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[KeithD]

True. They also took up arms against their country in order to preserve slavery. Not something they deserve to be honoured for.

Well, there were other things (and Lee didn't have slaves. His wife inherited them and Lee was on record as opposing slavery and slowly freed the ones his father-in-law left to Lee's wife as employment could be found for them. He emancipated all of his wife's inherited slaves while the vice president of the United States still had them).

He headed the engineering effort that tamed the Mississippi and established the Midwest as the food basket of the nation. That was more honor worthy than a lot of others could claim from that era.

The era was a little more complicated than that, though. Southern states had a constitutional right to secede, which Lee's state, Virginia, did, so they are traitors pretty much only because the North didn't take "good-bye" as an answer and the South lost.

 

[KeithD]

Those are interesting statements. Please explain:

What were Lee's positions on equal rights for blacks?

Where in the Constitution does it discuss secession?

How was the Mississippi River "tamed?"

How did he "establish" the Midwest as a food basket?

You might look into Lincoln's positions on equal rights. You might look at just about anyone's position on equal rights in the middle of the nineteenth century. What century did you think the Civil War was in? You probably don't even know those in the North had slaves too.

The Constitution doesn't discuss it. That means it wasn't unsanctioned. In that time (again what century do you think this was in?), the states were accorded more sovereign rights than they are now. Cite something saying they had given over their right to pull out of the Union.

The Mississippi was tamed by U.S. engineers (under Lee) engineering channel control so that the river could be navigated by large vessels, which answers the next question. Providing a cost efficient access to markets made putting the fertile land of the Midwest to "national bread basket" production use.

Are you too lazy to google this stuff yourself? Don't ask any more questions on stuff like this. I'm not your librarian.

And twenty-first-century PC concepts didn't predominate in the nineteenth century. Don't be so naïve.

 

[JackLuis]

I grant you that Lee was a talented and effective administrator BUT, Virginia put up his statue for his treason, not his engineering talent.

 

[phrodeau]

That’s ridiculous. Nobody will forget about Robert E. Lee just because his statue is removed from public land.

 

[JackLuis]

Conservative columnist links all Republicans to the attack on Lafayette Square

Monday afternoon, President Donald Trump decided to walk across Lafayette Square for a photo-op. To get there, however, it took an outright battle with mounted park police, police covered in body armor and rattled Secret Service members who had just rushed the president to the bunker several nights before. Armed with semi-automatic weapons and military gear, they staged a siege on Lafayette Square against unarmed hippies, woke whites and people of color, again, forced to fight for justice.

Writing for the Washington Post Wednesday, conservative columnist Max Boot attacked Attorney General Bill Barr, who accepted responsibility for demanding that demonstrators be tear-gassed, beaten and shot with rubber bullets. Like Bull Conor ordering fire hoses on students marching in Birmingham, Alabama, Barr’s attack on Lafayette Square for a photo-op proved he is willing to do what it takes to stroke the fractured ego of a president forced to cower in a bunker.

“By contrast, when gun-waving white extremists terrorized the Michigan Legislature last month to protest public health decrees, Trump advocated a policy of appeasement. ‘The Governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire,’ he tweeted. Now, Trump is stoking the fires of racial discord as out-to-lunch Republicans pretend not to notice,” Boot closed, quoting Atlantic writer Anne Applebaum saying “history will judge the complicit.”

“But we don’t have to wait for the judgment of history. Voters can and should deliver their own judgment on Nov. 3: Vote out Trump’s collaborators. Every single one,” he explained.

 

[YDB95]

Well, there were other things (and Lee didn't have slaves. His wife inherited them and Lee was on record as opposing slavery and slowly freed the ones his father-in-law left to Lee's wife as employment could be found for them. He emancipated all of his wife's inherited slaves while the vice president of the United States still had them).

I don't know where you heard that, but the truth is he only freed his slaves after being forced to do so in losing a lawsuit:

Lee’s heavy hand on the Arlington, Virginia, plantation, Pryor writes, nearly led to a slave revolt, in part because the enslaved had been expected to be freed upon their previous master’s death, and Lee had engaged in a dubious legal interpretation of his will in order to keep them as his property, one that lasted until a Virginia court forced him to free them.

