Question for Authors

[49greg]

The problem of the existing stories has been addressed as well. Leave the existing stories where they are, and leave the category active. Create a category for cuckold and one for revenge stories. Then let the original category evolve as it may.

Authors still active could choose to move stories to the new categories, if they're appropriate. It would be a good idea to provide a shortcut to that on the private member page for any story in LW that would expedite the process by not requiring the author to go through the existing, overly complicated editing process.

Click link. Select one of the two new categories. Submit.

That could even be rolled out a month or two in advance of the full public launch of the categories, providing the opportunity for authors to fill out the categories a little before they appear on the main page.

The whole damn editing process should be streamlined that way, but I digress...

But, as SR said, it's so much wheel spinning. It's been a discussion here from the first day I looked into the forum ( a year and a half or so before my join date... Or rather, Dark's join date. Not paying attention to which browser I'm viewing Lit with again )

Editing a publlished story: Cool. I'll have to read the FAQ's on how to do that. I've got one story with a glaring spelling error that got commented on that is really embarrassing. Well more than one, but I'm most worried about that one. I wonder what else I can do if I were to read the instructions fully.

 

[lovecraft68]

Definitely got some nasty suggestions!

I just went to the story index and looked at the description of the Loving Wives category. Yes, the name Loving Wives is a misnomer. But the description isn't:

"Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more"

Heck, cucking, and cheating both fit in there! In each of those there is someone having fun LOL.

Yes the site does break it down well, but somehow I doubt they saw what it would turn into.

Many stories there make the non con section look tame and the amount of violence and rage in many of the comments are damn disturbing.

On my one entry there they assumed I was a woman because I wrote it with the woman as the "victim" and the one that gets revenge and I went out of my way to flame the majority of the men there.

I received a nasty threat via lits feedback from some loon saying he was in Mass and only an hour away from me and he was going to come down here slap me around then fuck me in the ass like I know I like it.

I never replied and he sent a second the gist of which snotty women like you need a good beating....

Third one(guess ignoring him was making it worse) bragged about how seeing I was a woman I must be afraid of him and I should be and he was going to find out where I live.....

I finally respond saying feel free to come down, but understand I am a guy and I'm pretty sure I won't be the one getting slapped around.

The response? An instant classic.

"You're a man? Then why would you betray us like that? YOu must be pussy whipped and your wife must wear your balls around her neck etc...

No more threats though. Typical cyber maniac hiding behind the keyboard. Over a damn story

 

[49greg]

I get asked to write a continuation to almost all of my stories.

I've written a sequel (or spin off) three times, but other than that I have no interest.

The fun part is the journey. After they the characters have sex, it just gets repetitive and then I'm writing sex scenes which could have easily been used for other original stories.

I like the idea of writing a complete story, but having a character say something that leads the reader to believe that there's a lot more to come in the character's world. For instance a female character might say, "Come on, there's something I've been dying to show you." Then its "The End." It's a finished story but their world still lives on.

Plus sequels typically get far less views than the original, so I don't want to bother.

I have to agree about the repetition, and a little burn out. And the scenes that could go into other stories. I recently cut a scene from a story due to length. I liked it and wanted to use it, so I started a new story planning to use this scene as the main hot scene. And never got my characters to a point where it would fit! So now I'm working on a sequel - Must. Use. Scene. Even though at this point I'm not sure it's that good.

I gotta start doing an outline first.

 

[lovecraft68]

I get asked to write a continuation to almost all of my stories.

I've written a sequel (or spin off) three times, but other than that I have no interest.

The fun part is the journey. After they the characters have sex, it just gets repetitive and then I'm writing sex scenes which could have easily been used for other original stories.

I like the idea of writing a complete story, but having a character say something that leads the reader to believe that there's a lot more to come in the character's world. For instance a female character might say, "Come on, there's something I've been dying to show you." Then its "The End." It's a finished story but their world still lives on.

Plus sequels typically get far less views than the original, so I don't want to bother.

I agree on all counts. Especially in incest its that initial crossing of the line that intrigues me. Once that line has been crossed it is just as I said in post#20

Chapter two this time mom takes it in the ass

Chapter three dad catches us and joins the fun.

