Republicans

[sunstruck]

I would just like to state that we DO have Republicans in Mass. We keep them in cages for tourist attractions.

The only thing I have against Repulicans is that USUALLY (note I did not say always or may a difinitive statement of any kind) they tend to remove arts as the first step to lower funds for public schools.

Oh and Never, that looks like one of those fake rubber nipples. Does it taste funny?

 

[floridaguy64]

Why is it that a debate should become an issue of enjoyment?

Debate stirs the innermost thoughts of a human being... to express to them what really counts in life...

Is debate something then to be a form of satirical ridicule? To be mired in comical rhetoric?...

I think not.

 

[sunstruck]

Is debate something then to be a form of satircal ridicule? To be mired in comical rhetoric?...

I think not.

A debate is whatever the debators wish to make of it.

 

[Ishmael]

I would just like to state that we DO have Republicans in Mass. We keep them in cages for tourist attractions.

The only thing I have against Repulicans is that USUALLY (note I did not say always or may a difinitive statement of any kind) they tend to remove arts as the first step to lower funds for public schools.

Oh and Never, that looks like one of those fake rubber nipples. Does it taste funny?

Man, that sounds like a 'hanging offense' to me.

What the hell are you talking about? It seems to me that art has been with us for as long as the species has been on the face of the earth, and no one had to learn it in school. Art is NOT a primary education option. It is a life option, but not one that will impact the ability to function in society, like, oh say, reading and writing and general math.

Education, at the primary and secondary level, is about developing skills that anyone can learn. Art is a talent. No school can teach talent. Are you suggesting they can, or are you suggesting that the school system should cater itself to those that have the 'talent'?

Ishmael

 

[floridaguy64]

A debate is whatever the debators wish to make of it.

Yet, All in all, do you initiate a debate for the sake of enjoyment?... or do you initiate the debate for what it might ultimately do for mankind? In our times, debates mean so much more than they did just 30 years ago.

15 years ago, we as a country were still debating ABOUT THE END OF THE COLD WAR... IS IT REALLY OVER???

Shit changes on the surface... the body remains forever the same... "shit happens", get over it!

 

[sunstruck]

You peed your pants in your first grade play didn't you Ish.

Tallent needs to be developed. That requires teaching. Teaching is what schools do.

 

[Ishmael]

You peed your pants in your first grade play didn't you Ish.

Tallent needs to be developed. That requires teaching. Teaching is what schools do.

No. Actually I love public speaking and do so regularly. My biggest audience was 5,000 or so.

I agree on developing talent, but I absolutely disagree that that is the job of the public school system. It dilutes the teaching pool and cheats those children less talented of a higher quality education.

Definitely an elitest thing.

Ishmael

 

[sunstruck]

That is such crap. That's like saying teaching creative writing is detrimental to dyslexic students. We shouldn't be catering to anyone, we should be developing both creative and logical aspects of our children's minds.

We need a well rounded educational system. But there's no point arguing with you. You don't actually care about the world or anyone in it. You just want to be right. Arguing with you is like beating my head against a wall and I don't care to do it again.

Find someone else to waste time with.

 

[floridaguy64]

You peed your pants in your first grade play didn't you Ish.

Tallent needs to be developed. That requires teaching. Teaching is what schools do.

Schools do nothing more than indoctrinate the youth of any society into the most recent popular beliefs of said society. My father was a novice Catholic priest when he met my mom... Thank GOODNESS for recognition in sense in one's self... otherwise, myself and six other siblings would have never been born.

I tried the seminary for a while after returning from my service in the US Marine Corps... sense of morality took over, and here I am... just another human being upon the giant cog-filled wheel of life.

I live life as it is, I require proof of all that I hear, I require multiple proven sources for all that I read... and of what I see, I take it for what it is... nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Never]

Sunstruck,
That nipple is pure woman and it tastes divine.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

You peed your pants in your first grade play didn't you Ish.

Tallent needs to be developed. That requires teaching. Teaching is what schools do.

Teaching is what is done in schools, but should they teach anything and everything?

What if I say they should teach motorcycling? Car racing? Mountain climbing? Those are sports - sports are taught in schools. Sports enhance our life in a similar fashion to the arts. Where do you draw the line on what sports should be taught and which shouldn't? Tradition? Would you support cutting sports programs? Often they are cut back along with the arts, if you had to choose, which would you choose, arts or sports, and how would justify that choice?

Personally, I think that arts programs are eligable for cutbacks just like sports. Reading, writing, math, science are the basics and these need to be taught. Arts and sports enhance an education, but they are not core subjects, are not absolutely necessary, and can be learned outside of a school. While I like the arts, I could really care less about sports, but neither are really necessary in a primary educational atmosphere.

