Race play

[JMohegan]

For those of you with a fetlife account, here's a cognizant piece of writing done by a queer, transgendered, male, Nazi fetishist explaining how he is not, in fact, a Nazi. For those of you who find it confusing how some might want to play with racial (or Nazi) themes without actually being racist (or antisemitic) themselves, this might be a useful thing to read.

A Nazi Fetishist's Manifesto

I'm interested in what the guy has to say, but don't have an account so the site won't let me read it.

Is a paraphrase or brief summary possible?

 

[00Syd]

I'm interested in what the guy has to say, but don't have an account so the site won't let me read it.

Is a paraphrase or brief summary possible?

Eh, not eloquently.

I could write to him and ask for the permission to re-post it here.

 

[JMohegan]

http://gawker.com/5638087/why-is-th...ederate-dress+up-with-slaves?skyline=true&s=i

This thread made me wonder...what's the after party like?

Maybe the tall guy rams the general wannabe in the ass with that big stick.

 

[JMohegan]

Eh, not eloquently.

I could write to him and ask for the permission to re-post it here.

If it's not a hassle, that would be great.

 

[00Syd]

If it's not a hassle, that would be great.

Sent him a message. We shall see!

 

[richard_daily]

I had phone sex in spanish with naughtycakes... Does that count?

 

[intothewoods]

For those of you with a fetlife account, here's a cognizant piece of writing done by a queer, transgendered, male, Nazi fetishist explaining how he is not, in fact, a Nazi. For those of you who find it confusing how some might want to play with racial (or Nazi) themes without actually being racist (or antisemitic) themselves, this might be a useful thing to read.

A Nazi Fetishist's Manifesto

The stuff towards the end is really interesting. Thanks for posting the link, Syd. I know many post-WWII Germans have an understandably difficult time processing their feelings about the Nazis and that period in German history. It makes sense that it would be rewarding to step into that role and then feel some catharsis when it's over to see that the bottom enjoyed the experience.

Of course, as a gay guy, he also could have been a victim of the Nazis.

 

[Homburg]

For those of you with a fetlife account, here's a cognizant piece of writing done by a queer, transgendered, male, Nazi fetishist explaining how he is not, in fact, a Nazi. For those of you who find it confusing how some might want to play with racial (or Nazi) themes without actually being racist (or antisemitic) themselves, this might be a useful thing to read.

A Nazi Fetishist's Manifesto

Race play does nothing at all for me, but this is an excellent piece describing how it could do something for someone else. I think part of it gets to the core of SM in general. Good stuff.

 

[00Syd]

Sent him a message. We shall see!

Unfortunately, I was not given permission to re-post the manifesto here. The author asked me to not re-post it, and so I ask everyone else to please refrain from copy and pasting it here, too.

Maybe for those without fetlife accounts, this could be the perfect opportunity/excuse to make one. There are a lot of great discussions and pieces of writing to be found on fetlife, generally (I've found) on a much wider variety of topics and themes than are usually found here.

 

[00Syd]

Race play does nothing at all for me, but this is an excellent piece describing how it could do something for someone else. I think part of it gets to the core of SM in general. Good stuff.

Yeah, everything I've read that this guy has written has been really great. He never fails to get me thinking.

 

[intothewoods]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6y_4_b6RS8&feature=related

Heh heh.

Maybe the tall guy rams the general wannabe in the ass with that big stick.

Hawt.

 

[YourCaptor]

Well, ok, but then is engaging in rape play engaging in rape? Is M/f D/s engaging in sexism?

I see your point, though I think rape play is way different, and I don’t know enough about sexism play. I don’t think M/f D/s is automatically sexist.

But, yea, I suppose it applies too.

Maybe using another situation would help figure it out.

Would a couple that thinks it be neat to pretend the woman is a baby/dinner making machine have a problem? Why do they get off on that?

Subjugation, giving it, receiving it, in whatever flavor. Maybe that’s it. But what if other flavors won't do it for the couple.

Say, maybe in India they have some kind of caste fetish, but our couple doesn’t get off on that. Does that say anything about choosing sexism.

 

[YourCaptor]

the only thing about race play that bothers me is the "play" bit. just come out and be real about what it is, own it, and make no apologies. racism and prejudice are alive and well at every level of society, and on some level we have all been effected. refusing to acknowledge that is a bit childish imo, not to mention irritating.

so when someone decides, at least in their private life, to openly acknowledge the underlying tensions and historical baggage involved in their interracial relationship, i have some respect for that. i just wish they would come up with a better name than "race play."

