Question 2

[Guest]

What is the UNappeal of a intimacy between two men?

Again, upon asking about this the overwhelming response is something between mild disgust and outright anger... why?

 

[TheeGoatPig]

I can answer this one unequivocally, as I have done on many occasions.

There is nothing attractive about men.

 

[fieryjen]

I can't really answer that, as I don't share the view.

I'd rather see two guys make out that two girls. I like watching both - I find the intimacy and the acts are what arouses me, not the plumbing - but if I had to pick I'd pick two guys, likely because that's the gender I prefer over the other.

 

[Guest]

I can answer this one unequivocally, as I have done on many occasions.

There is nothing attractive about men.

This maybe true for you TGP, but what about those that are naturally attracted to men (straight women, gay men, etc)... even people that fall into those 'categories' seem to think its not sexy. {I am NOT implying that everyone finds this distasteful}

 

[Guest]

I can't really answer that, as I don't share the view.

I'd rather see two guys make out that two girls. I like watching both - I find the intimacy and the acts are what arouses me, not the plumbing - but if I had to pick I'd pick two guys, likely because that's the gender I prefer over the other.

And that is what I was wondering.... why?
What makes it so erotic.... so intimate?

 

[TheeGoatPig]

This maybe true for you TGP, but what about those that are naturally attracted to men (straight women, gay men, etc)... even people that fall into those 'categories' seem to think its not sexy. {I am NOT implying that everyone finds this distasteful}

Sorry, I can only answer for myself

 

[jomar]

Because their are a lot of homophobic guys out there. They like the girl-girl stuff, though. And we're not socialized to accept such tenderness and intimacy between men. Women can hold hands in public. Men can't (in the US).

 

[Munachi]

my impression is that for a lot of men (not necessarily those here, i guess people here tend to be a bit more open) there is a fear of admitting that they would ever find something like that attractive, because they are scared of being seen as homosexual if they'd admit it (even just to themselves), and that that would endanger their own manliness. i guess this varies from culture to culture, but i think for a lot of the less self-confident guys that is somehow the problem - that they think if they'd ever get it on with a man or even just admit they like seeing to men get it on, or even just admit that a man can be attractive, they would lose their own manliness.

at the same time, it seems that women admitting they like seeing other women, or that have sex with other women, aren't as easily seen as less feminine, so there is less of a problem with that.

again, i guess it varies from culture to culture, but that is my general impression...

 

[rgraham666]

As I said elsewhere, I don't like men.

 

[CWatson]

Munachi gets the prize.

According to the rules of modern US culture, to be gay is to give up all legitimate claims to masculinity. To Americans, there is no such thing as a "butch" gay man, because all homosexuals are--forgive the term, but it's the only appropriate one in context--pussies. Real men--the big muscled lumberjacks who wear flannel and drive trucks and so forth--real men like women.

Consequently, to admit that you are (or even might be) attracted to another man is to socially castrate yourself with a pair of gardening shears. This is also why straight porn always stars super-hot women... Coupling with the most ursine, australopithecal, butt-ugly-disgusting specimens of Y-chromosome you will ever see in your life. If you're an over-40 with a beer gut, lots of body hair and the gift of a large penis, you should actually go audition because every porn company in America will pay you tons of money to fuck hot girls. (Go figure, huh? And here all us 20somethings are wasting money going to the gym--and then on buying that very same porn!)

The funny thing is how this trope plays out in just about any culture that prizes masculinity. Right now America and some Latin-American countries are going the same route: that to be gay is to be fatally compromised/infected by femininity. Others, like Ancient Greece and Feudal Japan, held the opposite view: that the purest love is that of an older man for a boy, who is of course the epitome and apex of masculinity; in short, gay men are hyper-masculine, are too manly to be attracted to the fairer sex. And there you go: the need to be masculine leads to two completely different attitudes towards homosexual behavior. Weird, huh?

 

[Boxlicker101]

I have seen a few gay movies and I didn't care for them at all. The men in them tend to be simpering pansies or tattooed thugs. None of them looked like normal people, at least not in the few movies I have seen. Besides that, I would much, much rather look at naked women.

 

[Belegon]

Sex between two men is not visually appealing to me because I am not attracted to men, at least not due to their physical shape. I stand by my long-standing position that it is entirely possible I could fall in love with a man and if that were to happen I would expect that we could make it work.

But I do not have the desire to watch two men go at it.

On the other hand, I know legions of straight women who are turned on by this...

...so perhaps it is simply a matter of the prevailing opinion that is on the widest public display? Because I do not think gay male sex has a lack of target audience. I'm just not part of it.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Sex between two men is not visually appealing to me because I am not attracted to men, at least not due to their physical shape. I stand by my long-standing position that it is entirely possible I could fall in love with a man and if that were to happen I would expect that we could make it work.

But I do not have the desire to watch two men go at it.

