Protect the Sanctity of Marriage...Ha.

[arienette]

Ronald Reagan - divorced the mother of two of his children to marry Nancy Reagan, who bore him a daughter only 7 months after the marriage.

Bob Dole - divorced the mother of his child, who had nursed him through the long recovery from his war wounds.

Newt Gingrich - divorced his wife who was dying of cancer.

Dick Armey - House Majority Leader - divorced

Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas - divorced

Gov. John Engler of Michigan - divorced

Gov. Pete Wilson of California - divorced

George Will - divorced

Sen. Lauch Faircloth - divorced

Rush Limbaugh - Rush and his current wife Marta have six marriages and four divorces between them.

Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia - Barr, not yet 50 years old, has been married three times. Barr had the audacity to author and push the "Defense of Marriage Act." The current joke making the rounds on Capitol Hill is "Bob Barr...WHICH marriage are you defending?!?

Sen. Alfonse D'Amato of New York - divorced

Sen. John Warner of Virginia - divorced (once married to Liz Taylor.)

Gov. George Allen of Virginia - divorced

Henry Kissinger - divorced

Rep. Helen Chenoweth of Idaho - divorced

Sen. John McCain of Arizonia - divorced

Rep. John Kasich of Ohio - divorced

Rep. Susan Molinari of New York - Republican National Convention Keynote Speaker - divorced

So ... homosexuals are going to destroy the institution of marriage? Wait a minute, it seems the Christian Heterosexual Republicans are doing a fine job without anyone's help!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well, I don't condemn people for getting divorced, but I do think that they should be as understanding of other people's lifestyles as others are of theirs.

 

[zeb1094]

Yeah, but they were married to the oposite sex before their divorce! Now the question begs, "Have any of them remarried?"

And with 5 or so marriages I would say that's supporting marriage, wouldn't you?

 

[Recidiva]

The guy I like is Huckabee, who supports covenant marriage. I think that's a great idea.

You want an extra-specialer marriage than those "heathen", then that's fine, make one.

Let everyone else have the "regular" marriage.

 

[Guest]

Brace yourself. I'm having a soapbox moment.

[soapbox]
Everything seems tangled up with that word "Marriage" and with the RELIGIOUS connotations.

I want to know why our government is involved in something religious? All the government is doing really is registering people for purposes of taxation, inheritence, property, and benefits -- money and property, in short.

Get government out of the religion business. If Marriage is a Holy thing, then it should not be being handed out by civil servants! Does our government really care who is and isn't sanctioned by God to live together and have sex? If it does, there's a problem.

Although I don't put it past Bush one inch.

If all our government is really supposed to be concerned with is the money/property angle, then the gender of the people being so registered is meaningless. Give Marriage back to the religious, and just stick to what government is supposed to do -- unless this somehow turned into a theocracy when we weren't looking. Those who wish to sanctify their union under the belief system of their choice may do as they desire, and if particular belief systems don't want to sancify certain combinations, they are entirely within their rights.



[/soapbox]

 

[matriarch]

Well, I don't condemn people for getting divorced, but I do think that they should be as understanding of other people's lifestyles as others are of theirs.

Exactly.
Especially when some of those 'alternate lifestyle' marriages last longer than their own straight ones.

Something the authorities don't seem to want to think about or face are the rising figures of:
single men and women who have stayed single out of choice,
single women who want and have children, without the presence of a partner
married straight couples who have no children - by choice.

The only figures I could find on a brief sojourn are taken from the 1998 census

53% of the households in USA were headed by married couples.
25.5% of the households consisted of 1 person, 32% consisted of 2.
12.4% were female-headed households
3.8% were male headed households
30.2% were non-family households.

How do they fit into the picture of the stability of marriage and the family??

Hmmmmmmm?????

 

[zeb1094]

Brace yourself. I'm having a soapbox moment.

[soapbox]
Everything seems tangled up with that word "Marriage" and with the RELIGIOUS connotations.

I want to know why our government is involved in something religious? All the government is doing really is registering people for purposes of taxation, inheritence, property, and benefits -- money and property, in short.

Get government out of the religion business. If Marriage is a Holy thing, then it should not be being handed out by civil servants! Does our government really care who is and isn't sanctioned by God to live together and have sex? If it does, there's a problem.

Although I don't put it past Bush one inch.