Redundant and boring. There are very few incest series that have ever been able to hold my interest.

Same goes for most categories once the two characters have gotten together its now what?

But people here love it. A series like that will get great scores, lots of votes and "more more!"

But personally I'm with you. I would rather move on and write about someone else.

 

[49greg]

Yes the site does break it down well, but somehow I doubt they saw what it would turn into.

Many stories there make the non con section look tame and the amount of violence and rage in many of the comments are damn disturbing.

On my one entry there they assumed I was a woman because I wrote it with the woman as the "victim" and the one that gets revenge and I went out of my way to flame the majority of the men there.

I received a nasty threat via lits feedback from some loon saying he was in Mass and only an hour away from me and he was going to come down here slap me around then fuck me in the ass like I know I like it.

I never replied and he sent a second the gist of which snotty women like you need a good beating....

Third one(guess ignoring him was making it worse) bragged about how seeing I was a woman I must be afraid of him and I should be and he was going to find out where I live.....

I finally respond saying feel free to come down, but understand I am a guy and I'm pretty sure I won't be the one getting slapped around.

The response? An instant classic.

"You're a man? Then why would you betray us like that? YOu must be pussy whipped and your wife must wear your balls around her neck etc...

No more threats though. Typical cyber maniac hiding behind the keyboard. Over a damn story

The brutal suggestions that Mr Anonymous comes up with are surprising. I'm hoping that they don't act like that towards women in everyday life. When I read a story I get way too involved with the main character, but I can bring myself back into "real life" before I comment. Usually.

Lets just pretend that as authors our stories are so gripping that we bring out these feelings and emotions that normally aren't there.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Incest, I think, is like anything else. It needs to serve some purpose. Lemme use an example from an Elmore Leonard story. Rape is the focal point.

The colonels wife is returning to the fort and her husband, on the stage. About half-way to the fort an Apache villain ambushes the stage and murders everyone but the colonels pretty blonde wife, whom he takes hostage to fuck. And at the climax the wife is tied-up and the Apache is removing his loin-cloth and opening the womans legs. Then the story shifts to the old army scout sent to find her.

It takes him about a day to follow the trail and locate the woman. He bides his time cuz maybe its an ambush, but finally the woman shouts GODDAMMIT WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR! COME CUT ME LOOSE! So the old scout leaves his hide, walks into the camp, and see's the Apache dead with a knife stuck in his back. The wife says, IT TOOK YOU LONG ENOUGH, THE SOB IS STARTING TO STINK.

 

[lovecraft68]

The brutal suggestions that Mr Anonymous comes up with are surprising. I'm hoping that they don't act like that towards women in everyday life. When I read a story I get way too involved with the main character, but I can bring myself back into "real life" before I comment. Usually.

Lets just pretend that as authors our stories are so gripping that we bring out these feelings and emotions that normally aren't there.

I doubt they would in real life. If they did they would not have that level of nastiness in their posts.

these are guys who have been cheated on are cucks or are under the thumb of a strong woman and to spineless and mealy mouthed to do or say anything.

They hate women for whatever reason they have and spew it here where they can get away with it. My educated guess based on a lot of experience working with women who have been abused is a true abuser does not spout this shit. 1 because they act on the impulse 2 because for the most part they don't want people in r/l to know they beat women.

So what we have here is a lot of frustration. What surprised me was again that you don't see this level of animosity over in non con where there are who knows how many rape stories. But I guess over there they are interested in the fantasy these people want reality.

 

[lovecraft68]

Incest, I think, is like anything else. It needs to serve some purpose. Lemme use an example from an Elmore Leonard story. Rape is the focal point.

The colonels wife is returning to the fort and her husband, on the stage. About half-way to the fort an Apache villain ambushes the stage and murders everyone but the colonels pretty blonde wife, whom he takes hostage to fuck. And at the climax the wife is tied-up and the Apache is removing his loin-cloth and opening the womans legs. Then the story shifts to the old army scout sent to find her.

