Race play

[midwestyankee]

It does need to be said, though. We all of us need to be reminded once in a while.

And-- political correctedness is going to stay in my sex life for a while longer. I have a fetish for it.

So the fact that I'm vanilla-challenged is a good thing in your eyes? Cool!!

 

[intothewoods]

Ok, I think this is the passage:

"The current subjects were split nearly equally between pedophiles adn what Blanchard called "teleophiles"** "the normal guys," he translated, though with a hint of irony: a recent study of his own jibed with those Richard Green had cited. Normal didn't mean uninterested in the young. Measured by plethysmograph, teleophilic heterosexuals were aroused most by pictures of female adults, but significantly, too, by female pubescents and, less so but still markedly, by female children. There was no mistaking ordinary men's erotic response to very young girls when their reaction to female children was compared to their negligible responses to slides of males of any age, or when it was compared to their indifference to a neutral picture: a photograph of a pond surrounded by the bare limbs of trees in winter. Teleophilic homosexuals adhered to their own analogous continuum. And the pattern held in reverse for the pedophilic."

Page 125-127, The Other Side of Desire, by Daniel Bergner


**Teleophile evidently means someone who is attracted to adults

 

[YourCaptor]

I don't see where she declined any question. I'm thinking that whatever question you were trying to ask didn't quite make sense.

I think, like JM, that you were asking about internal struggles. It's interesting to me that you dismissed the nazi fetishist's essay in the way that you did, in a way that implied, to me, that you do not approve of nazi play. So you reject other people's acceptance of their kinks if you don't like that kink? That isn't very honest.

She did respond to everything, declining to answer a question is simply the most dramatic response I was expecting. Hence I was pretty surprised to find several people seemed to take offense by my words. I've read over what I wrote trying to fit it to the offensive content people read out of it, but I can't see it. It's probably my bias since I know what it was meant to say, hence I can't see it saying anything else. I'm just assuming it was bound to happen, especially with a complicated subject like this.

I do want to say though that I do not oppose responsible race play. It is however a very gray type of play, and I'm trying to work some of it out. Syd seems to have things set up pretty good, so I wanted to check out the set up shes got.

The nazi fetish guy. Yes I do oppose him, he really does sound like a confused kid to me. I think he's on the edge of a problem and not dealing with it too well. I know where he is coming from with the "is it in me" thing. I totally know what he means by that because I am German, born their, grew up their, with all things good and the baggage. From friends and family I know it's a common thing to ponder your capacity like this guy, I went through that phase myself. However his claim that nazi play is his solution to the problem is ridiculous.

Maybe if I take what he's doing out of the context of sex you'll see my point. Say this kid beats the shit out of his Jewish friend,consensually, so he can see that his friend still likes him after the beating. I think it's obvious that this approach is flawed. Imagine if you saw that story on the news.

Kink and acceptance, in regard to race play. I see a very blurred line between play and criminal acts. This thread is my attempt to sharpen that line, give it some definition.

I hope all that makes sense.

 

[YourCaptor]

It is sometimes hard to tell the age of young girls these days. You say the girls were 'clearly underage' - as in 16? 17? 18? In the study, did they control for things like wardrobe and make up? Just curious.

Hey, I've been turned on by things that are both personally and socially "taboo" and I've had no trouble not acting on those feelings, (well, unless BDSM falls under that umbrella, then...yeah...hee). I've long assumed that we all harbour some nasty desires, just human nature. The people who worry me are the ones who simply cannot control their desires. That's disturbing.

I can't say for certain, I've never seen any data on this, but it can be pieced together so it would make a good theory. I'm sure it includes young girls, like prepubescent. Women are not immune to this either, and I'm not just talking about as a result of direct stimulation from breastfeeding.

Ok, I think this is the passage:

"The current subjects were split nearly equally between pedophiles adn what Blanchard called "teleophiles"** "the normal guys," he translated, though with a hint of irony: a recent study of his own jibed with those Richard Green had cited. Normal didn't mean uninterested in the young. Measured by plethysmograph, teleophilic heterosexuals were aroused most by pictures of female adults, but significantly, too, by female pubescents and, less so but still markedly, by female children. There was no mistaking ordinary men's erotic response to very young girls when their reaction to female children was compared to their negligible responses to slides of males of any age, or when it was compared to their indifference to a neutral picture: a photograph of a pond surrounded by the bare limbs of trees in winter. Teleophilic homosexuals adhered to their own analogous continuum. And the pattern held in reverse for the pedophilic."

Page 125-127, The Other Side of Desire, by Daniel Bergner


**Teleophile evidently means someone who is attracted to adults

I wish they taught this kind of stuff as part of my degree. The reason they don't however is because research on sex is so controversial, anytime a study shows something, someone won't like it and produce another study saying the opposite. The only solution I can see is a standardization of measurements.

By the way, I did see one really good study that showed 1 out of 3 people get's turned on by fear/pain/depression. I'd buy that, as far as indicating that it is common.

 

[ownedsubgal]

But that’s just straight out racism…

What if you play with racial issues that don’t reflect you or your history.

And don’t you think choosing to use race solely because it has such a powerful effect, rather than because you buy into it makes it “race play”.

yes, imo that would be race "play," and utterly pointless. but then it seems like there are tons of people who delight in innocent game play and fantasy in their sex lives, i'm just not one of them. for me something like this is only effective when it serves as a reflection of repressed prejudices. it's a moment in time where the facade of PC and proper behavior is totally stripped away, and two people get to see one another for who they truly are.

for example, a black woman in a happy committed relationship with a white man could finally learn and accept that yes, he loves me, but a tiny part of him truly sees himself as superior to me simply because he was born with white skin. and on his side, he could learn and accept that yes, she respects me, but a tiny part of her finds it easier to bow to me because the difference in our skin color, and all the history there.

and of course, it can get much, much darker than that...but so what? it's a good thing, imo. but then i've always found much more comfort in truth and reality, no matter how ugly or painful, than in any pretty fantasy.

 

[deviant212]

if you're grown ups, discuss it, know limits, why the hell not. I've used raceplay to get me and a partner off, it changed nothing. it was just something to fuel the kink.

it's really not that deep.

though it is.

but you know what I mean.

 

[Stella_Omega]

yes, imo that would be race "play," and utterly pointless. but then it seems like there are tons of people who delight in innocent game play and fantasy in their sex lives, i'm just not one of them. for me something like this is only effective when it serves as a reflection of repressed prejudices. it's a moment in time where the facade of PC and proper behavior is totally stripped away, and two people get to see one another for who they truly are.

for example, a black woman in a happy committed relationship with a white man could finally learn and accept that yes, he loves me, but a tiny part of him truly sees himself as superior to me simply because he was born with white skin. and on his side, he could learn and accept that yes, she respects me, but a tiny part of her finds it easier to bow to me because the difference in our skin color, and all the history there.

Or, yes she loves me but a tiny part of her will never ever trust me because of the difference in our skin color and all the history there.

Which, IMO, is the more likely scenario. If she bows anyway-- then I've got some real commitment. To me, for myself, in spite of everything. And that is precious and rare, and who we truly are.