 

[lavender]

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

You go sunstruck. This is one of my primary issues. The arts *must* stay in public schools. They must be prominent in public schools. If you fail to see the correlation between a strong fine arts program and strong academics, you are simply blind.

Just to humor me, consider me blind and explain it to me rather than just simply making the assertion and declaring that all who do not agree ignorant.

 

[lavender]

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Re: Re: Republicans

The exclusionary principle is traditionally more of a Republican ideal. Democrats have a tendency to feel that human issues are of primary concern and should be addressed hand in hand with economic. For the most part one should only be a Republican if one has a lot of money and is more concerned with protecting it than the general welfare of society. I wonder what percentage of the 'heads of households' in gated communities are Republican?

If we're going to use gross generalizations, how's this one?

People that work are Republicans. People who want to "shake down" the system for personal gain are democrats.

 

[Marxist]

You went from being a Marine to joining the seminary? What was that like?

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Re: Re: well

Who out there is living well on government support?
Not anyone I know...If you want a comfortable life, want the luxuries, you still have to work to have access to them. Your argument is entirely ridiculous.

Ask the lawyers in the tabacco settlement if you can get rich off "government". Or the lawyers in the McDonalds coffee case..or the lawyers in hundreds and hundreds of other cases, look to the liability crisis in medicine.

Ask where all the trial lawyers policital contributions went.

 

[sunstruck]

STG, the more I read your novel length posts, the more I see your foolishness.

I would say think of a world where geniuses like Bach, and Picaso and Dali were not taught and encouraged, but they probably mean no more to you that commercial jingles and bilboards.

 

[lavender]

Re: Re: Re: well

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Piffle.

The website (http://www.atrafoundation.org)/, operated by the American Tort Reform Foundation, shows that from January 1, 1997 until October 31, 1999, plaintiffs’ lawyers paid out nearly $18.7 million in political contributions. Of that amount, over $13 million was hard money available to be spent directly by candidates. The vast majority of these funds went to Democratic campaigns or Democratic-leaning political action committees.

 

[lavender]

Re: Piffle.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Re: Piffle.

The website (http://www.atrafoundation.org)/, operated by the American Tort Reform Foundation, shows that from January 1, 1997 until October 31, 1999, plaintiffs’ lawyers paid out nearly $18.7 million in political contributions. Of that amount, over $13 million was hard money available to be spent directly by candidates. The vast majority of these funds went to Democratic campaigns or Democratic-leaning political action committees.

Many trial lawyers are getting very wealthy "shaking down the system" and they're paying big political bucks to keep the gravy train running. Don't give me that crap about "standing up for the little guy and truth, justice and American way" either in the face of the massive onslaught on the US economy by trial lawyers.

Ask about the 400% increases in liability insurance for doctors who deliver babies (driving many of them to quit delivering babies over fear of unreasonable lawsuits). Ask about the dwindling pool of rural doctors who are forced to leave the rural areas because they can't charge enough to pay for the liability insurance.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

STG, the more I read your novel length posts, the more I see your foolishness.

I would say think of a world where geniuses like Bach, and Picaso and Dali were not taught and encouraged, but they probably mean no more to you that commercial jingles and bilboards.

SS, The more I read your short quips and comebacks the more I realize you were denied any kind of education in the fine art of debate.

Your ad hominem attacks may sound good verbally, but they fall flat here; you rarely backup your assertions with facts, you just make these quick little jabs of no substance and then sit back smiling, thinking "I really showed him something that time!"

For your information, I got my education in the arts at home and I was listening to Mozart, Bach, Handel, Vivaldi and Strauss 15 years before you were born. Our home was filled with music and art. My grandmother was a teacher and my mother and uncle amateur musicians, my other uncle and my aunt artists. My ex-wife was an artist. I myself have little talent in the arts, my brain and hands just don't work that way - I tend more towards words than pictures, but I certainly appreciate art.

I am not saying do not teach or encourage those with talent, I am saying that when the resources are tight, it is better to fund the core curriculim than the arts.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: well

As for lawyers, not all of them are Democrat. In fact, many of them are Republican. If you look at the very big firms, who do corporate work, most of them support the Republican candidate.

Most of them, if they are smart (and most are), support both candidates.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Most lawyers are smart, upstanding people. I have lawyers working for me and I'm glad that they're there.

In a discussion of politics, trail lawyers donate almost exclusively to democrats.

I'll even grant that most of the trial lawyers are doing a service to the country. There are a dispropotionate few though, that are causing some serious problems.