On the other hand, I know legions of straight women who are turned on by this...

...so perhaps it is simply a matter of the prevailing opinion that is on the widest public display? Because I do not think gay male sex has a lack of target audience. I'm just not part of it.

Gay male sex is quite popular in written erotica. It's also popular in porn. And some of the largest consumers are straight women. I'm not one of them. I had a thing for it, for a while... it was interesting to me, attractive. I read Anne Rice's erotica and found myself intrigued - and turned on. Some of it goes too over the top for me - but that can be said for any configuration, gay or straight

But I can say it doesn't really appeal to me anymore. It's not a turn OFF necessarily... it's just not a turn ON. It's sort of a neutral... eh.

 

[off2bed]

It's the same as eating feces. It's just not pleasing to me. 'Nuff said.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Gay male sex is quite popular in written erotica. It's also popular in porn. And some of the largest consumers are straight women. I'm not one of them. I had a thing for it, for a while... it was interesting to me, attractive. I read Anne Rice's erotica and found myself intrigued - and turned on. Some of it goes too over the top for me - but that can be said for any configuration, gay or straight

But I can say it doesn't really appeal to me anymore. It's not a turn OFF necessarily... it's just not a turn ON. It's sort of a neutral... eh.

I have actually had emails from women telling me how much they like some of my gay male stories. It surprised me, but I felt good about it.

 

[desertslave]

I didn't know it was unappealing! Did I miss another memo?

I used to be part of an MMF triad. I always thought it was very hot to watch "my" guys together. I learned a few things, too.

 

[impressive]

M/M sex is only visually appealing to me because it's outside "me." I mean, no matter what I do, I can't have M/M sex. I can get really, really close to it, though.

It was the first porn I ever viewed, rented, or owned. And, other than all-girl sex, MMF is, by far, my preferred 3some dynamic. You get two Fs with one M, and things get more territorial than with any other combo.

 

[only_more_so]

I can answer this one unequivocally, as I have done on many occasions.

There is nothing attractive about men.

I'm with TGP on this. I just don't find men attractive, and 2 men together is even less attractive.

 

[Guest]

I have seen a few gay movies and I didn't care for them at all. The men in them tend to be simpering pansies or tattooed thugs. None of them looked like normal people, at least not in the few movies I have seen. Besides that, I would much, much rather look at naked women.

My wife asked that we purchase some gay porn, as she was curious; I told her she would be disappointed as the "actors" have the emotional range of turnips and the dialogue consists of such scintillating bits of wit as:

"Oh. Yeah. Fuck that ass. Yeah. Oh."

And I'm afraid I'm not exaggerating in the slightest.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Said by others here...

I don't like men. Now that being said, it doesn't turn me off watching MF sex. But two men...I rather watch grass grow.

 

[TheReapersWife]

As I said elsewhere, I don't like men.

That's silly! You are one! ^w^
!!! Do you not like yourself??? 0_0
*sadness*

 

[Stella_Omega]

My wife asked that we purchase some gay porn, as she was curious; I told her she would be disappointed as the "actors" have the emotional range of turnips and the dialogue consists of such scintillating bits of wit as:

"Oh. Yeah. Fuck that ass. Yeah. Oh."

And I'm afraid I'm not exaggerating in the slightest.

That's what all the cheap porn sounds like, isn't it?
ba-chika-chicka-ba-chika....

As far as the original question, I don't know because I love watching men together-- Any time bodies are naked and happy with each other, it's good.
But I think CWatson has the right of it.

 

[Corylea]

I don't mind if straight men or lesbian women don't find MM sex arousing -- there's nothing wrong with "not my thing." But when people find it actively disgusting, when they go out of their way to talk about how much they hate it, I figure that those people are driven by fear.

I think Munachi and CWatson are right about the mechanism. But think about this -- courage is considered to be a "masculine" trait in our society (I beg to differ, but that's the common wisdom). So showing that one finds MM sex disgusting is showing your fear, showing that you don't have courage -- as far as I'm concerned, that's what unmans you.

Again, I'm not ragging on the people who shrug and say, "Not for me, but if it makes them happy, go to it" -- I'm talking about the people who say, "Ewww, gross, disgusting."

 

[Munachi]

It's the same as eating feces. It's just not pleasing to me. 'Nuff said.

you tried both?

 

[gauchecritic]

I've never understood the hatred or disgust of men for gay sex.

You can't watch a cock go in a pussy without seeing the cock too.

and the apparent 'vogue' or niche for bottom-love is even more confusing. An arse is an arse be it male or female.

I recall somewhere, someone (perhaps here or elsewhere) saying that when younger, he regularly shagged his best friend because the other guy wanted him to. But he was vehement about his own sexuality and that he was straight as a die.

I think it's to do with that sliding scale; from gay to straight and that people are situated all across the scale, sometimes you find that 'wholly' gay men are just as vehement about their dislike of the opposite sex.