Pwp

[TheEarl]

Do you think that it's acceptable to write PWP (Porn Without Plot or Plot? What Plot?)? I've got this idea for a story, I have the characters and I know exactly what I'm doing except we're jumping straight into sex within 3 pages and only coming out for brief interludes and the end. It's got a storyline in the strictest sense, as in things happen, but these things happen solely for the purpose of sex. There are very few scenes which aren't either a lead-up or a follow-up to sex.

I can write this story quite easily, but I want to know whether you think it's worth the effort for something that would be porn through and through. Don't get me wrong, the characters have motivations and stuff, but it's an aphrodisiac story, so it's easy to get them to shag.

Any thoughts?

The Earl

 

[English Lady]

Go for it!

I think there is nothing wrong with writing sex for sex sake. in fact i think it can be a really good thing sometimes.

Just write it and let the characters go wild! why not?

 

[destinie21]

in this venue it's practically expected. Go for it.

 

[TheEarl]

I love you people. How did I know I'd get exactly that response.

English Lady, Mrs 21. It's now officially all your fault. Unless I win the Halloween competition of course in which case you were both meddling and were lucky that my genius salvaged it .

I think I'd make a good Prime Minister.

The Earl

 

[Icingsugar]

Dive into it! It that's what you're after, I think it wouldn't take many lines to set up a somewhat beliveable scenario for a few pages of pure porn. No need to get into detailed character descriotions or background. Just dive into the dirrt and let the readers fill in the blanks.

"He couldn't belive it. The cat was out of the bag. But it didn't scratch and bite. The two women, Oscar's wife and mistress, were sitting on the divan, stark naked, giggling and smiling at him. Oscar had expected tears, mayhem and laywers. Certainly not this. Not that he'd complain."

Something like that. Cue the sex.

 

[MathGirl]

Do you think that it's acceptable to write PWP (Porn Without Plot or Plot? What Plot?)?

Dear Earl,
I do that most of the time. Of course, that doesn't mean it's 'acceptable.' Whatever that means.
MG
Ps. I prefer to think of my stuff as 'smut.'

 

[gauchecritic]

Only don't expect any 'literary' feedback. Just "That made me hard as iron" or "Do you want a picture of my cock, if not can I have a pic of yours?"

As I've recently had explained, there's nothing wrong with stroke.

Just do it.

Gauche

 

[Guest]

we're jumping straight into sex ... Any thoughts?

No, just reflexes. Write it, post it and tell me when it's up.

Pear

 

[Quasimodem]

. . . I've got this idea for a story . . . Any thoughts? The Earl

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. . . . . GO FOR IT! . . . . .




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[Wantonica]

Well...

No plot? Does that mean the story goes along the line of see, lick, suck, lick more, suck more, fuck, fuck more, over? Ha, you have to have some sort of plot... or really not? Curious, just curious; write the darn story!

Bump,
Wantonica

Hey Earl, you're the first person I've ever bumped... do you feel special? If not, you had better get a grip!

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

TheEarl,

I'm singing with the rest of the choir on this one. I've long wished there was a Sex/Love Scenes Forum or a thread like that on the SDC.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[Jenny _S]

I have to jump in and throw my 1.5 cents worth in. (Note it's not a whole 2 cents.)

I find myself between a rock and a hard place on this PWP question. First, you have to concider the reader. Who is he? What's he doing when he reads a story? We all know what that is.

That means a "sucessful" story on Lit is SEX, SEX and MORE SEX.

Unfortunately, that doesn't really do much for the art of writing. I see a lot of talented people writing PWP when they are capable of a whole lot more.

So what do you do? Upgrade the quality of the stories and drive away the readers?

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

Jenny,

I'm not disagreeing with you, at all. But there's more to writing a story than just a good plot and solid characters. What I'll call "action" scenes are a challenge for most writers. Such scenes include: sex/making love, combat, a fight, a sports event, a violent crime, etc., and usually involve a large amount of action in comparison to a scene with a lot of dialogue or narrative.

IMHO, one of the biggest differences between the sex/love scene and all the rest is finding a way to improve your writing of them. Lit is one of the few spots on the web I know of where folks are willing to read and judge such a scene for both its literary and turn-on aspects.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[Icingsugar]

I find myself between a rock and a hard place on this PWP question. First, you have to concider the reader. Who is he? What's he doing when he reads a story? We all know what that is.

No. What?

That means a "sucessful" story on Lit is SEX, SEX and MORE SEX.

Unfortunately, that doesn't really do much for the art of writing. I see a lot of talented people writing PWP when they are capable of a whole lot more.

