Race and Fascism

[WillJ8787]

Source:
https://time.com/5556242/what-is-fascism/

A worth while read!

 

[CornusKousa]

What is fascism?
Fascism is a movement that promotes the idea of a forcibly monolithic, regimented nation under the control of an autocratic ruler.

LOL....(D)'s are fascist

 

[Adre]

Bullshit. We are currently watching a battle between autocracy trying to cancel an election (Trumpist Republicans) and democracy trying to preserve free and fair elections (Democrats, Independents, and a few true Republicans).

 

[CornusKousa]

Bullshit. We are currently watching a battle between autocracy trying to cancel an election (Trumpist Republicans) and democracy trying to preserve free and fair elections (Democrats, Independents, and a few true Republicans).

Democracy doesn't include cheating to win bubba.....sure as shit not free and fair.

(D)'s violating their state rules to get a favorable outcome for their POTUS is trying to cancel an election and subverting democracy to get their autocrat in office, who's already promising to abuse his power.

You're backwards adre.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

What rules were violated?

50 lawsuits kicked out of court* say otherwise: there's no there there, no evidence.

*Including many Trump appointed judges.

Lol, the whiner complains about people making shit up.

Democracy doesn't include cheating to win bubba.....sure as shit not free and fair.

(D)'s violating their state rules to get a favorable outcome for their POTUS is trying to cancel an election and subverting democracy to get their autocrat in office, who's already promising to abuse his power.

You're backwards adre.

 

[CornusKousa]

What rules were violated?

50 lawsuits kicked out of court* say otherwise: there's no there there, no evidence.

*Including many Trump appointed judges.

According to the Texas vs. the (D)eez SCOTUS case the rules stating that state legislatures will have sole authority over the state elections.

Meaning all those (D) governors who decided to allow/change/extend/expand mail in voting?? Like little autocratic god kings??? Did NOT have the authority to do so, making their elections invalid.

Just like they do not have the authority to violate their residents civil rights and are getting smacked around in court for being the little wannabe fascist that they are.

Lol, the whiner complains about people making shit up.

What did I make up???

 

[Funit]

What we in Britain call the "middle classes" are projecting what THEY ARE on to the working classes. So in other words, the well placed people are suddenly acutely aware that they are the ones in the positions of actual power and who have a stake in the society, and so are deflecting attention away from themselves and on to the lowest paid, least educated people - Trump supporters.

Basically the Hillary Clintons and Cuomo's of this world, the ones with a privileged position are diverting the attention of activist minorities away from themselves and onto "deplorable" MAGA hat wearing Joe the plumber and making out he's the one that's oppressing them.

 

[Adre]

FYI, Arizona and Georgia have Republican governors. No laws were broken and the conservative Republican SC will laugh at this case and throw it in the garbage. You’re nothing more than a partisan sycophant at this point BoBo.

 

[CornusKousa]

FYI, Arizona and Georgia have Republican governors.

Arizona isn't part of this and so?? If Georgia played fuck fuck games they pay the price too.

No laws were broken and the conservative Republican SC will laugh at this case and throw it in the garbage.

Maybe, maybe not......we'll see.

You’re nothing more than a partisan sycophant at this point BoBo.

Because I understand what Texas is alleging?? LOL

Put the crazy pipe down Adre.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Except it negates your "D" conspiracy argument.

Also, Texas "changed its rules" by extending early voting by a week via an executive order from the governor.

So, Texas is suing other states for something Texas (Flaming R) did.

Interestingly, this Breitbart Bullshit neglects to consider that the very lawsuit claiming violation of "rules" is itself a violation of the law. Texas has no standing to complain about how other states run their elections. SCOTUS affirmed that.

Arizona isn't part of this and so?? If Georgia played fuck fuck games they pay the price too.




Maybe, maybe not......we'll see.



Because I understand what Texas is alleging?? LOL

Put the crazy pipe down Adre.

 

[CornusKousa]

Except it negates your "D" conspiracy argument.

No, it doesn't because there is no "D" conspiracy argument.

Also, Texas "changed its rules" by extending early voting by a week via an executive order from the governor.

So?? Did the legislature give him that authority??

So, Texas is suing other states for something Texas (Flaming R) did.

Maybe, but probably not, you don't understand the suit.

Interestingly, this Breitbart Bullshit neglects to consider that the very lawsuit claiming violation of "rules" is itself a violation of the law. Texas has no standing to complain about how other states run their elections. SCOTUS affirmed that.

No it's not, when it effects federal government the other states have standing to complain.

They don't get a say in what rules that state sets, but they do get to complain if the state doesn't follow it's own rules, a perpetual problem for the (D)'s....following their own rules.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

--"I never said that" lie in response to having D conspiracy argument refuted.