It takes him about a day to follow the trail and locate the woman. He bides his time cuz maybe its an ambush, but finally the woman shouts GODDAMMIT WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR! COME CUT ME LOOSE! So the old scout leaves his hide, walks into the camp, and see's the Apache dead with a knife stuck in his back. The wife says, IT TOOK YOU LONG ENOUGH, THE SOB IS STARTING TO STINK.

So who stabbed him if she was tied up?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

So who stabbed him if she was tied up?

She did. He either put it back in its sheath or stuck it in the ground where she could reach it.

 

[lovecraft68]

She did. He either put it back in its sheath or stuck it in the ground where she could reach it.

But you said she was tied up?

maybe she kicked him over and he fell on it?

See this is the OCD detail part of me kicking in.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

But you said she was tied up?

maybe she kicked him over and he fell on it?

See this is the OCD detail part of me kicking in.

Why is she still tied up if she had the knife, is my question. And if the Apache had fucked her ass she wouldn't have got his knife.

 

[lovecraft68]

Why is she still tied up if she had the knife, is my question. And if the Apache had fucked her ass she wouldn't have got his knife.

Yup another dilemma.

My take would be some other Apache did not like that one and snuck in, stabbed him in the back and left him there.

 

[49greg]

Damn!

Yup another dilemma.

My take would be some other Apache did not like that one and snuck in, stabbed him in the back and left him there.

Now I'm going to have to find the book and read it! Of course I've yet to read one of his books that I didn't like. Even so....

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Okay, since I've been here, new authors, who post in LW, have come here complained and wished for new categories, to split LW up. It will most likely never happen. With 21,473 LW stories already posted, who is going to go back and re-categorize all those stories? You?

You either live with the comments and possible low scores or don't post in that category. If it's a "real" loving wives story, try Erotic Couplings instead.

You are right. There needs to be new forums. But good luck with that. I think there should be a pulp fiction forum as well. But that won't happen either. I think we're stuck with what we have given the management. Wish there were other options. But wishing won't make it happen.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

I get asked to write a continuation to almost all of my stories.

I've written a sequel (or spin off) three times, but other than that I have no interest.

The fun part is the journey. After they the characters have sex, it just gets repetitive and then I'm writing sex scenes which could have easily been used for other original stories.

I like the idea of writing a complete story, but having a character say something that leads the reader to believe that there's a lot more to come in the character's world. For instance a female character might say, "Come on, there's something I've been dying to show you." Then its "The End." It's a finished story but their world still lives on.

Plus sequels typically get far less views than the original, so I don't want to bother.

And here I am again. Writers wanting more.

Have no answer.

 

[LOAnnie2]

Yes the site does break it down well, but somehow I doubt they saw what it would turn into.

Many stories there make the non con section look tame and the amount of violence and rage in many of the comments are damn disturbing.

On my one entry there they assumed I was a woman because I wrote it with the woman as the "victim" and the one that gets revenge and I went out of my way to flame the majority of the men there.

I received a nasty threat via lits feedback from some loon saying he was in Mass and only an hour away from me and he was going to come down here slap me around then fuck me in the ass like I know I like it.

I never replied and he sent a second the gist of which snotty women like you need a good beating....

Third one(guess ignoring him was making it worse) bragged about how seeing I was a woman I must be afraid of him and I should be and he was going to find out where I live.....

I finally respond saying feel free to come down, but understand I am a guy and I'm pretty sure I won't be the one getting slapped around.

The response? An instant classic.

"You're a man? Then why would you betray us like that? YOu must be pussy whipped and your wife must wear your balls around her neck etc...

No more threats though. Typical cyber maniac hiding behind the keyboard. Over a damn story

LOL LC, I'm a woman who writes non-con as her bread and butter stories (if she got any bread or butter out of writing them) and I think the worst comment I've gotten was someone saying the story was disgusting because rape is sick and wrong (and then had someone a few days later jump on and tell the person who made that comment they're an idiot since it's in the non-con section).

But to seriously have someone joke about finding you (when they thought you were a woman) and taking your ass just to teach you your place--damn!

