Progressive Democrat Policies as explained by Frank Herbert

[SpeareChucker]

Children of Dune

First guiding principle: When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is in accordance to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
(Louie Veuillot)

This explains a lot of their actions from wailing about the plight of the poor, income inequality and the flood of undocumented citizens illegally crossing our border for opportunity. They fight for the freedom of these oppressed subsets of our culture/society.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Unintended consequence of the first principle:

Past Civilizations without number have foundered on the rocks of equal justice. Such foolishness destroys the natural hierarchies which are far more important.Any individual takes on significance only in his relationship to your total society. Unless that society be ordered in logical steps, no one can find a place in it - not the lowliest or the highest.
(Frank Herbert, Baron Harkonnen)





Tax the rich! Elevate the poor!
Don't give them the opportunity to learn to fish, give them free fish!

 

[SpeareChucker]

Second Principle: Control the use and definitions of language:

In all major socializing forces you will find an underlying movement to gain and maintain power through the use of words. From witch doctor to priest to bureaucrat it is all the same. A governed populace must be conditioned to accept power-words as actual things, to confuse the symbolized system with the tangible universe. In the maintenance of such a power structure, certain symbols are kept out of the reach of common understanding - symbols such as those dealing with economic manipulation or those which define the local interpretation of sanity. Symbol secrecy of this form leads to the development of fragmented sub-languages, each being a signal that its users are accumulating some form of power.
(Frank Herbert)


If you disagree, you are a deplorable racist who believes in trickle-down economics...

 

[SpeareChucker]

Good government never depends on laws, but upon the personal qualities of those who govern. The machinery of government is always subordinate to the will of those who administer that machinery. The most important element of government, therefore, is the method of choosing leaders.
(Frank Herbert)


So, when we see the support of corrupt politicians (Hint: Hillary Clinton) we see the will of those whom elevate such politicians; people willing to lie about their ethnicity for gain.

 

[SpeareChucker]

The final goal of the Progressives is to create for themselves, the status of ruling elite.

Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly towards aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act in the interests of the ruling class - whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.
(Frank Herbert)


[Bold part by me.]

 

[bellisarius]

I think you meant "equal outcome" didn't you?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Actually no, the desire is for better sub-group outcomes; think reparations...

 

[SpeareChucker]

I mean, who tries to grab power just to be "equal?"

 

[bellisarius]

I mean, who tries to grab power just to be "equal?"

Understood. But there is what the "leaders" of a movement are trying to achieve, power, and the bill of goods they're selling to get there, equality.

 

[SpeareChucker]

No doubt, see control of the language above.




They have their double super-secret definition of what they mean by equality.
They also spend a lot of language of normalizing all sorts of insanity
such as homelessness, sexual identification and Antifa...

 

[Adre]

There is nothing about any of this that is exclusive to Democrats. Whether it be corrupt politicians or the accumulation of power. Your particular and well known bias is the main thing at play here. I’m sure American Thinker could word this as artfully as you.

 

[Adre]

The final goal of the Progressives is to create for themselves, the status of ruling elite.

Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly towards aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act in the interests of the ruling class - whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.
(Frank Herbert)


[Bold part by me.]

So Mitch McConnell’s a Progressive now?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Adre
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Progressive tool.

 

[bellisarius]

No doubt, see control of the language above.




They have their double super-secret definition of what they mean by equality.
They also spend a lot of language of normalizing all sorts of insanity
such as homelessness, sexual identification and Antifa...

The "Big Tent" principle. They can always purge the tent after taking power.

 

[SpeareChucker]

They will as described in We, the Living...

 

[Adre]

The "Big Tent" principle. They can always purge the tent after taking power.

Which Trump has done very successfully...so far. 2018 dented their plans considerably.

 

[von_Bismarck]

Oh, is this another thread where AJ and Ishmael pretend they're intellectuals, and stroke each other's ego?

 

[Adre]

Oh, is this another thread where AJ and Ishmael pretend they're intellectuals, and stroke each other's ego?

As well as call you names if you have the temerity to question either their premise or assertions.

 

[icanhelp1]

Unintended consequence of the first principle:

Past Civilizations without number have foundered on the rocks of equal justice. Such foolishness destroys the natural hierarchies which are far more important.Any individual takes on significance only in his relationship to your total society. Unless that society be ordered in logical steps, no one can find a place in it - not the lowliest or the highest.
(Frak Herbert, Baron Harkonnen)





Tax the rich! Elevate the poor!
Don't give them the opportunity to learn to fish, give them free fish!

Don't you mean tax the rich and the rich get poor, and the poor get poorer.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Second Principle: Control the use and definitions of language:

In all major socializing forces you will find an underlying movement to gain and maintain power through the use of words. From witch doctor to priest to bureaucrat it is all the same. A governed populace must be conditioned to accept power-words as actual things, to confuse the symbolized system with the tangible universe. In the maintenance of such a power structure, certain symbols are kept out of the reach of common understanding - symbols such as those dealing with economic manipulation or those which define the local interpretation of sanity. Symbol secrecy of this form leads to the development of fragmented sub-languages, each being a signal that its users are accumulating some form of power.
(Frank Herbert)


If you disagree, you are a deplorable racist who believes in trickle-down economics...

Languages built up to reflect specializations in a way of life. Each specialization may be recognized by its words, by its assumptions and sentence structures. Look for stoppages. Specializations represent places where life is being stopped, where the movement is being dammed up and frozen.
(Frank Herbert)

The Progressive dialog has become frozen, locked up negatives, telling us who and what they hate stuck on words like oppression, inequality, racist, fascist, Nazi, white nationalism. What are they for? Liberty. Liberty for who? The oppressed, the discriminated, the profiled, the imprisoned, the concentration camp resident, anyone not white...

 

[SpeareChucker]

Don't you mean tax the rich and the rich get poor, and the poor get poorer.

The modern Progressive (/socialist) seems very dead set against the accumulation of wealth for everyone but themselves...

Take Bernie's three homes, for example. PLEASE!

Give them to some newly arrived undocumented citizens.

 

[bellisarius]

Don't forget "Hate". They use that word - a lot.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Don't forget "Hate". They use that word - a lot.

You trying to trigger the usual suspects with that little hate speech?

 

[bellisarius]

Don't need to, they hear dog whistles in their sleep.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Herbert wasn't exactly a fan of government in general. To quote him as an example against only side is stupid. He disliked all of them.
But since you brought it up anyway...

All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.

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