--If your response is "So?" to Texas, then it is "So?" to every other state which means "So?" is your response to your own suit. Which is what SCOTUS effectively said. So what?

You are flailing trying to maintain your D conspiracy along with trying to defend a suit that doesn't support that theory.

--Interesting. That means any state can sue any other state for their COVID "rules." If you don't mandate masks in Alabama, it might affect Mississippi, therefore MS can sue AL.

--Now you will flail between crying about states' rights and supporting your lawsuit

there is no "D" conspiracy argument.



So?? Did the legislature give him that authority??



Maybe, but probably not, you don't understand the suit.



No it's not, when it effects federal government the other states have standing to complain.

They don't get a say in what rules that state sets, but they do get to complain if the state doesn't follow it's own rules, a perpetual problem for the (D)'s....following their own rules.

 

[CornusKousa]

--"I never said that" lie in response to having D conspiracy argument refuted.

Yea....because there was no argument to refute LOL you're just making shit up.

--If your response is "So?" to Texas, then it is "So?" to every other state which means "So?" is your response to your own suit. Which is what SCOTUS effectively said. So what?

This just proves you don't understand the suit.

And no it didn't, the SCOTUS hasn't said shit yet as far as I can tell. Prob going to find out something tomorrow, but maybe today.

You are flailing trying to maintain your D conspiracy along with trying to defend a suit that doesn't support that theory.

LOL you're making shit up again, probably stemming back to that illiteracy issue.

--Interesting. That means any state can sue any other state for their COVID "rules." If you don't mandate masks in Alabama, it might affect Mississippi, therefore MS can sue AL.

No, you don't understand the suit and should try to read it.

Or don't and just keep flailing around ignorantly, good fun either way

--Now you will flail between crying about states' rights and supporting your lawsuit

Nope....you're still making shit up, probably because you can't actually defend states not following their own laws or the US Constitution.

 

[WillJ8787]

If you want to under the contradictory effluent coming out of the mouths of Republicans these days we'll here is the very example of it....

"According to the Texas vs. the (D)eez SCOTUS case the rules stating that state legislatures will have sole authority over the state elections.

Meaning all those (D) governors who decided to allow/change/extend/expand mail in voting?? Like little autocratic god kings??? Did NOT have the authority to do so, making their elections invalid"

State legislatures have the sole authority over the State elections...meaning they are autonomous, sovereign, etc...I've heard Corn cobb say this over and over.

But wait, that isn't what I meant says corncobb and these Republicans...they don't have the authority to change how the run their own state elections. Now, only Texas and the other state can say what other states can do.

It must be that Republicans are used to dealing with their low character, low intellect individuals who make up their base these days...that they think they can say absurd contradictory statements like the Above.

What do you think the SCOTUS is going to do with this???
Any guesses?

Well, Im pretty sure, about 100% certain they will be have their asses handed to them.

 

[Lazaran]

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Responding to and engaging with Creeping Charlie is exactly like feeding a plant miracle grow. He/she doesn't get fed by his "family" or "friends" so he/she comes here to get the attention that nourishes his/her dark soul.

SAD!!!

 

[CornusKousa]

But wait, that isn't what I meant says corncobb and these Republicans...they don't have the authority to change how the run their own state elections. Now, only Texas and the other state can say what other states can do.

This is where willJ goes dishonest and tries to conflate the legislature with the executive office....not the same thing.

State legislatures get to set the rules, not governors or bureaucrats running around pretending to be little dictators.

Womp womp waaaaaahhhhhhh

It must be that Republicans are used to dealing with their low character, low intellect individuals who make up their base these days...that they think they can say absurd contradictory statements like the Above.

There is no contradiction, just your dishonesty and or illiteracy.

What do you think the SCOTUS is going to do with this???
Any guesses?

IF they do the right thing they will rule in favor of the Constitution, which explicitly states legislatures get to set election rules of their elections.

And any state that went changing the rules in any other way than what was authorized by their legislature?? Will have it's election shit canned and the legislatures will assign electors.

Well, Im pretty sure, about 100% certain they will be have their asses handed to them.

We'll see.....the closest they'll come to that is just refusing to hear the case.

 

[jaF0]

I'm not aware of any Governors that took it upon themselves to singlehandedly change election rules. There were some actions by Secretaries of State or designated election officials to respond to the health crisis to ensure safe voting access for election workers and the public, but as the ones responsible for elections, that is their job.

 

[CornusKousa]

I'm not aware of any Governors that took it upon themselves to singlehandedly change election rules. There were some actions by Secretaries of State or designated election officials to respond to the health crisis to ensure safe voting access for election workers and the public, but as the ones responsible for elections, that is their job.

The US Constitution says it's not, and specifically that it is the legislatures job......that's the problem.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

LOL

Um, no, it doesn't. Would you care to cite?

