Revolution?

[oggbashan]

Only an Amicus, as ignorant as he is of his own country's history, would advocate another Civil War.

The divisions caused by your last one haven't fully healed yet.

Og

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

OG

You dont understand our history. Jefferson hisself advocated fertilizing the Liberty Tree with the blood of tyrants and patriots occasionally.

 

[TxRad]

The only thing I see revolving is Amies head.

 

[Boota]

Amicus, you should really quit thinking of yourself as a patriot. You were on here a few months ago siding with Rush Limbaugh hoping that Obama would fail. Hoping that the American President will fail is rooting against America. (Expecting it, as most everyone did with W, is far different than hoping for it.) I have no respect for W, but I never hoped for him to fail. Despite what I knew would happen, I hoped for him to succeed. I want us to win the war that we shouldn't be in. I wanted to be wrong about what I thought was going to happen under his "leadership". (I wasn't.) A failing President is a failing America.

Patriots make sacrifices for their countries, for the greater good. You have no interest in sacrifice or the greater good. Patriotism isn't waving the flag faster than everyone else. It's a steady dedication of action and thought with the best hopes for your country and its people ahead of your own selfish desires. That most definitely is not you. You're just like all conservatives. You say you love America. Just not Americans, I guess.

You are no patriot. You are a mimic of the famous angry talk show guys you apparently idolize with all their bluster and impotent rage and flawed logic.

Patriots sacrifice. What will you sacrifice for the greater good?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Most political leaders are imbeciles and criminals; countless numbers of them lead their constituents down the road to hell. Even George Washington didnt whoop for Revolution till the Brits fucked him out of land grants he got for the French & Indian War.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Patriots sacrifice. What will you sacrifice for the greater good?

He doesn't have anything to sacrifice.

maybe his dentures.

 

[cloudy]

Only an Amicus, as ignorant as he is of his own country's history, would advocate another Civil War.

The divisions caused by your last one haven't fully healed yet.

Og

Indeed.

Oh, and ami...just because I feel like your education is completely lacking, not all Native bands were nomadic. The Choctaw weren't, nor were the Cherokee, the Chickasaw, the Creek or the Seminole, and that's just one corner of this country.

Your stereotyping of all Native bands as the plains type just highlights your absolute ignorance.

 

[PoppingTom]

Islamic and Muslem extremists have demonstrated that they will make the ultimate sacrifice for their way of life; do you expect true Americans to do anything less?

So you confess that everything that differs you from Muslim extremists is the ideology?

In my view of the coming upheaval, you will be transported to barren land, given material to build a shelter and seeds to start a garden and pretty much left to weed yourselves out.

Those that survive may be fit to join the human race again...

Get a few supporters who "optimize" this idea, and you have Nazi ideology in its finest.

 

[amicus]

Only an Amicus, as ignorant as he is of his own country's history, would advocate another Civil War.

The divisions caused by your last one haven't fully healed yet.

Og

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From time to time it becomes necessary to remind Oggbashan of the much less than perfect record of Great Britain concerning Colonization to the extent the sun never set on the Empire.

I wonder if Ogg still lives in the Glory Days of Empire and sill resents the successful Revolution of America?

ami

 

[amicus]

Amicus, you should really quit thinking of yourself as a patriot. You were on here a few months ago siding with Rush Limbaugh hoping that Obama would fail. Hoping that the American President will fail is rooting against America. (Expecting it, as most everyone did with W, is far different than hoping for it.) I have no respect for W, but I never hoped for him to fail. Despite what I knew would happen, I hoped for him to succeed. I want us to win the war that we shouldn't be in. I wanted to be wrong about what I thought was going to happen under his "leadership". (I wasn't.) A failing President is a failing America.

Patriots make sacrifices for their countries, for the greater good. You have no interest in sacrifice or the greater good. Patriotism isn't waving the flag faster than everyone else. It's a steady dedication of action and thought with the best hopes for your country and its people ahead of your own selfish desires. That most definitely is not you. You're just like all conservatives. You say you love America. Just not Americans, I guess.

You are no patriot. You are a mimic of the famous angry talk show guys you apparently idolize with all their bluster and impotent rage and flawed logic.

Patriots sacrifice. What will you sacrifice for the greater good?

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Obama is a socialist; I want that to fail and I am heartened by the Tea Party uprisings all across the country that are resisting this move to the left.

Your jumbled thoughts on self interest and sacrifice are juvenile. Rational self interest, individual responsibility translates to a National character of individualism. People do not recieve their baisc character from government, they do so in spite of what government may do as the natural and rational lifestyle is one of self interest, innovation and excellence....terms apparenly without meaning to you.

Amicus

 

[amicus]

So you confess that everything that differs you from Muslim extremists is the ideology?

Get a few supporters who "optimize" this idea, and you have Nazi ideology in its finest.[/QUOTE]

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As Bin Lauden said, "We worship Death, Americans worship Life..." So, yes, an ideology is fundamental and is either right or wrong.

Nazism, National Socialism, is just the opposite to what I advocate, which you would understand if only you could read.

Amicus

 

[amicus]

Indeed.

Oh, and ami...just because I feel like your education is completely lacking, not all Native bands were nomadic. The Choctaw weren't, nor were the Cherokee, the Chickasaw, the Creek or the Seminole, and that's just one corner of this country.

Your stereotyping of all Native bands as the plains type just highlights your absolute ignorance.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Ah, Cloudy, I have no objections to your tunnel vision for Native Americans and in your eyes they had a perfect society that was ruined by contact with Europeans.

In truth, they were in large, savage, warring tribes, aboriginal by nature and doomed to be absorbed by the first society that came in contact with them.

As time goes by we learn that most likely, the first Native Americans were migrating from Europe, not Siberia. Both tool styles and DNA support that theory and it seems they following the ice pack across the Atlantic from Spain and France.