 

[Zeb_Carter]

You are right. There needs to be new forums. But good luck with that. I think there should be a pulp fiction forum as well. But that won't happen either. I think we're stuck with what we have given the management. Wish there were other options. But wishing won't make it happen.

What? Huh? Did the wine go to your head as you typed this?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Why is she still tied up if she had the knife, is my question. And if the Apache had fucked her ass she wouldn't have got his knife.

'cuz he liked to see her face as he fucked her ass, so he was face to face with her, legs pushed up high, his dick in her ass, his knife slapping her thigh as he did.

 

[lovecraft68]

LOL LC, I'm a woman who writes non-con as her bread and butter stories (if she got any bread or butter out of writing them) and I think the worst comment I've gotten was someone saying the story was disgusting because rape is sick and wrong (and then had someone a few days later jump on and tell the person who made that comment they're an idiot since it's in the non-con section).

But to seriously have someone joke about finding you (when they thought you were a woman) and taking your ass just to teach you your place--damn!

Well understand the story was waaaay over the top and could have easily went into non con.

But the thing about lit(and this mirrors r/l) the majority of readers in non con, both male and female, prefer the woman on the receiving end. Femdom stories are generally much lower ranked and get more flaming.

As a noted moron and knuckledragging author that posts everywhere but the Ah, once told me, "Its just against nature for the woman to take it to the man"

So I think that was I draw the ire if such an upstanding individual.

 

[lovecraft68]

LOL LC, I'm a woman who writes non-con as her bread and butter stories (if she got any bread or butter out of writing them) and I think the worst comment I've gotten was someone saying the story was disgusting because rape is sick and wrong (and then had someone a few days later jump on and tell the person who made that comment they're an idiot since it's in the non-con section).

But to seriously have someone joke about finding you (when they thought you were a woman) and taking your ass just to teach you your place--damn!

Just quoting this again to ask if the story was a "true" rape story (where the victim did not enjoy it in the least)

If it was then by the rule of the site it should not have posted and believe it or not there are people there who are looking mostly for forced sex fantasies where the woman does end up enjoying it. They will call out real rape stories.

On the other hand the other poster was right, the section is called non consent what would you expect.

So you fell into lits "Rape? We don't allow it! But hey, check out the non consent section!"

Not the fault of you putting it there, just an example of the hypocrisy of having a rule then having a category that contradicts it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

LOL LC, I'm a woman who writes non-con as her bread and butter stories (if she got any bread or butter out of writing them) and I think the worst comment I've gotten was someone saying the story was disgusting because rape is sick and wrong (and then had someone a few days later jump on and tell the person who made that comment they're an idiot since it's in the non-con section).

But to seriously have someone joke about finding you (when they thought you were a woman) and taking your ass just to teach you your place--damn!

Your post touches my core problem with scoring at LIT: If most stories in most categories suffer from the IDIOT FACTOR why is the idiot factor missing from the LIT ALL STARZ? Why are they immune?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Just quoting this again to ask if the story was a "true" rape story (where the victim did not enjoy it in the least)

If it was then by the rule of the site it should not have posted and believe it or not there are people there who are looking mostly for forced sex fantasies where the woman does end up enjoying it. They will call out real rape stories.

On the other hand the other poster was right, the section is called non consent what would you expect.

So you fell into lits "Rape? We don't allow it! But hey, check out the non consent section!"

Not the fault of you putting it there, just an example of the hypocrisy of having a rule then having a category that contradicts it.

I lived thru the period when porn was prosecuted and recall the first PLAYBOY that had a photo of pubic hair (January 1968). Yet fuck books and movies and pix were available, cuz almost every dad in America had a stache of it, and boys are born with ultra sensitive pussy sniffers.

So you gotta wonder where modern porn writing is going, for real.

 

[lovecraft68]

Your post touches my core problem with scoring at LIT: If most stories in most categories suffer from the IDIOT FACTOR why is the idiot factor missing from the LIT ALL STARZ? Why are they immune?

Fan base.

Once you've been writing a couple of years you build a following. Those followers tend to always vote high because they like you. Their votes counter act most of the casual one bombers.