Lots more where that came from here: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

 

[JackLuis]

Rudy Giuliani melts down after Piers Morgan calls him ‘completely barking mad’ in train wreck interview

Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani went completely off the rails during an interview with British journalist Piers Morgan on Thursday after Morgan confronted the former New York mayor about some of President Donald Trump’s inflammatory tweets.

During the interview, Morgan demanded to know why it was acceptable for Trump to send out a tweet that promoted the shooting of looters.

“I quoted him from his own tweet, what are you talking about?” said Morgan.

After listening to Giuliani rant more, Morgan interrupted him and said, “You sound completely barking mad.”

“No I don’t!” Giuliani countered. “You sound like a big liar!”

Woof Woof Woof!

 

[JackLuis]

‘Party of Lincoln is dead, dead, dead’: Ex-House Republican lawyer says it’s time to give up on ‘hopeless’ GOP

Former House Republican Congressional Committee Investigative Counsel Sophia Nelson this week published a scathing column about her former party in which she encouraged Americans to simply give up hope that it will ever properly serve as a check on President Donald Trump.

In her latest Daily Beast column, Nelson called the GOP “hopeless” and declared that “the party of Lincoln is dead, dead, dead” after so many of its members stayed silent in the wake of Trump’s widely panned photo-op stunt at St. John’s Church in Washington D.C.

In fact, Nelson went so far as to say that GOP senators shouldn’t be forgiven even if they start properly attacking Trump right now.

“Republican senators cannot redeem themselves,” she wrote. “That ship sailed during the impeachment trial, when Republican senators blocked witnesses… The Party of Lincoln is long gone. It is dead. It was murdered by Donald Trump and a cadre of Republican members of Congress, governors, and surrogates across the land.”

 

[JackLuis]

Lindsey Graham lashes out at Mattis for criticizing Trump — and suggests he’s been duped by the ‘liberal media’

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Thursday lashed out at Gen. James Mattis, President Donald Trump’s former Defense secretary.

“To General Mattis, I think you’re missing something here, my friend. You’re missing the fact that the liberal media has taken every event in the last three-and-a-half years and laid it at the president’s feet,” Graham said on Fox News, according to Axios.

“You don’t quite understand that from the time President Trump wakes up until he goes to bed, there’s an effort to destroy his presidency,” Graham lamented. “It is so fashionable to blame President Trump for every wrong in America.”

No Trump is not responsible for this shit show, Republicans bare the most responsibility. Good thing y'all killed it!

 

[jaF0]

that from the time ['Rumpy] wakes up until he goes to bed, there’s an effort to destroy his presidency,

Well, if he didn't wake up, or if he simply kept his mouth shut, he wouldn't be seen as doing that.

 

[JackLuis]

GOP’s Murkowski praises Mattis’s ‘honest and overdue’ Trump criticism — and suggests she won’t back his 2020 campaign

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) on Thursday praised former Defense Secretary James Mattis for speaking out against President Donald Trump, and then suggested she may not back his 2020 reelection campaign.

As reported by Politico’s Andrew Desiderio, Murkowski described Mattis’s statement denouncing the president as “true, honest, necessary and overdue.”

“Perhaps we’re getting to the point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally, and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up,” Murkowski added.

The senator said that she was still “struggling” over whether to support Trump’s reelection campaign, despite the fact that she seemingly endorsed Mattis’s claim that the president was a danger to the future of American democracy.

She may get "very concerned" soon, maybe!

 

[hogjack]

Hispanic Americans Abandon Democrat Party as Cities Burn

 

[KeithD]

GOP’s Murkowski praises Mattis’s ‘honest and overdue’ Trump criticism — and suggests she won’t back his 2020 campaign



She may get "very concerned" soon, maybe!

We'll see how long it takes her to get very off her ass and do something constructive and American. It's really too late for any of the Republican senators other than Romney.

