Rational Thread

[CharleyH]

I share R Richard's "it's all about money" cynicism about the suicide bombers -- although I think it's actually about power. It's an almost universal metonymy that Money is Power (but is it actually true?)

I see the diverse organized religions here not as something to be proud of, but as an unavoidable problem in British society. It's only the fact that it's impractical to abolish them that stops me from suggesting it. Communism failed, and along with it, the hopes of rationalists and social planners everywhere. Society has to accommodate irrationality. But it certainly ought not to condone it -- Irrational people can be persuaded to blow themselves up on trains and buses.

I am not certain, SJ, of how multiculturalism works in the Britain. I am not there, and know nothing about it, but I would enjoy if you explained a few things: how is it impractical? What does it have to do with Communism? And certainly you can't believe that "ONLY" irrational people are persuaded to blow themselves up on trains and buses?" Or otherwise put themselves in the line of fire with an outcome of death because they believe in something?

 

[LadyJeanne]

Explain again why suicide bombers would be primarily motivated by money. I suspect that murder-suicide and private suicide are motivated by an utter lack of hope.

I've never heard anyone say that suicide bombers are not monetarily compensated for their 'work'. Perhaps they are no longer around to spend it, but they have families. I've always had a theory that the families of suicide bombers receive some sort of compensation, perhaps enough to make it worthwhile if they are currently starving. Perhaps they pay more according to how many people they take to the grave with them.

I've never heard anyone say that they are actually paid, but how do we know?

 

[CharleyH]

I've never heard anyone say that suicide bombers are not monetarily compensated for their 'work'. Perhaps they are no longer around to spend it, but they have families. I've always had a theory that the families of suicide bombers receive some sort of compensation, perhaps enough to make it worthwhile if they are currently starving. Perhaps they pay more according to how many people they take to the grave with them.

I've never heard anyone say that they are actually paid, but how do we know?

Their families are

 

[CharleyH]

mere bump for the intelligesia and back to the serious and IRRATIONAL questions at hand:

:I am not certain, SJ, of how multiculturalism works in the Britain. I am not there, and know nothing about it, but I would enjoy if you explained a few things: how is it impractical? What does it have to do with Communism? And certainly you can't believe that "ONLY" irrational people are persuaded to blow themselves up on trains and buses?" Or otherwise put themselves in the line of fire with an outcome of death because they believe in something?"

 

[shereads]

shereads:
Suicide bombers are not, for the most part motivated by money. They are motivated by the people who run the suicide machine, the people above them in the organization. The people above the suicide bombers and the shock troops who try to kill others are motivated by money.

If you want to recruit suicide bombers or shock troops, you really need to have money. You walk through neighborhoods where hope has died and day to day existence is a real struggle. You spend a little cash and attract to you those who have lost all hope. You then casually point out to those either too stupid or too lacking in hope that there is a way that their families can prosper. Best of all, the targets can make this all happen while getting themselves right with god. All the target needs to do is kill him/her self, along with as many of "the enemy" as practical. "Become a holy warrior and solve not only your problems but those of your impoverished and suffering family!"

This is not theory, I have been on the ground in places where this sort of thing happens. The lower level people, the suicide bombers, are usually too stupid and or too hopeless to consider the results of their actions. The next levels up from the stupid and hopeless are motivated mostly by greed. The further up the terrorist tree you go, the motivation changes from just greed to greed AND power.

Those at the top of the terrorist tree care nothing for those below them, save as cannon fodder to use in a war on humanity.

JMNTHO.

Osama Bin Laden is related to the Saudi royal family, who have more money than God. He didn't improve his lifestyle when he became a terrorist. Greed for power, certainly. But for money?

I'm sure you're right about the amount of money it takes to organize an effective terrorist organization, though. The USA sponsored and provided training for "counter-terrorist" actions and death squads in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Iraq, Turkey and Saddam Hussein's Iraq, and it has cost us plenty.

The history of terrorism in the 20th century and at the turn of the millennium features a prominent U.S. presence that none of us are eager to acknowledge. But when we have these discussions, it serves no purpose to ignore our complicity. Facts are facts. Greed is greed. Counter-terrorism is terrorism on behalf of a friendly government. And it's not the terrorists and insurgents who are getting rich in Iraq right now.

 

[shereads]

A Scientologist? :|

Now that's insulting.

Question: Is Tom Cruise an ass because he's a Scientologist? Or is he a Scientologist because he's an ass?



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Note to Op_Cit: My dog has asked me to tell you that dogs do want to run the world. There are two obstacles: the lack of opposable thumbs, and the inability to walk by a pile of fresh horse dung without rolling in it.

 

[shereads]

I'm sure there's a slug somewhere in some star system in another galaxy that God prizes FAR ABOVE me.

You don't have to leave this star system to find slugs who claim to have God on their side.

As I interpret Joe's thread, that's exactly the point.

 

[Guest]

Fuck off and die.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Fuck off and die.

Wiil you show me the way, again, CD?

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Scientology in Hollywood, is like Cocaine Use in Hollywood.

It's a sign that they are giving them too f**king much money!

 

[elsol]

You don't have to leave this star system to find slugs who claim to have God on their side.

As I interpret Joe's thread, that's exactly the point.

Yeah... but the slug in my backyard I can stomp in the hope that God won't have the option of prizing it more anymore.

So it's not good for me to think God loves THAT slug more than me... bad things could happen to it. Then the slugs get into a discussion of how best to handle 'ElSol the Slug Terrorist'.

A slug on the other side of known space, I'm cool with that, cause for all I know, it's a really cool slug.

Sincerely,
ElSol