But that’s just straight out racism…

What if you play with racial issues that don’t reflect you or your history.

And don’t you think choosing to use race solely because it has such a powerful effect, rather than because you buy into it makes it “race play”.

 

[YourCaptor]

I'm Hispanic, Mexican actually, and pretty service minded when it comes to my submission so I've kind fallen into a domestic role with a couple women and I have to admit that it actually has made one of my girl friends kind of uncomfortable. Her neighbors thought that I was her maid, her sister even thought that I was her maid the first time we met. It was kind of a funny sitcom moment but it made her uncomfortable to the point that she eventually asked me to stop cleaning and cooking for her.

I'd be very uncomfortable if the only reason that someone was with me was because they got off on the Latina Maid thing even though I do enjoy playing the maid. If it was just racial then I couldn't do it, it would just ick me out.

What if they wanted you for conquistador/native slave girl racial type thing?

 

[YourCaptor]

For those of you with a fetlife account, here's a cognizant piece of writing done by a queer, transgendered, male, Nazi fetishist explaining how he is not, in fact, a Nazi. For those of you who find it confusing how some might want to play with racial (or Nazi) themes without actually being racist (or antisemitic) themselves, this might be a useful thing to read.

A Nazi Fetishist's Manifesto

Yea that’s pretty much all bullshit. I just see a kid trying to find excuses for his inappropriate boner. Sex is hardly the proving ground for the lesson you’re suppose to have learned from grandpas fuck up.

The little guy needs to get out of San Francisco, which is packed with nazis by the way, and go back to Germany, talk to someone his age about it. Realize that you can talk about this shit and don’t have to make it into some twisted, neurotic, fetish thing.

It’s also pretty pathetic that he uses this to prove to himself he wouldn’t stand by doing nothing, yet I’m sure he’s not helping the homeless that I know he has to step over every single day.

 

[YourCaptor]

And honestly, fear turns me on, and I think that a nazi torture/interrogation scene might possibly one of the most terrifying scenes that I can think of. If I was able to get into the right mindset, I think I could/would be pretty genuinly horrified and scared, and that would be hot.

So, I dunno. It's on the table.

Is the fact that it turns you on justification enough to mess with something like this? Don't you think this is something bigger than you that maybe you should let be?

I'm not trying to say anything about you, just wondering how this weighs in?

 

[MasterPhoenix]

OK, this thread has gotten a little hot button... but I feel the need to contribute because I have participated and what could be considered "race play."

For those who don't know, I'm a white guy and I played this out with a black submissive.

In the process of a mind fuck, reinforcing her as a slave, I brought in the racial aspect of it from a historical perspective. Things like how she was "destined to be owned by a white man" etc...

It was something that was enjoyable to both of us, and we played with it a few times.

Really, this is one of the great taboos that is left.

Here is a link to a thread I started about this subject a few months ago: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=703026

 

[00Syd]

Is the fact that it turns you on justification enough to mess with something like this? Don't you think this is something bigger than you that maybe you should let be?

I'm not trying to say anything about you, just wondering how this weighs in?

Hell, political philosophies are "bigger than me" but the idea of my politically conservative play partner raping me while talking about how great Sarah Palin is gives me a metaphorical boner. That might make people uncomfortable, too, but tough titties. Nobodies comfort level gets to dictate my sex life, except for mine and my partner's.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let other people's hang-ups over history interfere with what I do in the privacy of my own bedroom. And does the fact that it turns me on give me the justification to mess with it? I don't need to justify it to you, to myself, or anyone else. What I do in bed with other consenting adults doesn't affect you or anyone else in any way, so if you don't like it, tough. You don't have to like it because frankly, you're not involved.

 

[midwestyankee]

Hell, political philosophies are "bigger than me" but the idea of my politically conservative play partner raping me while talking about how great Sarah Palin is gives me a metaphorical boner. That might make people uncomfortable, too, but tough titties. Nobodies comfort level gets to dictate my sex life, except for mine and my partner's.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let other people's hang-ups over history interfere with what I do in the privacy of my own bedroom. And does the fact that it turns me on give me the justification to mess with it? I don't need to justify it to you, to myself, or anyone else. What I do in bed with other consenting adults doesn't affect you or anyone else in any way, so if you don't like it, tough. You don't have to like it because frankly, you're not involved.

