Reading the classics

chelseachained

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i sometimes enjoy reading the classic authors and finding hints of what i perceive as D/s tendencies between the lines. the following example is an excerpt from William Wordsworth's she was a phantom of delight (1770 - 1850)

And now I see with eye serene
The very pulse of the machine;
A Being breathing thoughtful breath,
A Traveller between life and death;
The reason firm, the temperate will,
Endurance, foresight, strength, and skill;
A perfect Woman, nobly planned,
To warn, to comfort, and command;
And yet a Spirit still, and bright
With something of angelic light.

shakespeare was a bit more obvious with the following:
LVII.

Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend,
Nor services to do, till you require.
Nor dare I chide the world-without-end hour
Whilst I, my sovereign, watch the clock for you,
Nor think the bitterness of absence sour
When you have bid your servant once adieu;
Nor dare I question with my jealous thought
Where you may be, or your affairs suppose,
But, like a sad slave, stay and think of nought
Save, where you are how happy you make those.
So true a fool is love that in your will,
Though you do any thing, he thinks no ill.

LVIII.

That god forbid that made me first your slave,
I should in thought control your times of pleasure,
Or at your hand the account of hours to crave,
Being your vassal, bound to stay your leisure!
O, let me suffer, being at your beck,
The imprison'd absence of your liberty;
And patience, tame to sufferance, bide each cheque,
Without accusing you of injury.
Be where you list, your charter is so strong
That you yourself may privilege your time
To what you will; to you it doth belong
Yourself to pardon of self-doing crime.
I am to wait, though waiting so be hell;
Not blame your pleasure, be it ill or well.


is anyone else out there reading the classics?
 
Yes, at my house we happen to be doing a unit on Shakespeare right now. So we are all reading some of his plays. When we are done we will go see a play and visit a botanical garden that has flowers mentioned in his work, as well as doing a backstage tour of the theater and how it works. Tonight we watched The Complete Works of William Shakespeare : Reduced Shakespeare Company Presents on DVD.

Fury :rose:
 
Love Classics. Very often read the Illiad and Oddssey and Shakespeare (love Henry V) and of course what i consider a new classic Lord of the rings and associated material. :rose:
 
FurryFury said:
Yes, at my house we happen to be doing a unit on Shakespeare right now. So we are all reading some of his plays. When we are done we will go see a play and visit a botanical garden that has flowers mentioned in his work, as well as doing a backstage tour of the theater and how it works. Tonight we watched The Complete Works of William Shakespeare : Reduced Shakespeare Company Presents on DVD.

Fury :rose:
Miss Fury,

The Reduced Shakespeare Company is amusing, but.....

I highly recommend the 1968 film version of Romeo & Juliet starring Olivia Hussey and Leonard Whiting in the title roles.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800341348/details


Of course there is also the classic Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier.....

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800074135


........ and Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor in The Taming of the Shrew.....

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800125149

(definitely a D/s theme to that last one) ;) .......


However, if I had to pick one, I'd go with the 1968 Romeo & Juliet. If you rent it, I really don't think you'll be disappointed.

Alice
 
hello chelsea and welcome to the Lit Boards....... I have a few to contribute, you already covered sonnets 57 and 58.....lol .....so they are out.

Selection from The Taming of The Shrew ~ Shakespeare

Thy husband is thy lord, thy life, thy keeper,
Thy head, thy sovereign; one that cares for thee,
And for thy maintence; commits his body
To painful labour both by sea and land;
To watch the night in storms, the day in cold,
Whilst thou liest warm at home, secure and safe;
And craves no other tribute at they hands
But love, fair looks and true obedience-
Too little payment for so great a debt,
Such duty as the subject owes the prince,
Even such a woman oweth to her husband;
And when she is forward, peevish, sullen sour
And not obedient to his honest will,
What is she but a foul contending rebel,
And graceless traitor to her loving lord?
I am ashamed that women are so simple
To offer war, where they should kneel for peace;
Or seek for rule,, supremacy, and sway
When they are bound to serve, love, and obey.
Why are our bodies soft, and weak, and smooth,
Unapt to toil and trouble in the world,
But that our soft conditions, and our hearts,
Should well agree with our external parts?
Come, come, you forward and unable worms,
My mind hath been as big as one of yours,
My heart as great, my reason haply more,
To bandy word for word, and frown for frown.
But now I see our lances are but straws;
Our strength as weak, our weakness past compare,
That seeming to be most, which we indeed least are.
Then vail your stomachs, for it is boot,
And place your hand below your husband's foot
In token of which duty, if he please,
My hand is ready, may it do him ease.

