Republicans Want More Abortions.

[Aglaopheme]

Only with regard to agreements that were made under duress of arguably illegal, not to mention totally un-american, government force that should have never happened in the first place.

Not really the same thing as breaking a legally binding contract.

That is not what this rule says at all.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Employees don't negotiate the coverage.

But they do negotiate their employment.

They negotiate their services/time in exchange for money and benefits. If the money/benefits aren't good enough? You REALLY should go get a better job.

LOL unless they conveniently lose said paper work on what it is their covering from service related issues.. Yes, keep your paperwork, A lesson I've seen backfire on those that didn't.
Another entity far from perfection, VA services.

I was lucky enough to have a PSG who sat me down my first day on the job and told me to make 10 copies of everything you ever get, stash them in firesafes, bunkers and safety deposit boxes and yo mammas basement and don't ever....ever, ever, ever get rid of them. Ever.

It's saved my ass more than once later but it didn't save me from the dusting his newest CPL had in store for me that went down immediately after the paperwork was sorted.

No it's not.

When was it changed??

The fact you are so blinded as to not see this is not surprising.

Neither is your total and COMPLETE inability to explain how.

Companies now have religious freedoms.

Companies have always had religious freedoms, until "progress" tried to infringe on them with it's socialist bullshit.

Now it's being fixed, tough break for the anti-freedom folks out there.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That is not what this rule says at all.

No, but that's what the rule is.

It's giving back the religious freedom that was wrongfully taken from the people.

Which is going to shit on the stuff done under the older oppression of government force and no longer force people into contracts that violate their religious beliefs.

It's not making contracts from here on out a thing that people no longer legally have to honor because Jesus.

 

[adrina]

So before we go down this rabbit hole, I'm just going to assume you believe in corporate personhood and that the bill of rights as a whole can and should be applied to companies as well as individuals.

 

[KimGordon67]

But, hey, AJ just said that " access to protection do not lead to a lesser need for abortion." Birth control doesn't even work according to him.

I'm pretty confident that in my lifetime access to affordable and reliable contraception has lessened my need for abortions.

I think AJ has forgotten that 'abortion' and 'birth control' are not the only two factors at play in whatever statistics he's looking at ... assuming he is looking at statistics, which seems somewhat unlikely.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No, but that's what the rule is.

It's giving back the religious freedom that was wrongfully taken from the people.

Which is going to shit on the stuff done under the older oppression of government force and no longer force people into contracts that violate their religious beliefs.

It's not making contracts from here on out a thing that people no longer legally have to honor because Jesus.

My religion clearly states, "thou shall not kill". Why should I be forced to pay for the government to train people to do just that in the armed services?

 

[Wrmfd]

My religion clearly states, "thou shall not kill". Why should I be forced to pay for the government to train people to do just that in the armed services?

You're not "forced", just like the around 50% of Americans who already don't pay any federal income tax - LEGALLY.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You're not "forced", just like the around 50% of Americans who already don't pay any federal income tax - LEGALLY.

Got it. It's ok to force people to pay for things that go against their religion.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So before we go down this rabbit hole, I'm just going to assume you believe in corporate personhood and that the bill of rights as a whole can and should be applied to companies as well as individuals.

What do you think companies are? Some nameless evil spirit out in the either? LOL

Yea, corporations are people or a group of people acting as a single legal entity in some capacity.

Definition of corporation

1 a :a group of merchants or traders united in a trade guild (see guild 1)
b :the municipal authorities of a town or city
2 :a body formed and authorized by law to act as a single person although constituted by one or more persons and legally endowed with various rights and duties including the capacity of succession
3 :an association of employers and employees in a basic industry or of members of a profession organized as an organ of political representation in a corporative state

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corporation

My religion clearly states, "thou shall not kill". Why should I be forced to pay for the government to train people to do just that in the armed services?

1) because the military is a function of government, it's also not a private citizen or a corporate entity with the right to freedom of religion.

2) You don't have to, you're free to leave.

 

[adrina]

Free to leave, free to quit, free to do all sorts of things that they aren't really free to do.

First you argued about free shit. Then you argued about socialist shit. Now you want to argue about corporate shit.

Well there's your pattern folks.



Next time I'm talking to my bank representative I'll make sure to ask them what god the bank worships.

For arguing for originalism you have an interesting way about it considering where the history of this started and where it has ended up.

 

[Hypoxia]

Equivalent attitude:

My religion is strengthened by the gods I carve most mornings.
Some of the gods tell me to kill or injure or maim or rape people.
I don't want secular gov't infringing on my holy religious freedom.
Such as my religious right to kill, injure, maim, and rape people.

Don't tread on me.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Free to leave, free to quit, free to do all sorts of things that they aren't really free to do.

How are they not free to do those things?

First you argued about free shit. Then you argued about socialist shit. Now you want to argue about corporate shit.

Well there's your pattern folks.

There is no such thing as free shit and the last two are connected.

Do you have some kind of point?

Next time I'm talking to my bank representative I'll make sure to ask them what god the bank worships.

Or you can just see what services they offer and decided if you want to buy in or not like a sane person.

For arguing for originalism you have an interesting way about it considering where the history of this started and where it has ended up.