So what do you do? Upgrade the quality of the stories and drive away the readers?

Hafta disagree. Yes, there should be sex, lots of it, in a good Lit story, but if success is measured by the percentage of "she sucked, he licked, they fucked" (and of course also the quality of said descriptions) then alot of the more popular stories here, widely read and often H-marked would not be half the success they were. They'e good exactly because they *don't* dive straight into the nasty bits.

I think the readers deserve a little more credit than that. A good, lengthy suspense and pleasure delayer can work really well for wank-fiction too.

 

[snooper]

... I think I'd make a good Prime Minister.

But have you got what it takes?
Requirement 1: A wife with a mouth like a letter-box.
Requirement 2: A puppet-master pulling your strings who really knows how to do it.
Requirement 3: A complete absence of morals, conscience, ideas, integrity, honesty, etc.

If you pass those three - then go for PM; otherwise stick to writing good stories.

 

[English Lady]

Earl..this isn't the first time i've been blamed for something..and it won't be the last *LOL*

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Why does everyone always assume that writing a good sex scene is easier than writing any other kind of scene? It's not.

The fact is, most people are more willing to read a bad sex scene than they are willing to read a bad story and so we can get away with writing weak sex and still have the story be considered "hot". But that doesn;t mean they're easy to write. When you get down to it, the experinece of sex is probably one of the fullest, most involving and most intense experiences a human being can have, and I've seen very few good descriptions of it.

---dr.M.

 

[Jenny _S]

Why does everyone always assume that writing a good sex scene is easier than writing any other kind of scene? It's not.

The fact is, most people are more willing to read a bad sex scene than they are willing to read a bad story and so we can get away with writing weak sex and still have the story be considered "hot". But that doesn;t mean they're easy to write. When you get down to it, the experinece of sex is probably one of the fullest, most involving and most intense experiences a human being can have, and I've seen very few good descriptions of it.

---dr.M.

Maybe it's a larger question, Dr. M.

Is a beautiful, well written sex scene a story at all? I agree that sex scenes are difficult to write. But if sex is all there is to the piece is it even a story?

 

[Guest]

Sorry to impose some kulture here but I'm reminded of an interview with George Balanchine, the great ballet choreographer and creator of the NYCB. Throughout his career critics (and audiences) were often baffled by his so-called 'abstract' ballets sans costumes, scenery and plot. Everyone wanted to know what they 'were about'. He remarked, "You have boy and girl dancing; how much more story you want?"

IMO a so called 'sex scene' fits his rhetoric. Depending on the writing it can be a full-stop story, even at 600 words (nearly subtle plug there.)

Perdita

 

[Vincent E]

Do you think that it's acceptable to write PWP (Porn Without Plot or Plot? What Plot?

Only if your intent is to get about 50,000 people reading the story and casting more high fives than you have ever seen before. Let's face it, the people who read stories looking for plot, character development, and substance are few and far between at this website (AH contributors excepted).

Besides, there is nothing wrong wth the occasional stroker.

If I had a nickel for every reader who is sitting at his desktop, logged into this site with his pants around his ankles (or her skirt hiked up around her waist) I'd be able to quit my chicken-shit job and follow my real calling: Morris Dancing.

 

[raphy]

There's a time and a place for writing (and rading) stroke.

No reason why it shouldn't be there and now (or here and now, depending on how you look at it)

Raphy, trying to avoid innuendo and failing miserably.

 

[Pure]

I agree with dr m.,

Actually 'writing' a sex scene is a challenge--one avoided by many writers, till recent years.

But, if you mean a piece of predicatable, formulaic writing--stiff prick into sis's hot pussy-- that's a whole other question, and its 'acceptability' depends on the amount of literary whoredom you're prepare to commit for five minutes' attention by those of a certain crowd.

Writing 'to the job' [for an simple express practical effect] for the aim of happy wanking or happy eating at mcdonalds, is just that; creativity, if there is any, is put into the harness for someone else: it's as 'acceptable' as the jingle writing of any ad-man.

J.

 

[Guest]

Vincenzo, bello,

Your wit sharpens with each post.

ciao, Perdita

 

[English Lady]

I don't know if it's my cultured handle or what but i get my highest marks for the stories that have lots of plot,lots of build up and lots of story. The purely sex stories i write(mostly for my own pleasure i must admit) don't score anywhere near as well.

Maybe I am an anomaly.

 

[MathGirl]

Originally posted by dr_mabeuse sex is probably one of the fullest, most involving and most intense experiences a human being can have, and I've seen very few good descriptions of it.

"Chicken processing and sex. Two of life's great mysteries."
Joe Lansdale