Question regarding Turner Syndrome Story

[MillieDynamite]

A friend of mine suffers from Turner Syndrome. This Syndrome is a rare genetic disorder, which is an example of nature’s own cruelty. This insidious affliction locks the stricken in a perpetual state of early pubescence. My friend still looks to be about 12 or 13 years old. She isn’t, she is a grown woman and quite lovely, but she appears almost childlike.

She related her affair with her godfather to me, asking me to write a story based on their account. She is 32 years old now, while he is 62. I’m wondering if this will somehow fall into the area of under eighteen be the fact she looks so young? The story takes place after her nineteenth birthday.

The situation, which caused her and her godfather to be living together temporarily, has been altered to fit with the coronavirus outbreak last year. Any suggestions on how I get to include the Turner disorder? I know they can get very squeamish if there is a hint of underage to the story. She wasn’t and isn’t, but she looks it.

 

[lovecraft68]

I suppose the only way to know for sure is to submit it and make sure you put something in the note box explaining this is not actual underage.

For what its worth, my personal opinion is not to do it. I don't care how you spin it, if the affliction is leaving you permanently looking 12 then the guys who want to have sex with her want it for the thrill of thinking they're screwing a child...

Hard pass on that for me

I'm not saying there can't be someone who would truly love her and her appearance isn't part of the equation, but that's real life and I highly doubt what people will be thinking on a sex site.

 

[NotWise]

I've seen stories on Lit where a character was described with young adolescent or child-like features.

That probably shouldn't fly through the rules, but people have done it. You can write it and find out. if you do, avoid descriptions like "she looked thirteen." Don't use the age, just the description.

Another alternative is to avoid potential problems and tell the story with her looking like a nineteen-year-old. That way you won't be seen as titillating the readers with an underage situation.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I suppose the only way to know for sure is to submit it and make sure you put something in the note box explaining this is not actual underage.

For what its worth, my personal opinion is not to do it. I don't care how you spin it, if the affliction is leaving you permanently looking 12 then the guys who want to have sex with her want it for the thrill of thinking they're screwing a child...

Hard pass on that for me

I'm not saying there can't be someone who would truly love her and her appearance isn't part of the equation, but that's real life and I highly doubt what people will be thinking on a sex site.

She has been hit on by every kind of pervert imaginable in her adult life. But the anchor in her life is her husband. Who, despite his reluctance to enter into the relationship, loves her for her. They married when she turned 21, and yes it is strange for a man as old as him to be in a marriage with someone that much younger than him, compounded by her situation, still they appear as happy as any couple I have ever known.

In all honesty, I have no idea if it will be accepted our not. But I'm doing it for my friends and I'll publish it somewhere if not here.

I do appreciate your advice, I know it may not be acceptable for Litertoica. I hope they do publish it though. I am not sure how the story will evolve right now. It started out for her because she'd fallen in love with Christopher (not his real name) when she was in her teens. For oblivious reasons, her parents homeschooled her. They were, overprotective, to say the least. When they died in a car accident as she turned eighteen, she wasn't equipped to live on her own.

And so the situation arose that threw a teen in with an older man she loved, how viewed her as his own child. I can't write their story the way it happened, it would a novel. So, I'm condensing things.

Anyway, any other suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I've seen stories on Lit where a character was described with young adolescent or child-like features.

That probably shouldn't fly through the rules, but people have done it. You can write it and find out. if you do, avoid descriptions like "she looked thirteen." Don't use the age, just the description.

Another alternative is to avoid potential problems and tell the story with her looking like a nineteen-year-old. That way you won't be seen as titillating the readers with an underage situation.

I'll consider what you have said. It is just the Turner thing has ruled her life in so many ways. I can't tell you how many times she has been arrested for underage age driving and using a fake id, only to have the cops embarrassed when a lawyer shows up with the documentation proving they were full of shit.

 

[Rustyoznail]

Explaining Turner Syndrome early in the story might be the key to getting it through, along with her examples of where she couldn't get in a bar, driving, etc.

Something along the lines of "It really sucked. My college friends all walked straight into the bar. It didn't matter what ID or doctors letters I had, no one believed that I was 20."