There you go making shit up again.... LOL

If you think freedom of religion = government coming in and forcing private individuals and individual entities(corporations/trust etc.) to violate their religious beliefs by forcing them to provide goods and services they don't want to.....make your case. I'll listen if you put some thought into it and make a real argument, or even just cite someone elses argument if you simply think someone else said it better and you back them 100%.


If you want to argue that you think people have a right to demand certain goods and services from private vendors then make or that argument or bite someone elses. I can think of at least 2 cases off the top of my head where I would be very inclined to agree.

But deflections, ascription, random erroneous assumptions, emotional appeals or baseless accusations of racism, xenophobia, misogyny etc. wont cut it.

Personally I think government should let folks do their thing so long as they aren't a threat to the public safety or violating the rights of others with relatively few infrastructure, national security and environmental exceptions.

 

[adrina]

Arguing about shit. Yup.

Go find a wall.

 

[Wrmfd]

Got it. It's ok to force people to pay for things that go against their religion.

I don't "force" anyone to do anything.

It's your problem if you need to fantasize anyone else is forcing you to pay for anything when it's simply only you choosing to pay yourself.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Arguing about shit. Yup.

Go find a wall.

So you can't really come up with an argument for the government forcing people to violate their religious beliefs, you just have lots of feels that they should....noted.

 

[ToucheAmore]

these two jackwagons just like to argue. nothing they say is based in reality and on their utopian society of ONE.

 

[adrina]

these two jackwagons just like to argue. nothing they say is based in reality and on their utopian society of ONE.

Bingo.

 

[BotanyBoy]

these two jackwagons just like to argue. nothing they say is based in reality and on their utopian society of ONE.

Another one with no argument beyond their feewings?

I'm shocked....
https://media.giphy.com/media/iWSg4Dzb2cV20/giphy.gif

 

[ToucheAmore]

Bingo.

they should hook up and scissor.

 

[adrina]

they should hook up and scissor.

Infinitely more productive. Probably more entertaining to watch too.

 

[Aglaopheme]

No, but that's what the rule is.

It's giving back the religious freedom that was wrongfully taken from the people.

Which is going to shit on the stuff done under the older oppression of government force and no longer force people into contracts that violate their religious beliefs.

It's not making contracts from here on out a thing that people no longer legally have to honor because Jesus.

And if they are just morally against it, are you okay with that as well?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What do you think companies are? Some nameless evil spirit out in the either? LOL

Yea, corporations are people or a group of people acting as a single legal entity in some capacity.



https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corporation



1) because the military is a function of government, it's also not a private citizen or a corporate entity with the right to freedom of religion.

2) You don't have to, you're free to leave.

That's some Query level ascription. I never said the military wasn't a function of government, I said my religion tells me that killing is wrong and I don't want people trained or told to kill on my dime.

Aren't people who don't like abortions also free to leave?

 

[BotanyBoy]

And if they are just morally against it, are you okay with that as well?

Yep.

I think the government forcing people to do things they find objectionable enough to refuse payment for them is not only vile but a rather sinister slope to go sliding down.

I think people who provide goods and services should be allowed to provide whatever goods and services they want and none of the ones they don't.

That's some Query level ascription.

Where?

I never said the military wasn't a function of government,

I never said you did.

I said my religion tells me that killing is wrong and I don't want people trained or told to kill on my dime.

I understand, and the answer is tough shit.

National security is something our government does legitimately under the law and they will charge you for it. Enjoy it!!

Doesn't have anything to do with the government forcing people to provide goods and services that violate their religious beliefs arguably violating 1A rights and weather or not you think it's a good thing or a bad thing for the government to be doing.

Do you think the government should force people to render goods and services that violate their beliefs? Beliefs deeply held enough to reject money....

Aren't people who don't like abortions also free to leave?

Sure, what's your point?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

What do you think companies are? Some nameless evil spirit out in the either? LOL

Yea, corporations are people or a group of people acting as a single legal entity in some capacity.

Great. So when a people or a group of people acting as a single legal entity form a corporation it is with the specific intent of divorcing their humanity from the corporation. That is the basis of the legal protection that separates a family from its business. In that divorce, the corporation ceases to be the embodiment of the family and in return the family fortune is protected from the liabilities incurred by the business itself.

This the deal that was cut.

So it is not in keeping with that deal that the fantasy of the invisible spirit continue to be embodied in that legal fiction - the corporation. Get it?

If it is, then fine. But then the family fortune ceases to enjoy the separation of the liabilities of the actions of the Corporation. Understand?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Great. So when a people or a group of people acting as a single legal entity form a corporation it is with the specific intent of divorcing their humanity from the corporation. That is the basis of the legal protection that separates a family from its business. In that divorce, the corporation ceases to be the embodiment of the family and in return the family fortune is protected from the liabilities incurred by the business itself.

This the deal that was cut.

Close...it doesn't cease to be the embodiment of the family, because guess who's running it?

So it is not in keeping with that deal that the fantasy of the invisible spirit continue to be embodied in that legal fiction - the corporation. Get it?

No. What invisible spirit?

If it is, then fine. But then the family fortune ceases to enjoy the separation of the liabilities of the actions of the Corporation. Understand?

LOL...no, what in the fuck are you talking about? That ^^^ isn't how shit works.

If there is no separation, there is no corporation.