If all our government is really supposed to be concerned with is the money/property angle, then the gender of the people being so registered is meaningless. Give Marriage back to the religious, and just stick to what government is supposed to do -- unless this somehow turned into a theocracy when we weren't looking. Those who wish to sanctify their union under the belief system of their choice may do as they desire, and if particular belief systems don't want to sancify certain combinations, they are entirely within their rights.



[/soapbox]

The Republicans do and the Democrats don't.

Conservative Republicans have always tried to get Religion legislated. Where the Democrats just care if you can vote for them or not.

 

[zeb1094]

Exactly.
Especially when some of those 'alternate lifestyle' marriages last longer than their own straight ones.

Something the authorities don't seem to want to think about or face are the rising figures of:
single men and women who have stayed single out of choice,
single women who want and have children, without the presence of a partner
married straight couples who have no children - by choice.

The only figures I could find on a brief sojourn are taken from the 1998 census

53% of the households in USA were headed by married couples.
25.5% of the households consisted of 1 person, 32% consisted of 2.
12.4% were female-headed households
3.8% were male headed households
30.2% were non-family households.

How do they fit into the picture of the stability of marriage and the family??

Hmmmmmmm?????

These marriage hacks don't care how long it lasts, just if it is right in their eyes. Common sense doesn't even seem to be in their vocabulary, just rightous indignation that you aren't normal like them.

 

[matriarch]

Brace yourself. I'm having a soapbox moment.

[soapbox]
Everything seems tangled up with that word "Marriage" and with the RELIGIOUS connotations.

I want to know why our government is involved in something religious? All the government is doing really is registering people for purposes of taxation, inheritence, property, and benefits -- money and property, in short.

Get government out of the religion business. If Marriage is a Holy thing, then it should not be being handed out by civil servants! Does our government really care who is and isn't sanctioned by God to live together and have sex? If it does, there's a problem.

Although I don't put it past Bush one inch.

If all our government is really supposed to be concerned with is the money/property angle, then the gender of the people being so registered is meaningless. Give Marriage back to the religious, and just stick to what government is supposed to do -- unless this somehow turned into a theocracy when we weren't looking. Those who wish to sanctify their union under the belief system of their choice may do as they desire, and if particular belief systems don't want to sancify certain combinations, they are entirely within their rights.



[/soapbox]

The one stipulation that is made with any civil marriage in UK, whether it be straight or gay, is that absolutely no mention can be made of religion or god. It's a CIVIL union, legal in the eyes of the state and the law. It has nothing to do with religious beliefs.

Thank heavens for that!!

The gosling and I on the last trip to the UK, paid a visit to the local registrar, to discuss our future, and she was a dedlightful, friendly, humorous and understanding woman. All that is required of the procedure is simply to sign the forms legalising the union, but they understand that for a lot of gay couples this is an unbelievable thing to happen to them, and they are quite happy for it to be made into a ceremony. They provided us with leaflets and brochures, and even suggested wording for ceremonies, if we didn't want to write our own. We toured the 'marriage room', to see if we wanted to use it, or choose one of the many venues in the immediate area that are licensed to hold weddings. All in all, a refreshingly upbeat meeting. We came away from that two very happy people.

 

[CharleyH]

Yeah, but they were married to the oposite sex before their divorce! Now the question begs, "Have any of them remarried?"

And with 5 or so marriages I would say that's supporting marriage, would you?

After that many marriages one would think a partner is gay or into BDSM and will soon have a sixth marriage, wouldn't you think that as the potential sixth partner ?

 

[impressive]

Brace yourself. I'm having a soapbox moment.

[soapbox]
Everything seems tangled up with that word "Marriage" and with the RELIGIOUS connotations.

I want to know why our government is involved in something religious? All the government is doing really is registering people for purposes of taxation, inheritence, property, and benefits -- money and property, in short.

Get government out of the religion business. If Marriage is a Holy thing, then it should not be being handed out by civil servants! Does our government really care who is and isn't sanctioned by God to live together and have sex? If it does, there's a problem.

Although I don't put it past Bush one inch.

If all our government is really supposed to be concerned with is the money/property angle, then the gender of the people being so registered is meaningless. Give Marriage back to the religious, and just stick to what government is supposed to do -- unless this somehow turned into a theocracy when we weren't looking. Those who wish to sanctify their union under the belief system of their choice may do as they desire, and if particular belief systems don't want to sancify certain combinations, they are entirely within their rights.



[/soapbox]

Hey, that's MY rant!

Truer words ...