I don't know if t would pass, but it's probably your best shot.

Good luck.

 

[ElectricBlue]

She has been hit on by every kind of pervert imaginable in her adult life. But the anchor in her life is her husband. Who, despite his reluctance to enter into the relationship, loves her for her. They married when she turned 21, and yes it is strange for a man as old as him to be in a marriage with someone that much younger than him, compounded by her situation, still they appear as happy as any couple I have ever known.

In all honesty, I have no idea if it will be accepted our not. But I'm doing it for my friends and I'll publish it somewhere if not here.

It's going to be a tough one if you emphasise her young looking body first and foremost when you write sex scenes, especially if they come across as gratuitous.

I'd approach it from the opposite direction - write her as as the adult woman with adult emotions, fears and reactions, coping with her condition, finding her partner. Write the personal relationship first, so when the sex scenes arrive, they do so within the context of a mature woman in a young looking body. That way, readers shouldn't see any descriptive content as prurient or salacious, they'd be reading it in context.

Also, ask yourself what's the core of the story - human intimacy and love, by the sounds of it. Write that first and foremost, and you're writing about a person, not a body. Do that intelligently and sympathetically, and the story will be about adults, not children. It would then come down to the way you describe her, physically. It still might not pass, but would have a better chance.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Explaining Turner Syndrome early in the story might be the key to getting it through, along with her examples of where she couldn't get in a bar, driving, etc.

Something along the lines of "It really sucked. My college friends all walked straight into the bar. It didn't matter what ID or doctors letters I had, no one believed that I was 20."

I don't know if t would pass, but it's probably your best shot.

Good luck.

Thanks, I have outlined the explanation to be in the opening part of the story and documenting her parents overprotective nature of how they raised her. But you have reinforced my own thoughts on how hard a life she has had. The looks, the comments, which would have happened even if she looked 21 when they married, but magnified by her condition.

I understand their is similar condition in boys, though I don't know what it is called. Just imagine having your ID checked when you are 30 years old, and being accused of having a fake one. LOL Though in ten or twenty years I might like that issue myself. Right now it would suck big time.

 

[MillieDynamite]

It's going to be a tough one if you emphasise her young looking body first and foremost when you write sex scenes, especially if they come across as gratuitous.

I'd approach it from the opposite direction - write her as as the adult woman with adult emotions, fears and reactions, coping with her condition, finding her partner. Write the personal relationship first, so when the sex scenes arrive, they do so within the context of a mature woman in a young looking body. That way, readers shouldn't see any descriptive content as prurient or salacious, they'd be reading it in context.

Also, ask yourself what's the core of the story - human intimacy and love, by the sounds of it. Write that first and foremost, and you're writing about a person, not a body. Do that intelligently and sympathetically, and the story will be about adults, not children. It would then come down to the way you describe her, physically. It still might not pass, but would have a better chance.

All excellent points.

 

[LAHomedog]

I wouldn't write it. I'm sorry for your friend's condition, but it is a genetic mutation of the X chromosome and I can't think of anyway to write an erotic story about this that is not exploitative.

This isn't what you were asking, but how about an information piece submitted to the Huffy Post? I think this is a condition that would benefit from a higher profile especially with the amazing advances medical science is making nowadays with genetic research.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I wouldn't write it. I'm sorry for your friend's condition, but it is a genetic mutation of the X chromosome and I can't think of anyway to write an erotic story about this that is not exploitative.

This isn't what you were asking, but how about an information piece submitted to the Huffy Post? I think this is a condition that would benefit from a higher profile especially with the amazing advances medical science is making nowadays with genetic research.

Dottie, (again the name in the story not her real name) has undergone treatment her entire life. Speech therapy, estrogen supplements, growth growth hormone which helped her reach five feet, dietary supplements, psychologist, endocrinologists, and so forth and so on. But no cure is on the horizon, nor has any of these measures changed the outlook for her.

The one thing that has made her life complete is her marriage. To someone that isn't a pervert. She asked me to write the story for her, she wanted it published so I could see how it was received. Like I said, if this site doesn't publish it, I know others that will. I'd prefer it here.