Take a look at this list.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/favauthorsv2.php

Check out the top ten all over 3k favorites pages. That doesn't mean they all vote in fact many don't or all those author's stories would have 3k+ votes, but enough vote to beat down all but the really dedicated troll.

Look at their pages most of them have 75% or better H ratings. Fan base does that.

 

[MSTarot]

"You're a man? Then why would you betray us like that?"

YOU... you betrayer of men you! You should be whipped... no you would enjoy that too much. You should be... no you would like that too much as well. Hum... The men of the world will get back to you on this... you betrayer you!


I have a story I did for the last Halloween contest that I had to ask Laurel to move for me, during the contest mind you, because I was getting so much negative comment that I had it in the wrong category. I read somewhere that if a story had incest in it, it should be in incest. Okay... I can do that. This story had a lot of elements to it, mature, blackmail, whipping, first time, and incest. The girl was made to give her bother a blowjob with a gun to the back of her head.

Oh my god the comments I got. I erased them all once it was moved.

The readers here seem to have a mind set of what they will find in any given category and if that is not what they find you as the author have betrayed their trust. i can somewhat understand that. If I picked up a fantasy novel and there was a western under the cover I would a little stunned and then angry. But that wouldn't stop me from enjoying the story once I got into it.

Maybe as writer of erotica we get further under the skin of our reader. We get to those places that they themselves don't like to look to closely at. The part of the mind that's got all the dark thoughts, that we have to explore constantly just to write what we do. So that when we 'betray' them it a harder hit than a western instead of a fantasy.


I am getting more soap boxy in the fucking morning this weekend. I've got Fawcking things to be doing.

 

[lovecraft68]

YOU... you betrayer of men you! You should be whipped... no you would enjoy that too much. You should be... no you would like that too much as well. Hum... The men of the world will get back to you on this... you betrayer you!


I have a story I did for the last Halloween contest that I had to ask Laurel to move for me, during the contest mind you, because I was getting so much negative comment that I had it in the wrong category. I read somewhere that if a story had incest in it, it should be in incest. Okay... I can do that. This story had a lot of elements to it, mature, blackmail, whipping, first time, and incest. The girl was made to give her bother a blowjob with a gun to the back of her head.

Oh my god the comments I got. I erased them all once it was moved.

The readers here seem to have a mind set of what they will find in any given category and if that is not what they find you as the author have betrayed their trust. i can somewhat understand that. If I picked up a fantasy novel and there was a western under the cover I would a little stunned and then angry. But that wouldn't stop me from enjoying the story once I got into it.

Maybe as writer of erotica we get further under the skin of our reader. We get to those places that they themselves don't like to look to closely at. The part of the mind that's got all the dark thoughts, that we have to explore constantly just to write what we do. So that when we 'betray' them it a harder hit than a western instead of a fantasy.


I am getting more soap boxy in the fucking morning this weekend. I've got Fawcking things to be doing.

Oh, trust me incest readers do not like non consensual incest. You saw that first hand.

That crowd likes light, fluffy, fun and even romantic. I got some taste of that with SWB which had some hardcore BDSM, it was consensual but rough and I got some flak for it.

My theory? In real life incest is sick and mostly always non consensual. I think when an incest fan on lit reads something that strikes the "reality" cord with them, they react just as any other person would and probably even worse because it ruins their own fun fantasies.

But I see where you were stuck, I am not sure the non con crowd would have gone for incest.

This was a rock and a hard place story for you.

I recently published a book on Smashwords that featured a masked man breaking into the house and telling the mother/son he has been watching them and wants to see them fuck.

The son is reluctant(mom goes along pretty easy though which was a clue to the reader) but the guy has a gun (later to be found out was not real) and they go through with it, fucking while the guy tells them what he wants to see.

At the end of the story the father comes home from his "trip" and the son overhears them talking. He was the masked man.

Did really well over there, but had it not been revealed who the father was and the mother was reluctant as well I wonder how it would have gone over?

Part of me is tempted to put a version of it on lit and see what happens.