Interesting, eh?

Amicus

 

[PoppingTom]

So, yes, an ideology is fundamental and is either right or wrong.

How can you live in a democracy (and defend the thought of it), if you have such thoughts?

 

[Pure]

simple question

is the US has been taken over by Stalinists, *or is about to be*,

why, i ask, is it the folks at Aetna, and the stock traders are blissfully UNaware?

Aetna', third largest healcare and insurance corp, hit a new high on Monday, maintained today.

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http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Aetna_(AET)

Aetna (AET) Hits New High Following Health Care Reform Vote

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ami truly lives on another planet. on Earth, USA, the health insurance corps are alive and well, and expecting to make a bundle.
THEY REMAIN PRIVATELY OWNED. there will just be a few gov. guidelines in place to prevent the deeper and more unconscionable forms of gouging or failure to honor policies.

ami--big surprise-- is clearly NOT so opposed to using force in resolving matters, provided the guns and bombs are used by the far right fellows with America's colors on their T-shirts.

 

[amicus]

How can you live in a democracy (and defend the thought of it), if you have such thoughts?[/QUOTE]

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I live in a Republic, not a Democracy, and in our Republic, the rights of the individual are enumerated and supercede that of the majority or the government.

Amicus

 

[PoppingTom]

I live in a Republic, not a Democracy

I've cut that out and pinned it on my wall....the words of a real American freedom fighter.....

 

[bronzeage]

How can you live in a democracy (and defend the thought of it), if you have such thoughts?[/QUOTE]

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I live in a Republic, not a Democracy, and in our Republic, the rights of the individual are enumerated and supercede that of the majority or the government.

Amicus

I've cut that out and pinned it on my wall....the words of a real American freedom fighter.....

What he means is that he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it, because his rights supersede the majority. Unless he wants to marry a man. That's not covered.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I've cut that out and pinned it on my wall....the words of a real American freedom fighter.....

He is right, the United State of America is a representative Republic, not a democracy.

 

[PoppingTom]

What he means is that he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it, because his rights supersede the majority. Unless he wants to marry a man. That's not covered.

I think, you can use the absolutely same sentence in a dictatorship.

And most of the dictatorships were called "Republics".

Interesting that a freedom fighter says "I'm not living in a democracy."

 

[sadangel]

What he means is that he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it, because his rights supersede the majority. Unless he wants to marry a man. That's not covered.

*giggles*

 

[oggbashan]

~~~

From time to time it becomes necessary to remind Oggbashan of the much less than perfect record of Great Britain concerning Colonization to the extent the sun never set on the Empire.

I wonder if Ogg still lives in the Glory Days of Empire and sill resents the successful Revolution of America?

ami

Had I been in the 13 Colonies at the time of the American Revolution, I, like many people in the UK did at that time, would have supported the cause of "No taxation without representation".

The UK government of the day was incompetent and criminal to push the colonists beyond the point of no return.

Have you looked at the US's record on colonisation recently? Particularly Mexico, the Phillipines and its treatment of Native Americans?

We Brits know and acknowledge what we did. Our record isn't wholly bad. For example we made it a matter of national policy to abolish slavery worldwide. Unfortunately we still haven't succeeded.

When you know what your country did, perhaps we can discuss better.

Og

 

[Pure]

ami--liberty-talking theocrat

Amicus: I live in a Republic, not a Democracy, and in our Republic, the rights of the individual are enumerated and supercede[sic] that of the majority or the government.


Bronze age

What he means is that he can do whatever the fuck he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it, because his rights supersede the majority. Unless he wants to marry a man. That's not covered.

right on, bronzie:

Ami wants the smallest possible federal government-- yielding very low taxes.

BUT there are exceptions in the folowing areas and issues:

fighting terrorism, (gov rights to arrest and detain w/o charge)
waging overseas wars
monitoring abortions and punishing those involved.
preventing gays from 'propagating' their life style, holding certain jobs, marrying, telling hs students about the life.

in general, promoting Jerry Falwell's agenda.

 

[bronzeage]

I think, you can use the absolutely same sentence in a dictatorship.

And most of the dictatorships were called "Republics".

Interesting that a freedom fighter says "I'm not living in a democracy."

That maybe true about the dictatorships, but the word "Republic" goes back a long way.

In the Republic of the United States of America, we elect people to manage government for us. We elect them to use their judgment. Sometimes this means they must disregard prevailing sentiment and actually go against the current wishes of the majority.

This is what we pay them to do. If our elected officials did nothing but reflect the opinion poll of the day, we wouldn't need them. It is a difficult job, with little apparent reward or satisfaction.

On election day, the more intelligent citizens of the Republic consider the office holders performance (how he has exercised his judgment on our behalf) and decide to return him to office or choose another.

The less intelligent make this decision based on one, or maybe two of his/her judgments.

I like the Republic way of doing things. I don't have time to invade Iraq or write paychecks for FBI agents. I pass that job on to someone who is better informed. I'll check up on him from time to time and replace him if needed.

 

[LaRocha]

The US Constitution isn't about individual freedom.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

It's downright Thomas More, Dē optimō reī pūblicae statū dēque novā īnsulā Ūtopiā

 

[PoppingTom]

That maybe true about the dictatorships, but the word "Republic" goes back a long way.

In the Republic of the United States of America, we elect people to manage government for us. We elect them to use their judgment. Sometimes this means they must disregard prevailing sentiment and actually go against the current wishes of the majority.

.....

I like the Republic way of doing things. I don't have time to invade Iraq or write paychecks for FBI agents. I pass that job on to someone who is better informed. I'll check up on him from time to time and replace him if needed.

OK, but what differs this from being a democracy ?