Pushing/finding your boundaries

[XerXesXu]

Tentacles? I have done tentacles:

The Giant Squid

Interesting. Do invertebrates not count as beasts?

 

[NotWise]

Interesting. Do invertebrates not count as beasts.

It puts the story into the realm of science fiction rather than bestiality.

 

[Bramblethorn]

IME writing can be a good way to work out my own thoughts about some topics. I feel like my latest story, in particular, helped me learn some things about myself both kink-wise and otherwise. Sometimes it's easier to understand one's own foibles when placed into a fictional character than in the mirror.

Addendum to this: I often end up writing story-within-a-story - for instance, two lovers who are roleplaying a BDSM fantasy together - and I think part of that's about putting the fantasy far enough away from myself that I'm willing to share it.

 

[XerXesXu]

It puts the story into the realm of science fiction rather than bestiality.

It may be fiction, it may feature a scientific expedition, but giant squids are not fictitious, why would it not also be bestiality? Had the expedition been to find a big dog would it have been science fiction?

 

[SimonDoom]

Interesting. Do invertebrates not count as beasts?

They don't if they are from another planet. If they're from Earth, they're beasts.

My story Penis Fish initially was rejected on beastiality grounds. It's about an alien that mimics an Earthbound worm that looks like a penis. Once I satisfied Laurel that the penis-thing was from another planet, she let it get by.

 

[NotWise]

It may be fiction, it may feature a scientific expedition, but giant squids are not fictitious, why would it not also be bestiality? Had the expedition been to find a big dog would it have been science fiction?

The tentacle creatures aren't normally giant squids. They're extra-terrestrials. If you wrote sex with a giant squid, then it might be rejected.

I think Simon had his "Penis Fish" story rejected for bestiality, but then got it through because his penis fish were extra terrestrial.

 

[SimonDoom]

Interesting. Do invertebrates not count as beasts?

Mythical, terrestrial-based creatures pass the test too. Werewolves are fine. Wolves are not.

 

[XerXesXu]

The tentacle creatures aren't normally giant squids. They're extra-terrestrials. If you wrote sex with a giant squid, then it might be rejected.

I think Simon had his "Penis Fish" story rejected for bestiality, but then got it through because his penis fish were extra terrestrial.

"What is described is a fantasy with a mythical creature."

What if you merely assert that it's a mythical creature, even though it's not?

 

[NotWise]

"What is described is a fantasy with a mythical creature."

What if you merely assert that it's a mythical creature, even though it's not?

Give that a try and tell us how it works.

 

[SimonDoom]

"What is described is a fantasy with a mythical creature."

What if you merely assert that it's a mythical creature, even though it's not?

Don't overthink this. It comes down to what Laurel allows, or doesn't.

Come up with a plausible explanation that it is not a real terrestrial creature and you should be OK.

Ask yourself: How's the reader going to see it?

 

[XerXesXu]

Don't overthink this. It comes down to what Laurel allows, or doesn't.

Come up with a plausible explanation that it is not a real terrestrial creature and you should be OK.

Ask yourself: How's the reader going to see it?

No plausible explanation, simply an assertion that a creature which is not mythical was mythical.

I'm the reader.

How did I see it? Bestiality.

I don't care, but it highlights the rather fuzzy lines drawn on Lit, and the perplexity that contributors sometimes express about what is permitted and what is not.

 

[XerXesXu]

Give that a try and tell us how it works.

Been done.

 

[oggbashan]

"What is described is a fantasy with a mythical creature."

What if you merely assert that it's a mythical creature, even though it's not?

A giant squid is NOT mythical. But an adult Giant Squid that can survive at sea level instead of the abyssal deeps - is. So my Giant Squid is a mythical creature - a fantasy.


Juvenile giant squid have been observed at relatively shallow depths, but adults and Arnold is over 18 of course, cannot live unless they are very deep.


PS. No real giant squid could live on the European continental shelf where French trawlermen operate. The seas are far too shallow. And no commercial fishermen anywhere in the world would trawl at a depth where giant squid live.


My story is just a piece of fun about 'what if?'.

 

[XerXesXu]

A giant squid is NOT mythical. But an adult Giant Squid that can survive at sea level instead of the abyssal deeps - is. So my Giant Squid is a mythical creature - a fantasy.


Juvenile giant squid have been observed at relatively shallow depths, but adults and Arnold is over 18 of course, cannot live unless they are very deep.


PS. No real giant squid could live on the European continental shelf where French trawlermen operate. The seas are far too shallow. And no commercial fishermen anywhere in the world would trawl at a depth where giant squid live.


My story is just a piece of fun about 'what if?'.

So, where did they get the photos:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=giant+squid&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover

You can also have a bit of fun with furry creatures, I'm told, but you'll have to duckduckgo that.

 

[oggbashan]

So, where did they get the photos:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=giant+squid&form=HDRSC2&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover

You can also have a bit of fun with furry creatures, I'm told, but you'll have to duckduckgo that.

The photos on the surface are all of DEAD giant squid, dead from being too far out of their living zone.


From Wikipedia:

The vertical distribution of giant squid is incompletely known, but data from trawled specimens and sperm whale diving behavior suggest it spans a large range of depths, possibly 300–1,000 metres (980–3,280 ft)

 

[XerXesXu]

The photos on the surface are all of DEAD giant squid, dead from being too far out of their living zone.


From Wikipedia:

The vertical distribution of giant squid is incompletely known, but data from trawled specimens and sperm whale diving behavior suggest it spans a large range of depths, possibly 300–1,000 metres (980–3,280 ft)

But if a nice lady, seeing their distress, put them in a tank, maybe they'd be alive. Maybe if James girlfriend had been the lady, this one would have lived.

https://www.worldation.com/stories/happened-surfer-giant-squid-unreal/2/

 

[AlinaX]

A real, living creature out of context does not read as mythical fantasy. There needs to be a clear fantasy element. Biologically improbable isn't really fantasy.