Bravo!

 

[intothewoods]

Hell, political philosophies are "bigger than me" but the idea of my politically conservative play partner raping me while talking about how great Sarah Palin is gives me a metaphorical boner. That might make people uncomfortable, too, but tough titties. Nobodies comfort level gets to dictate my sex life, except for mine and my partner's.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let other people's hang-ups over history interfere with what I do in the privacy of my own bedroom. And does the fact that it turns me on give me the justification to mess with it? I don't need to justify it to you, to myself, or anyone else. What I do in bed with other consenting adults doesn't affect you or anyone else in any way, so if you don't like it, tough. You don't have to like it because frankly, you're not involved.

Red!!

 

[JMohegan]

Jesus. I don't get even turned on at the thought of raping the former half-term governor, much less getting raped by one of her fans. Some of you people are sick!

Seriously, though, Phoenix's reference to mind fucks gives me a glimpse into what might be at work in this sort of thing. I'm much too straightforward a guy to be into mind fucks of any type, and actively turned off by the thought of the racially denigrating kind in particular. But I do at least have a broad grasp of the concept, so thinking of race "play" as a mind fuck helps.

The stuff towards the end is really interesting. Thanks for posting the link, Syd. I know many post-WWII Germans have an understandably difficult time processing their feelings about the Nazis and that period in German history. It makes sense that it would be rewarding to step into that role and then feel some catharsis when it's over to see that the bottom enjoyed the experience.

Of course, as a gay guy, he also could have been a victim of the Nazis.

Is the author a switch, or masochistic Top? I ask because it occurs to me that WWII German "play", like Old South plantation "play", degrades the Top for the duration of the scene - by turning him/her into a universally despised & despicable character (i.e., Nazi or real slave master).

 

[intothewoods]

Jesus. I don't get even turned on at the thought of raping the former half-term governor, much less getting raped by one of her fans. Some of you people are sick!

Seriously, though, Phoenix's reference to mind fucks gives me a glimpse into what might be at work in this sort of thing. I'm much too straightforward a guy to be into mind fucks of any type, and actively turned off by the thought of the racially denigrating kind in particular. But I do at least have a broad grasp of the concept, so thinking of race "play" as a mind fuck helps.



Is the author a switch, or masochistic Top? I ask because it occurs to me that WWII German "play", like Old South plantation "play", degrades the Top for the duration of the scene - by turning him/her into a universally despised & despicable character (i.e., Nazi or real slave master).

I know, Syd is hardcore!

Looks like it, yes.

 

[00Syd]

Is the author a switch, or masochistic Top? I ask because it occurs to me that WWII German "play", like Old South plantation "play", degrades the Top for the duration of the scene - by turning him/her into a universally despised & despicable character (i.e., Nazi or real slave master).

While that could be a possible reason why someone would enjoy that sort of play, I hesitate to say anything conclusive about an individual's motives without knowing for absolute sure. And I know that that's not what you're doing, but I just wanted to put that out there because assumptions are a serious hard limit for me, and I feel like this could veer into that territory.

I know, Syd is hardcore!

I like being degraded and treated like shit, what can I say.

 

[JMohegan]

While that could be a possible reason why someone would enjoy that sort of play, I hesitate to say anything conclusive about an individual's motives without knowing for absolute sure. And I know that that's not what you're doing, but I just wanted to put that out there because assumptions are a serious hard limit for me, and I feel like this could veer into that territory.

That's fair, I agree.

 

[YourCaptor]

Hell, political philosophies are "bigger than me" but the idea of my politically conservative play partner raping me while talking about how great Sarah Palin is gives me a metaphorical boner. That might make people uncomfortable, too, but tough titties. Nobodies comfort level gets to dictate my sex life, except for mine and my partner's.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to let other people's hang-ups over history interfere with what I do in the privacy of my own bedroom. And does the fact that it turns me on give me the justification to mess with it? I don't need to justify it to you, to myself, or anyone else. What I do in bed with other consenting adults doesn't affect you or anyone else in any way, so if you don't like it, tough. You don't have to like it because frankly, you're not involved.

Umm... are you saying you have no conflict with nazi play then, 100% comfortable with it?

I didn’t mean others opinions on it, I meant yours. Potential cognitive dissidence, such as maybe, it's hot but theirs a lot of blood on it, and how you may justify the turn on to yourself. Not applicable?