A Match ~ Swinburne


If love were what the rose is,
And I were like the leaf,
Our lives would grow together
In sad or singing weather,
Blown fields or flowerful closes,
Green pleasure or gray grief;
If love were what the rose is,
And I were like the leaf.

If I were what the words are,
And love were like the tune,
With double sound and single
Delight our lips would mingle,
With kisses glad as birds are
That get sweet rain at noon
If I were what the words are,
And love were like the tune.

If you were Life, my darling,
And I your love were Death,
We'd shine and snow together
Ere March made sweet the weather
With daffodil and starling
And hours of fruitful breath;
If you were Life, my darling,
And I your love were Death.

If you were thrall to sorrow,
And I were page to joy,
We'd play for lives and seasons
With loving looks and treasons
And tears of night and morrow
And Laughs of maid and boy;
If you were thrall to sorrow,
And I were page to joy.

If you were April's lady
And I were lord in May,
We'd throw with leaves for hours
And draw with leaves for hours,
Till day like night were shady
And night were bright like day;
If you were April's lady,
And I were lord in May,

If you were queen of pleasure,
And I were king of pain,
We'd hunt down love together,
Pluck out his flying-feather,
And teach his feet a measure,
And find his mouth a rein;
If you were queen of pleasure,
And I were king of pain.

Another ~ Goethe

Go! obedient to my call,
Turn to profit thy young days,
Wiser make betimes thy breast!
In Fate's balance as it sways
Seldom is the cock at rest.
Thou must either mount, or fall,
Thou must either rule and win,
Or submissively give in,
Triumph, or else yield to clamor:
Be the anvil or the hammer.
 
alice_underneath said:
Miss Fury,

The Reduced Shakespeare Company is amusing, but.....

I highly recommend the 1968 film version of Romeo & Juliet starring Olivia Hussey and Leonard Whiting in the title roles.

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800341348/details


Of course there is also the classic Hamlet starring Laurence Olivier.....

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800074135


........ and Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor in The Taming of the Shrew.....

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800125149

(definitely a D/s theme to that last one) ;) .......


However, if I had to pick one, I'd go with the 1968 Romeo & Juliet. If you rent it, I really don't think you'll be disappointed.

Alice

You can also try Henry V by Branagh.
 
romeo & juliet

sighs...unfortunately this one is old enough to remember seeing this version when it was released in theaters ...laughing and yes burton /taylor though i am not sure who was top and bottom there...switches perhaps???
 
"I SING the body electric" is the first line of Leaves of Grass.
or
If you want me again look for me under. your boot-soles. You will hardly know
who I am or. what I mean,. But I shall be good health to you. nevertheless.”
chelseachained said:
does a favorite line or phrase come to mind?
 
chelseachained said:
sighs...unfortunately this one is old enough to remember seeing this version when it was released in theaters ...laughing and yes burton /taylor though i am not sure who was top and bottom there...switches perhaps???
The film is interesting because of the obvious chemistry between the stars, but The Taming of the Shrew itself is actually not one of my favorites from the Bard.

Petruchio is an abuser, not a Dom, in my opinion. He basically starves her into submission. :rolleyes:

However..... I do love the line he utters after her big submission speech....

"Why, there's a wench! Come on, and kiss me, Kate."

:D
 
Yes, I've seen those movies. I choose this DVD because I am dealing with a boy who has no interest in this unit of study and was trying to draw him in.

I find it amusing that both kids prefer the words of Shakespeare to any modern interpretation of them.

The unit is going well. Below are two quotes I happen to like a great deal two out of so many. At times like this, it is hard to choose.

"They that have power to hurt and will do none,
That do not do the thing they most do show,
Who, moving others, are themselves as stone,
Unmoved, cold, and to temptation slow;
They rightly do inherit Heaven’s graces,
And husband nature’s riches from expense;
They are the lords and owners of their faces,
Others but stewards of their excellence.
The summer’s flower is to the summer sweet,
Though to itself it only live and die;
But if that flower with base infection meet,
The basest weed outbraves his dignity:
For Sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds:
Lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds."

and:

"A peace is of the nature of a conquest; for then both parties nobly are subdued, and neither party loser. "

~William Shakespeare

Fury :rose:
 
alice_underneath said:
Bilbo is in it too?!? :eek:

Yes as Flluellen (sp?). Also has Derek Jacobi, Brian Blessed, Paul Scofield, Emma Thompson and Judy Densch.
 