Life is full of challenges, writing something and getting out there isn't one of them for me. I want to make this work for the site, that's what I'm asking is how.

But thank you for your opinion. I will suggest that my friend write an article for HuffPost or somewhere about living with the condition. She can do that far better than I can. After all, she is living it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

If I were writing this story, I'd look for ways to describe the character that don't sound like I'm trying to code them as under-age. For instance, focus on things like "short"/"never went through a growth spurt" rather than "pubescent" or "girlish". If the story requires talking about how people under-estimate her because of her appearance, you can push back against this within the story - "I'm fed up with people treating me like a child".

Turner Syndrome has a bunch of physical symptoms that aren't particularly associated with under-age, so you could use those.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/turner-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20360782

A language note: if writing about a character with a condition like this, may be worth being clear about the distinction between "suffers from X" and "suffers from the way other people react to X". TS does have some serious medical implications (cardiac problems, infertility, etc. etc.) but it doesn't force other people to treat her like a child; that's on them, and their own ignorance.

 

[SimonDoom]

I agree with ElectricBlue's thoughts. Write this story from the woman's perspective, as an adult, with sensitivity, and with a light emphasis on her appearance. Emphasize the adult person that she is internally, and the struggle she has to deal with. Deemphasize the role of the male gaze on an underage female.

It seems to me that this is a legitimate erotic perspective that is worth telling, and that there ought to be a way to tell this tale in a way that is sensitive, highly erotic, and yet not in violation of Lit's rules. It will be tricky, but that's not a reason not to try it. I wish you luck.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I agree - this story should be possible, focusing on this adult woman and the problems she encounters when people make assumptions about her. Possibly with an element of her prospective partner being put off by her looks until he knows her and it's very clear to him and the reader that she's an adult woman.

Might also be worth making clear that she doesn't have the version of Turner that involves significant learning difficulties and reduced emotional control - IIRC 2/3 of cases don't, but the 1/3 of surviving cases where their X chromosome is from the other parent do.

There are conditions that can have similar effects in men - a college friend of mine looked 11-12 and was on various drugs which were hoped to trigger puberty but only resulted in diarrhoea. Though he had zero interest in sex etc. He did like drinking and was happy to supply passport and a consultant's letter to bar staff and accept if they refused to serve him, but he was well aware that if he did get served, no-one was allowed to take his drink off him. He sued a couple pubs but generally they settled for giving him and some friends a free Sunday lunch. I got at least three free dinners that way.

 

[RetroFan]

I would be wary about writing a story where a character has a medical condition that makes them look like a child or young teenager. Even with the best of intentions and if it is approved by the site administrators, readers may see it as writing underage. It would be like writing a story about a 19-year-old female college student who has a rare genetic condition that has prevented her from going through puberty, and therefore no breast development, pubic hair or periods. She is legally an adult and thinks like an adult, but this condition gets dangerously close to the Under 18 rule.

I've written lots of stories with characters who have or in the past had some type of medical condition such as cystic fibrosis, paraplegia, cancer, albinism, gigantism, polio, scoliosis and Asperger Syndrome but I would steer clear of a character whose medical condition caused them to look underage, as well as disorders like Down's Syndrome or dementia that affect people's mental capacity. Having said that I have had characters with dementia in several of my stories, but never in a sexual role.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

What is with the obsession with children? Personally, I don't understand it and have very strong feelings about what should be done with people who do. Like the saying goes...

There are three shot to cure pedophiles, two to the chest and one to the head.

 

[Bramblethorn]

What is with the obsession with children? Personally, I don't understand it and have very strong feelings about what should be done with people who do. Like the saying goes...

There are three shot to cure pedophiles, two to the chest and one to the head.

OP isn't talking about children.

 

[colddiesel]

The site owners take the view that even a hint of underage warrants a story being scrubbed. Inevitably, no matter how 'pure' the motives of the writer are, the perverts will flock to this.

Just out of consideration for the awkward position you are putting Laurel and Manu in I think you should scrub the idea. The possibility that it could give them legal problems is real. The least you could do is ask Laurel first.