What it says is legislatures have "primary" responsibility, not "exclusive" responsibility, and nowhere does it say governors, courts and election officials have
"no" responsibility.

Further reading on the legal arguments against BreitbartBoy's Breitbart Bullshit:


What's Wrong with the Argument that State Legislatures Have Exclusive Authority For Everything Election-Related

Conservative Supreme Court justices are threatening a post-election coup

The Supreme Court Limbers Up to Aid and Abet Trump’s Coup

The (Unwanted) Return of Bush v. Gore and Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s Underappreciated Impact on the 2020 Election

The US Constitution says it's not, and specifically that it is the legislatures job......that's the problem.

 

[CornusKousa]

LOL

Um, no, it doesn't. Would you care to cite?

Article 2, section 1, clause 2.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

If the state didn't follow the law, and officials or whoever operated their election outside of the laws set by the legislature? Their election could theoretically be invalid, I don't see how a justice could say it isn't....states aren't allowed to operate outside the law.

What it says is legislatures have "primary" responsibility, not "exclusive" responsibility, and nowhere does it say governors, courts and election officials have
"no" responsibility.

No it doesn't, and I never said it did.

Try to have a tiny shred of honesty about yourself.

Further reading on the legal arguments against BreitbartBoy's Breitbart Bullshit:


What's Wrong with the Argument that State Legislatures Have Exclusive Authority For Everything Election-Related

Conservative Supreme Court justices are threatening a post-election coup

The Supreme Court Limbers Up to Aid and Abet Trump’s Coup

The (Unwanted) Return of Bush v. Gore and Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s Underappreciated Impact on the 2020 Election

The leftist screeching the constitution doesn't apply to them and that enforcing the rule of law is a coup? Put the crack pipe down.

 

[Dribble]

Fascist traitor gonna believe Fascist traitors.

 

[CornusKousa]

Fascist traitor gonna believe Fascist traitors.

Can't read the law yourself??

LOL.....and you think rule of law is fascism, demonstrating yet again you desperately need to look that word up, because you're misusing it again.

 

[WillJ8787]

Yes this is correct, executive and legislative...."This is where willJ goes dishonest and tries to conflate the legislature with the executive office....not the same thing.

State legislatures get to set the rules, not governors or bureaucrats running around pretending to be little dictators.

Womp womp waaaaaahhhhhhh"

What isn't correct is the thinking that somehow only the Dems decided to change things in these states unilaterally.

They didn't....and this has been vetted via the supreme court's and other lower courts in these states....that is why all these Trump lawsuits have been tossed.

The Dems work with the Repubs in all these places...it is why you have Repubs all over the place standing up saying these lawsuits are frivolous and absurd.

Your not paying attention to this situation.

By the way, the down ballot ticket for Repubs was very successful in these very places that are being sued...you can't have you cake and eat it too.

Why no fraud for the dow ballot results...only the office of President? This is how one knows it's a republican foobar!

 

[CornusKousa]

What isn't correct is the thinking that somehow only the Dems decided to change things in these states unilaterally.

They didn't....

I never said they did.

Though it is WAY lopsided toward them.

By the way, the down ballot ticket for Repubs was very successful in these very places that are being sued...you can't have you cake and eat it too.

And?? I think forcing their goofy ass state to follow their own fucking rules will just earn more favor for the republicans.

I'm not trying to.

Why no fraud for the dow ballot results...only the office of President? This is how one knows it's a republican foobar!

Nobody said anything about fraud or is trying to separate the results, those are all wild assumptions not based in reality.

You mean 'fubar' Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition.......

This is how one knows it's a republican fucked up beyond all recognition!!
https://i.imgur.com/5BISDHF.jpg

....brilliant...absolutely fantastic job champ

 

[WillJ8787]

That is the answer I expected....

You could make a case for a more proportional system of govt similar to the UK(maybe some of our UK folks could comment).

Your responses often sound like your a sore loser who just wants what they wants after the fact....your oppressed by Dems who legitimately won their elected seats and by their legislate exercise of their office.

For example:. Governor's (whether they exercise this power or not) all have the power to declare emergencies in their states and systematic shutdown or restrict citizen behavior during those states of emergency.

I can guarantee you that in most cases I wouldn't like this(during this pandemic this has been super difficult on me personally and on all of us) and yet, I understand the necessity and I also understand the Governor of my state (whether I like them or not) must have this power.

I can't imagine the mess that would be created, a mess of arguments and inaction, if legislatures were in charge of making these decisions.

Look at our current Federal legislative branch today....it is getting nothing done and is about to go on break(vacation) to their cushy homes while millions of folks are being evicted and are starving. Wtf is that!

And I accept that this is our current system (as defunct as it it) and I'm not talking crazy shit about it....just that it needs to change via concensis and compromise and voting.