 

[zeb1094]

After that many marriages one would think a partner is gay or into BDSM and will soon have a sixth marriage, wouldn't you think that as the potential sixth partner ?

No, I have been happily married to the same woman for 36 years, although she was divorced when we met, I don't hold that against her as she was a battered spouse and had the fortitude to leave his ass.

 

[NoJo]

Your husband being named "Lauch Faircloth" is pretty good grounds for divorce as far as I'm concerned.

 

[kendo1]

The current Mrs. Kendo is a wonderful person.
The only Mrs Kendo!

People change.
There are quite a few divorcees and gay couples on the AH.
As ever: each to their own.

It used to be frowned upon to get divorced, but why live with someone you have grown to dislike or even hate.

Ken

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I'm against marriage between ANY gender. Marriage tends to make people (especially men, I think) think they're "home safe", whereas knowing that your partner can pack up and leave in 20 minutes keeps you alert to each others' wants and needs.

I'm divorced, and I don't want to get married again. I want to live together with a man, I want us to have children together, but I don't want to get married.

I much rather be a whole person living together with a whole person, rather than just one part of a whole couple.

I'd love to see the institution of marriage replaced by a more modern and sensible thing - something both heteros and gays/lesbians/bis/trannies/whathaveyous, can have and feel good about.

 

[kendo1]

Speak for yourself, flicka.

I don't agree.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Speak for yourself, flicka.

Don't I always?

 

[NoJo]

Don't I always?

Little-konwn fact: Sanctity is french for "Five Breasts"

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Just as "Marriage" is a name for a disease that only occur to female horses. It's actually pronounced "mare-itch".

 

[SeaCat]

Ronald Reagan - divorced the mother of two of his children to marry Nancy Reagan, who bore him a daughter only 7 months after the marriage.

Bob Dole - divorced the mother of his child, who had nursed him through the long recovery from his war wounds.

Newt Gingrich - divorced his wife who was dying of cancer.

Dick Armey - House Majority Leader - divorced

Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas - divorced

Gov. John Engler of Michigan - divorced

Gov. Pete Wilson of California - divorced

George Will - divorced

Sen. Lauch Faircloth - divorced

Rush Limbaugh - Rush and his current wife Marta have six marriages and four divorces between them.

Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia - Barr, not yet 50 years old, has been married three times. Barr had the audacity to author and push the "Defense of Marriage Act." The current joke making the rounds on Capitol Hill is "Bob Barr...WHICH marriage are you defending?!?

Sen. Alfonse D'Amato of New York - divorced

Sen. John Warner of Virginia - divorced (once married to Liz Taylor.)

Gov. George Allen of Virginia - divorced

Henry Kissinger - divorced

Rep. Helen Chenoweth of Idaho - divorced

Sen. John McCain of Arizonia - divorced

Rep. John Kasich of Ohio - divorced

Rep. Susan Molinari of New York - Republican National Convention Keynote Speaker - divorced

So ... homosexuals are going to destroy the institution of marriage? Wait a minute, it seems the Christian Heterosexual Republicans are doing a fine job without anyone's help!

Arrienette,

Do you honestly believe that common sense or logic has any place in American Government?

Cat

 

[matriarch]

Arrienette,

Do you honestly believe that common sense or logic has any place in American Government?

Cat

You can scrub out 'American' in that question, and it pretty well sums up the whole world.

 

[SeaCat]

You can scrub out 'American' in that question, and it pretty well sums up the whole world.

Hiya Mat.

You do know I was trying, for once, to be nice don't you?

Cat

 

[australwind]

You can scrub out 'American' in that question, and it pretty well sums up the whole world.

You're right there.....

Here in Oz we have a Federal Government who thinks they have the right to trample over the elected state and territory governments and prevent laws from being enacted by going to the Governor General and telling him not to approve the legislation.

There's nothing in that type of action that reflects the will of the people.

The legislation in question?

Legalisation of Civil Unions for Gay couples.

 

[3113]

Here in Oz we have a Federal Government who thinks they have the right to trample over the elected state and territory governments.

Does that include the Munchkins? And what about the Witch of the West? I kinda think she should be allowed to run her kingdom as she sees fit but others feel threatened by it....

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

 

[CharleyH]

No, I have been happily married to the same woman for 36 years, although she was divorced when we met, I don't hold that against her as she was a battered spouse and had the fortitude to leave his ass.

Cool. , although your statements are odd: "I dont hold it against her"? Wow- you are a prize for her after that situation, I am sure.