 

[phrodeau]

You might look into Lincoln's positions on equal rights. You might look at just about anyone's position on equal rights in the middle of the nineteenth century. What century did you think the Civil War was in? You probably don't even know those in the North had slaves too.

The Constitution doesn't discuss it. That means it wasn't unsanctioned. In that time (again what century do you think this was in?), the states were accorded more sovereign rights than they are now. Cite something saying they had given over their right to pull out of the Union.

The Mississippi was tamed by U.S. engineers (under Lee) engineering channel control so that the river could be navigated by large vessels, which answers the next question. Providing a cost efficient access to markets made putting the fertile land of the Midwest to "national bread basket" production use.

Are you too lazy to google this stuff yourself? Don't ask any more questions on stuff like this. I'm not your librarian.

And twenty-first-century PC concepts didn't predominate in the nineteenth century. Don't be so naïve.

Why should Robert E. Lee get a statue? He didn’t rate getting his picture on Confederate banknotes. I looked it up on Google.

 

[jaF0]

Why does the Lee Monument look like the Washington Monument?

 

[JackLuis]

GOP senator derails Lindsey Graham’s Obamagate hearing with profanity-laced rant on ‘grandstanding’

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) blasted senators on the Judiciary Committee on Thursday for what he said was “grandstanding for the cameras” at a hearing to review former special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

“It’s bullshit the way people grandstand for cameras in here,” Sasse told the committee. “The reality is if we didn’t have cameras in this room, the discussion would be different. The Senate doesn’t work. It doesn’t defuse the partisan tensions that are leading the country toward dissolution.”

“Ninety percent of our committees are about people trolling for soundbites,” the senator added. “That’s what actually happens. Some of us have other work to do. People can troll for soundbites whenever they want.”

 

[JackLuis]

GOP senator announces he’ll block two Trump nominees until he gets answers on fired watchdogs

On Thursday, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) announced that he would block two Trump administration nominees until the president conveys to him the reasons for firing inspectors general.

Trump, Grassley warned, is “flouting” federal laws protecting inspectors general and requiring the executive branch to submit cause for termination to Congress — and said “All I want is a reason” for why they were fired.

Over the last few months, the president has fired multiple inspectors general. One of the most controversial firings was Steve Linick, the State Department inspector general, who had been conducting multiple investigations into Secretary of State Mike Pompeo for possible misuse of government resources and bypassing Congressional oversight on a Saudi arms deal.

Pompeo, who gave Trump the recommendation to fire Linick, has denied he knew the IG was investigating him — but Linick recently told Congress that he had relayed details of the investigation to multiple close advisers of the secretary.

Some Republicans are trying to distance themselves from Trumpski, like folks won't remember that they supported him during the IMPEACHMENT! You had your chance ass holes!

 

[JackLuis]

While R.E. Lee was not a Republican, I'll post this here for Pilot's education.

The Myth of the Kindly General Lee

The legend of the Confederate leader’s heroism and decency is based in the fiction of a person who never existed.

The strangest part about the continued personality cult of Robert E. Lee is how few of the qualities his admirers profess to see in him he actually possessed.

Memorial Day has the tendency to conjure up old arguments about the Civil War. That’s understandable; it was created to mourn the dead of a war in which the Union was nearly destroyed, when half the country rose up in rebellion in defense of slavery. In 2017, the removal of Lee’s statue in New Orleans has inspired a new round of commentary about Lee, not to mention protests on his behalf by white supremacists.

The myth of Lee goes something like this: He was a brilliant strategist and devoted Christian man who abhorred slavery and labored tirelessly after the war to bring the country back together.

I'll not quote further and allow you to read the article if you wish. Suffice to say that Lee was a traitor and a White Supremacist unworthy of our veneration.

 

[KeithD]

While R.E. Lee was not a Republican, I'll post this here for Pilot's education.

The Myth of the Kindly General Lee



I'll not quote further and allow you to read the article if you wish. Suffice to say that Lee was a traitor and a White Supremacist unworthy of our veneration.

