the basketball players in Chicago or those kids in a Houston suburb? I have said it before, you need to start thinking for yourself, make your own decisions & forget that you have a talent for cut & paste. You have a bad habit of lumping everyone & every situation together, the world isn't that simple, haven't you realized it yet?

 

[Andra_Jenny]

I can beat up Thomas Paine too!

Hey Lavender, why open it up, you know what you will find. I know what I will find and anymore, I just skip the Boortz part and read the responces.
Go back to light and witty slams.
Every one needs AJ's and Todd's on the board, so even the dimmest bulbs have someone to feel superior to.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Common Sense from Thomas Paine? Sheesh! What the hell is this country coming to? LOL

Let me save you some time...Todd thinks humans and Dinosaurs walked together. Honestly. No kidding. Two animals separated by over 60 MILLION years. Yeah, they had lunch together. Moronic, stupid and beyong ignorant are terms too nice to describe this position, easily refuted by a six year old boy with an annual pass to the Museum of Natural History and a T-Rex Mononopoly set. You think quoting news sources is going to make any difference to him about THIS situation?

 

[lavender]

 

[Weevil]

And let's not forget while marvelling at Thomas Paine's impressive research skills(Did he get a tape measure to see if those 4 murders were within a mile of the school) that this kind of article is the stuff that Todd posts day in and day out. All of his articles have these flaws(Most of which are simply poor readings of data and/or subjective arguments based on gaps in logic) but this is just a great example. Missing that the Priest was, in fact, a priest and fabricating the murders of his children(Read that statement again. The websites Todd C&P's from makes up Kids being killed to "prove" their point) is simply the worst example yet.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

DCL - Don't forget that we who believe in evolution think humans evolved from rocks. Now, that's a saying of Todd's I will NEVER forget.

"I'm more interested in the Rock of Ages than the age of rocks."

Excerpt from Testimony at the Scopes Monkey Trial, or another way of saying "I've traveled all over the globe, but I'm sticking with the whole 'Earth is Flat' Theory."

 

[Unclebill]

Originally posted by lavender
After reading more of Horowitz's work I see why Todd is so sadly misled.

Your insight is impressive. Is the article referenced below the source for your opinion?

Originally posted by lavender
Horowitz doesn't believe that America is a racist society at all. Not only that, he is of the belief that since Israel is a democracy, they should have never been condemned by the UN for practicing Zionism, a proclaimed form of racism in and of itself.

At least, if you're going to make such a flagrantly dishonest claim, you shouldn't provide others with the ammunition to destroy your argument.

And I believe he is accurate in that America is not a racist society. He openly states that there are racists among us but our society as a whole is NOT racist. And if you are willing to take a step back and look honestly and objectively at things, which party and political persuasion is it that ALWAYS sees people in a Balkanized view of groups composed of skin color, ethnic heritage, sexual preference, etc. Is that the Republicans and the Right or is it the Democrats and the Liberals/Left who are continually proclaiming that they are color-blind despite the fact that their every policy decision is aimed to aid this skin color group or that ethnic group?

I'd like to know how you can honestly and objectively intellectually correlate the dichotomy of their behaviors and their public proclamations.

All Horowitz said in this article is that while the U. N. has condemned Israel, it has not made any such condemnations of three African nations who commit atrocities at least as bad if not more pervasive than those of Israel.

How you managed to twist that statement into approval (condemning the U. N. condemnation) of Israel's' actions amazes me. He merely pointed out the blatant hypocrisy of the U. N. in its actions.

How do you distort and twist this into approval? That's truly an amazing leap even for a Liberal.

For lack of a better explanation, this smacks strongly of the Left's attack the messenger when the message can't be refuted from an intellectual position.

Originally posted by lavender
He calls Rodney King's plight an "alleged injustice" and any type of activity to promote anything different "radical or extreme leftist."

Rodney King brought on himself the treatment he received. In fact, in one interview following the mass media hysterical blitz defending this poor abused criminal thug said the police handled it badly letting things proceed as long as they did. Had they handled it IAW department SOP, they would have SHOT HIM several minutes sooner than the time it took them to subdue him.

Anyone who wants to offer this thug as a hero should really take an objective look at what they are implying about themselves. When you want to make a hero of a thug who was endangering the lives of innocent people at speeds up to 80 mph in LA city streets, you really give me cause to question your values and integrity. Because if this is what you regard as a hero (a potential role model), what are your values? What are your attitudes toward the lives and property of others? Do you see any clear distinction between good and evil?

Does it enter into your perception at all that King attempted to attack a police officer and King's attack initiated the infamous footage that received so much publicity? Or the fact that he committed a criminal act is of no consequence, much in the same manner as the blind, unprincipled, unthinking support of Clinton?

Originally posted by lavender
Just check out this article. You will learn to dislike the man as much as I do.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/horowitzsnotepad/2000/hn09-26-00.htm

In fact, reading this makes me respect his courage and objectivity more than ever. But I'm sure your declaration is true for those of the Liberal persuasion and the farther Left, the more they will side with your opinion. Because there, apparently, fact and reason range from mere annoyances to serious impediments.

 

[Texan]

I haven't been posting in this thread

but I'm reading it very intently. Unclebill, I noticed exactly the things you eloquently pointed out about lavender's "twist" on the Horowitz articles.

I have to admit, I enjoyed reading the Horowitz debate with the liberal school teacher. The series is on the website lavender linked. I have never been the biggest fan of Horowitz, but only because I'm not sure he chooses his battles wisely. His logic and passion are admirable.

I have stayed out of this thread mainly because I am not even a little bit familiar with the Chicago Catholic school story that was the foundation of the thread. But I am left with a lingering question. Do you really think that the eleven Catholic school principals who originally voted to deny the mostly African-American ELEMENTARY school from admission in their "league", did so because they are racists? I doubt we can ever really know the answer to that, but I doubt those priests are racists. I prefer to think they had other reasons for their votes. But other reasons, whatever they might be, will usually evaporate in the face of being called a racist.

 

[Thomas Paine]

DCL:

Nope, I realize it's like beating my head against a wall, a very thick, obtuse wall. However, as I noted to dear Lavender, enough of this tripe just gets to be enough and some days, when I'm feeling sufficiently ornery, I just have to stir some actual facts into Todd's fetid stew. Nothing I say will ever make any difference to him, but it might make others ask a few questions before they swallow wholesale hogwash.

EBW:

Nah, my only tape measure is your standard 25' foot yellow Stanley. Those stats are courtesy of the CPD -- they like to measure those things.

TEXAN:

A reasonable doubt to have, that men of the cloth would be racists. However, the people who voted on whether to admit St. Sabina weren't priests, they were coaches, parents of students, who are officials of the athletic conference.

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Oddly enough, I was suppposed to go to a press conference yesterday at which Father Pfleger was present. Too bad I didn't go, I could have inquired after the family...