 

[Payne_Hall]

Hasn’t Ogg’s Giant Squid story been up for 17 years?

 

[XerXesXu]

Hasn’t Ogg’s Giant Squid story been up for 17 years?

It has.

Ogg posted a link to it today as an example of Tentacle Porn which he had challenged himself to compose. I read it, and my immediate impression was that it was bestiality, that's why I asked if invertebrates were considered beasts for the purposes of this site.

What some people have referred to as bright lines are not so bright.

 

[SimonDoom]

I don't care, but it highlights the rather fuzzy lines drawn on Lit,.

It does, no doubt about.

Personally, I'm glad. I don't want black and white lines around the categories. I think fuzziness is good. If the lines were clearer then the scope of permitted material doubtless would be narrower, and that would be a bad thing. Fuzziness makes it a little less clear for authors -- although I maintain it's not nearly as unclear as some authors make it out to be. But it's good for the Site because it gives more room for the imagination and the exploration of fantasies at the margins.

 

[XerXesXu]

It does, no doubt about.

Personally, I'm glad. I don't want black and white lines around the categories. I think fuzziness is good. If the lines were clearer then the scope of permitted material doubtless would be narrower, and that would be a bad thing. Fuzziness makes it a little less clear for authors -- although I maintain it's not nearly as unclear as some authors make it out to be. But it's good for the Site because it gives more room for the imagination and the exploration of fantasies at the margins.

Am I mistaken. I may be, but I have somehow associated the bright line expression with you.

 

[SimonDoom]

Am I mistaken. I may be, but I have somehow associated the bright line expression with you.

Probably because of my comments on grammar questions. By Literotica standards, I'm on the "Grammar Nazi" end of the spectrum. I'm a big believer that most people will be better writers if they learn, and for the most part follow, standard conventions on English (British English or American English, it doesn't matter) spelling, formatting, diction, and grammar. I cringe at slopping writing and I cringe when people say it's OK.

But I'm not that way at all when it comes to content guidelines. If it were up to me, there would be minimal content restrictions. Almost nothing squicks me, and unlike some, I see no harm in letting people publish stories here about really twisted stuff. But I don't make up the rules, and I'm fine with whatever they are, and if some stories slip by the censor I see no harm in that. To me, it just doesn't matter.

 

[XerXesXu]

Probably because of my comments on grammar questions. By Literotica standards, I'm on the "Grammar Nazi" end of the spectrum. I'm a big believer that most people will be better writers if they learn, and for the most part follow, standard conventions on English (British English or American English, it doesn't matter) spelling, formatting, diction, and grammar. I cringe at slopping writing and I cringe when people say it's OK.

But I'm not that way at all when it comes to content guidelines. If it were up to me, there would be minimal content restrictions. Almost nothing squicks me, and unlike some, I see no harm in letting people publish stories here about really twisted stuff. But I don't make up the rules, and I'm fine with whatever they are, and if some stories slip by the censor I see no harm in that. To me, it just doesn't matter.

I've probably made a mistake, it must be someone else.

To get the twisted stuff past the censors you need to know how to bring that which would otherwise fall without the rules, within the rules. I believe that can be done, because I do not believe the censor is arbitrary, as some suggest, I believe she is experienced and seeks to be consistent, though one must allow some error may occur. I believe some people may find an examination of the way the rules have been applied, and how topics have been brought within the rules, may help them become confident that their submissions will be published.

 

[SimonDoom]

To get the twisted stuff past the censors you need to know how to bring that which would otherwise fall without the rules, within the rules. I believe that can be done, because I do not believe the censor is arbitrary, as some suggest, I believe she is experienced and seeks to be consistent, though one must allow some error may occur. I believe some people may find an examination of the way the rules have been applied, and how topics have been brought within the rules, may help them become confident that their submissions will be published.

I don't believe she's arbitrary, either. She's a one-woman shop (on content issues, anyway). She does what she can. I have no complaints. Her judgments invariably will differ from those of some others on questions like, When is it a squid and when is it a mythical creature? My view is that when you're asking yourself questions like that sometimes you have to step back and think about the sheer nuttiness of the question and realize that no possible bad consequence can ensue from deciding one way or the other.

Look at it this way, too: Literotica would be a poorer place if some of those squid stories got tossed. That's how I see it.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Mmm... pushing my boundaries. I have done that once and won't do it again.

There are many categories that I will not write in.

I do write Sci-fi, but I don't write Fantasy.

I do write Incest/Taboo but not Father/Daughter.

I don't do Gay Male, although I will write Bi-female.

Others I tend to stay away from, Erotic Horror, the reason is I don't find any Horror stories or movies scary. Real life is scary, pretend shit isn't. And don't come to my door to try and scare me, you might just get shot and that's scary.

As for the other categories, I might have thought about writing something for them and might even have posted some works in them.

I do write very graphic sex scenes. Isn't that what what the people want. Other times I don't write any sex scenes as the story doesn't call for them. Yes, readers complain, but they did get what they paid for.

And yes, I write mostly in the Loving Wives category. I find it easy to write for and I'll let you in on a little secret, my wife has never been a hotwife or a cheating wife.

I also find it easy to write incest, Mom/Son, Brother/Sister, Brother/Sister/Mom. Dad never get to participate in fact dad it oblivious to the shenanigans going on in his house. Although, in some Mom/Son stories dad does know yet has no interest to join in or even watch and always finds a reason to be gone.

As for other categories I haven't mentioned, I may have thought about them, yet so far nothing has come to mind. I'll just continue to do what I do, when I want to do it, until I die.