I didn't post that he was a saint and you (not surprisingly) haven't addressed what I did post. The bottom line is that interpreting history belongs to the victors--that's what has led to the demonizing both of the southern states' rights at the time to secede if they wanted to and of everything Lee ever was and did. There also is the insistence to judge the nineteenth century (selectively, as in this case) from twenty-first century morality. "Equal rights" wasn't a "thing" in the nineteenth century--not for women, not for people of color (even in the North), not for children, not for indentured servants, not for men without property, not for Irish immigrants--and not even by Abraham Lincoln, except as it suited his war plans.

 

[YDB95]

Hispanic Americans Abandon Democrat Party as Cities Burn

Or so says Some Guy on the Internet without even a link.

 

[KeithD]

Or so says Some Guy on the Internet without even a link.

When all you want to be is provocative you don't need anything to actually link to or even have ever heard or read.

 

[JackLuis]

GOP official defends post blaming George Soros for ‘staged’ killing of George Floyd: I wanted to ‘get people to think for themselves’

The chairman of the Harrison County Republican Party in Texas is under fire after he shared a conspiracy theory on his party’s Facebook page claiming that the death of George Floyd “staged” by George Soros, CBS19 reports.

The post shared by Lee Lester was also previously shared by Bexar County GOP Chairwoman Cynthia Brehm — which prompted Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to call for her resignation.
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“These officers were involved with something, I’m not sure exactly what, but something is just not adding up,” the post read. “I think there is at the very least the ‘possibility’, that this was a filmed public execution of a black man by a white cop, with the purpose of creating racial tensions and driving a wedge in the growing group of anti deep state sentiment from common people, that have already been psychologically traumatized by Covid 19 fears.”

They were involved with excessive force and murder, Ass hole!

 

[JackLuis]

Jeb Bush wonders why Republicans are not ‘stepping up’ to condemn racism

Former Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL) wondered on Friday why more Republicans were not standing publicly against racism.

“I have said it before and I will say it again now: the GOP must not tolerate racism. Of any kind. At any time,” his son, George P. Bush, the Texas Land Commissioner posted on Twitter.

He urged local GOP officials in Texas to resign for sharing racist posts on Facebook.

The Republican party died when they followed Trumpy into a repudiation of our Republican principles. Racism is the least of their crimes.

 

[YDB95]

The Republican party died when they followed Trumpy into a repudiation of our Republican principles.

What Republican principles? They've been running on racism since 1964. The only thing Trump has done differently is to be open about the racism.

 

[Schlank]

What Republican principles? They've been running on racism since 1964. The only thing Trump has done differently is to be open about the racism.

Yes, Republicans have been running on racism since 1964, but during my lifetime Republicans have had some principles that they seemed to hold dear.

1. NATIONAL SECURITY: The Republicans were adamant about protecting America from foreign threats, especially if those threats originated in Russia.

2. NATO. Some of the Republicans during my lifetime might not have liked the Canadians or the French, but they loved the military alliance that they belonged to! Republicans loved NATO!

3. RESPECT FOR OUR VETERANS, MILITARY OFFICER AND ACTIVE DUTY TROOPS. The Republicans during my lifetime have acted like no Democrats have ever served in the armed forces and that only Republicans have the bravery, self-confidence and self-discipline to serve in America's armed forces. Republicans treated America's veterans and active duty troops as important people, deserving of respect, acknowledgement and financial benefits not accorded civilians.

4. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY Republicans during my lifetime have insisted that if you failed, you should own your failures. You should never blame your failures on shitty parents, bad schools, bad teachers or the fact that you were born into poverty. Republicans instead preached that if you failed you should take personal responsibility for your failures. You should never blame anybody else for them.

Under Trump ALL of these principles have been thrown out the window. The Republican Party under Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell doesn't give a shit about America's national security, they don't give a shit about NATO, they have NO respect for our veterans, our military officers or our active duty troops and Trump pisses all over the idea of personal responsibility! Trump NEVER takes responsibility for his own failures!