 

[jaF0]

^^^ My thought is that this could open the door to others to simply use the idea/condition for non-real life stories.

SciFi is full of child like characters doing things in adult life and circumstances (ie. Miri ), but Litifying them in any way wouldn't work here.

 

[SimonDoom]

The possibility that it could give them legal problems is real. .

No, it's not. There's no chance of legal problems whatsoever.


If Lit published stories about violent pedophilia, there's some remote chance that law enforcement could get involved, because there are a very few cases in which authors of pedophilia fiction have been prosecuted in the US. But those cases are rare. There are plenty of websites that host pedophilia content, and nothing happens to them.

Generally speaking, fiction that treats underage themes is perfectly legal, in the US, anyway. Literotica chooses not to host such content, but that doesn't mean it would be in legal trouble if it did.

The subject matter proposed by the OP in this thread would be perfectly legal.

 

[MillieDynamite]

No, it's not. There's no chance of legal problems whatsoever.


If Lit published stories about violent pedophilia, there's some remote chance that law enforcement could get involved, because there are a very few cases in which authors of pedophilia fiction have been prosecuted in the US. But those cases are rare. There are plenty of websites that host pedophilia content, and nothing happens to them.

Generally speaking, fiction that treats underage themes is perfectly legal, in the US, anyway. Literotica chooses not to host such content, but that doesn't mean it would be in legal trouble if it did.

The subject matter proposed by the OP in this thread would be perfectly legal.

I certainly didn't intend to start a firestorm of controversy on this subject. I have three different outlines for this story. One is the third person, one is the first person from the man's point of view, and the final one is first person from the "Woman's" perspective. I say woman because she is a woman.

The real-life person in question has a young face, is five feet tall, with a cup breast, and long legs as the growth hormones didn't work for her upper body. I assume, since she takes estrogen shots every 28 days, she has pubic hair. She isn't precisely childlike. She isn't exactly adult-ish. But she is whip-smart and has to put up with the same prejudges being bandied about here.

How she looks is out of her control. How she is treated is out of her control. And apparently, to some of you, how you would treat her is out of your control, as you have preconceived notions in your brain that she isn't a real adult. By extension, you can’t treat her as an adult.

I think there is nothing so intolerant as people that cannot accept those with challenges, the mentally impaired, physically challenged, or in her case, the developmental issues. I wonder if those concerned about how the pedophile might react to a story aren’t more concerned about their own reactions. I guess it's true, people are uncomfortable with other folks that don’t look, think, and act as they do.

 

[Specula]

A friend of mine suffers from Turner Syndrome. This Syndrome is a rare genetic disorder, which is an example of nature’s own cruelty. This insidious affliction locks the stricken in a perpetual state of early pubescence. My friend still looks to be about 12 or 13 years old. She isn’t, she is a grown woman and quite lovely, but she appears almost childlike.

She related her affair with her godfather to me, asking me to write a story based on their account. She is 32 years old now, while he is 62. I’m wondering if this will somehow fall into the area of under eighteen be the fact she looks so young? The story takes place after her nineteenth birthday.

The situation, which caused her and her godfather to be living together temporarily, has been altered to fit with the coronavirus outbreak last year. Any suggestions on how I get to include the Turner disorder? I know they can get very squeamish if there is a hint of underage to the story. She wasn’t and isn’t, but she looks it.

appearance is irrelevant. Legal age is everything

 

[jaF0]

I see nothing here about abnormally youthful appearance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

I see talk of heart disease and a number of other life restricting conditions.

Nor do I see it in any of the pictures I viewed. I see physical abnormalities many might associate with Downs or other conditions.


To me, that angle of appearing too young isn't passing the sniff test. I've seen a LOT of slight, diminutive/petite women in their mid-to late 20s who look to be many years younger, but they don't claim it to be any particular genetic issue.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

I have had a story pending since last month about a guy and his mentally dissable mother falling in love, so I wanna say; no, it won't fly... but crazy shit has happened.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I see nothing here about abnormally youthful appearance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_syndrome

AFAIK, the relevant parts are short stature and lack of breast development.