Yes and no...

I research the authors; occasionally I make time to read. I read Cupid and Psyche for the first time last week; I anticipate reading The Golden Ass (Apuleius) soon. This year I've researched Livi, Terence, Plautus, Apuleius, Horace... at least 5 or 8 others I can't remember off the top of my head. Xenophon may be on the list soon, as well. Work would be much easier had I a degree in Classics. :rolleyes:
 
*curious* said:
Yes and no...

I research the authors; occasionally I make time to read. I read Cupid and Psyche for the first time last week; I anticipate reading The Golden Ass (Apuleius) soon. This year I've researched Livi, Terence, Plautus, Apuleius, Horace... at least 5 or 8 others I can't remember off the top of my head. Xenophon may be on the list soon, as well. Work would be much easier had I a degree in Classics. :rolleyes:
in addition to the subject matter, the thing that enthralls me with reading the classis is the rythmn of the way they use the language. i often hear myself reading a line outloud, just to hear the sound of it. So different than we we use and hear today
 
A reading from John Donne, holy sonnet 10

Batter my heart, three-personed God; for you
As yet but knock, breathe, shine, and seek to mend;
That I may rise, and stand, o'erthrow me, and bend
Your force, to break, blow, burn and make me new.
I, like a usurped town, to another due,
Labor to admit you, but oh, to no end,
Reason your viceroy in me, me should defend,
But is captived, and proves weak or untrue,
Yet dearly I love you, and would be loved fain,
But am bethrothed unto your enemy,
Divorce me, untie, or break that knot again,
Take me to you, imprison me, for I
Except you enthrall me, never shall be free,
Nor ever chaste, except you ravish me.
 
My Favorite

In high school, I always took a peverse delight in listening to English teachers trying to explain this one.



La Belle Dame sans Merci
John Keats

Ah, what can ail thee, wretched wight,
Alone and palely loitering;
The sedge is wither'd from the lake,
And no birds sing.

Ah, what can ail thee, wretched wight,
So haggard and so woe-begone?
The squirrel's granary is full,
And the harvest's done.

I see a lily on thy brow,
With anguish moist and fever dew;
And on thy cheek a fading rose
Fast withereth too.

I met a lady in the meads
Full beautiful, a faery's child;
Her hair was long, her foot was light,
And her eyes were wild.

I set her on my pacing steed,
And nothing else saw all day long;
For sideways would she lean, and sing
A faery's song.

I made a garland for her head,
And bracelets too, and fragrant zone;
She look'd at me as she did love,
And made sweet moan.

She found me roots of relish sweet,
And honey wild, and manna dew;
And sure in language strange she said,
I love thee true.

She took me to her elfin grot,
And there she gaz'd and sighed deep,
And there I shut her wild sad eyes--
So kiss'd to sleep.

And there we slumber'd on the moss,
And there I dream'd, ah woe betide,
The latest dream I ever dream'd
On the cold hill side.

I saw pale kings, and princes too,
Pale warriors, death-pale were they all;
Who cry'd--"La belle Dame sans merci
Hath thee in thrall!"

I saw their starv'd lips in the gloam
With horrid warning gaped wide,
And I awoke, and found me here
On the cold hill side.

And this is why I sojourn here
Alone and palely loitering,
Though the sedge is wither'd from the lake,
And no birds sing.
 
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raven2 said:
and of course what i consider a new classic Lord of the rings
Bilbo Baggins at the Council of Elrond:


"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;

The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;

Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."



The Fellowship of the Ring, by J.R.R. Tolkien :rose:
 
Poetry In Performance

I highly recommend the Kino dvd of Sophocles' ANTIGONE with Irene Papas as Antigone. Not D/s but a woman of super human power. The performance uses the original Greek (with subtitles, of course). The power of Sophocles poetry is amazing.

CORRECTION Thoughtless word choice. The power belongs to her brother King Creon. Antigone has something greater: strength of character.
 
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Yes...my most beloved passage from the trilogy but I enjoy it more when Arwen recites it to Elrond just before he reforges the Flame of the West.

:rose:

alice_underneath said:
Bilbo Baggins at the Council of Elrond:


"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;

The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;

Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."



The Fellowship of the Ring, by J.R.R. Tolkien :rose:
 
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