Pro-Lifers: you're doing it wrong.

[LJ_Reloaded]

If your reason for being pro-life was to protect the baby and not wage war on women, this study would be a flat out lie on its face.

Unfortunately it's not.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24245932/

Abstract
In the United States, pro-choice supporters contend that the desire of pro-life supporters to protect the life of the fetus ends at birth and that thereafter they ignore the health and well-being of infants and children. This study examines the question of whether infants and children fare better in U.S. states that have the most restrictive abortion laws. Eighteen indicators of infant/child health, family, economic, and educational status are analyzed. The empirical evidence finds that states with the most antiabortion policies are also the same states that have significantly lower indicators of infant/child well-being. This supports the contention by pro-choice supporters that efforts by pro-life supporters to protect the life of the fetus end at birth.

 

[stickygirl]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/f696b33c7251d5613f3d4f072844d454/tumblr_mhw3xekaPc1rlzfo2o1_500.png
not these ones by any chance?

 

[subdued_passion]

I know a lot of pro-lifers hold on to the belief that the woman will form a bond with the child upon birth and her maternal instincts will ensure that the child will be looked after.

A lot of people just don't get that not every woman is meant to be a mother.

 

[stickygirl]

I know a lot of pro-lifers hold on to the belief that the woman will form a bond with the child upon birth and her maternal instincts will ensure that the child will be looked after.

A lot of people just don't get that not every woman is meant to be a mother.

I used to think that too until I saw my cousin with her first-born, heard her feeding him in the night and came to realise the bond starts long before birth: birth is just a confirmation of that bond, not a fairy-dust, but I know Jack-shit.

The problem is people have become so disconnected with nature: nature is brutal. Animals kill to feed their young because they have no choice, but we do. We also have a choice about whether to carry a baby to term and I don't believe any woman who has a termination is under any illusion how brutal nature is and how the nightmares will continue to haunt her. Pro-lifers are living in a make-believe Nirvana woven by perverted religion and caustic do-gooders.

 

[Phsubset]

Excellent find. I don't think a lot of pro-lifers think from a logical/non-religious standpoint.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

There isn't a state of well-being that's any lower than dead.

 

[subdued_passion]

There isn't a state of well-being that's any lower than dead.

No, the dead just aren't there anymore. We have no proof on their state of well being in the afterlife.

The living on the other hand will most likely bear a great deal of suffering.

Excellent find. I don't think a lot of pro-lifers think from a logical/non-religious standpoint.

It's not all religious nonsense. I am a staunch supporter of pro-choice. I believe that a woman should always have the final say on what happens to her body but I have never been able to advocate an abortion because I cannot think of it as anything other than killing a life (of course that is not the way I'd put it to a woman considering making that decision).

 

[Magnetron]

The Choice Is Yours

You have choice
You have a right
You have a voice
Ignore the signs

Disregard the tunnel visionaries
Who can only conjure rhetoric
Incapable of utilizing their own God given minds

You will be condemned by the holier than thou
You will be spit upon by the self righteous
And you will be made an example in a world overpopulated
Where unloved children are lost among us
And empty stomachs are ample

To embrace their Jesus is but a one way ticket
To the emaciation of intellect
And giving yourself to the glory of their God
The erosion of your soul

Mind control

Salvation forsaking self respect
Is for those who know not but themselves as evil and wicked
Forming the gauntlet out in front of clinics
Seeking redemption in retaliation to eternal reprisal

All the while common sense is picketed

Ignore the signs
You have a voice
You have a right
You have a choice

 

[Magnetron]

Abort The Missionaries

ABORT
Stop the madness
ABORT
Bite your tongue
ABORT
Shut your mouth
ABORT

For murdered children your heart bleeds
Revise the Text, rewrite history
To suit your own selfish needs
Distract attention from your own misdeeds

DISTORT
The Truth while you just ignore the Facts
Your narrow darkened tunnel vision lacks
God slays people every single day
And we brush it off as Nature's Way
Newborns in wombs liquidated
In gruesome deaths, annihilated
Anticipated by the Omniscient
Receptacle of a soul that was Heaven sent?

Science declares awareness, intelligence
That conception equals consciousness
Cry foul, decry abortion as injustice
But miscarriage, you dance around this
What the hell? What's the difference?
Your argument doesn't make any sense
Life is what people miraculously create
Unless they choose to masturbate?

Wait, hold up, it even get's better
You cite the Word right down to the letter
Yet nowhere in the Bible is it said
How many fetuses end up clinnically dead
Devoured, destined to be a parasite
Without a physical brain in sight
Discovered years later, killing the host
Living in the twin God loved the most?

You protect the child's right to live
With an argument not unlike a seive
Unqualified, not even a parent
Not too mention, you're so transparent
The motivation behind it all
Jesus knocking, the house call
Afraid you'll be overlooked in the Rapture
Which is what you are really after

Saving your own skin

ABORT
Heaven can wait
ABORT
For all you dishonest rats
ABORT
You selfish bastards
ABORT
See you in Hell

ABORT

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

No, the dead just aren't there anymore. We have no proof on their state of well being in the afterlife.

The living on the other hand will most likely bear a great deal of suffering.




It's not all religious nonsense. I am a staunch supporter of pro-choice. I believe that a woman should always have the final say on what happens to her body but I have never been able to advocate an abortion because I cannot think of it as anything other than killing a life (of course that is not the way I'd put it to a woman considering making that decision).

Dead trumps suffering on the negative end of the quality of life scale every time. Heroin and orgasm would be on the far end.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Excellent find. I don't think a lot of pro-lifers think from a logical/non-religious standpoint.

Half of women polled out there don't support abortion on demand even with "pro-lifers" being as stupid as they are. If they weren't a bunch of rancid hypocrites and were instead popularly characterized as leftists - protesting against welfare cuts and fighting for European-style paid parental leave, cheap contraception, and ending pointless wars abroad - the "pro-choice" movement would have totally imploded by now.

Pro-deathers* should have been stomped into political oblivion the minute, the second they failed to bat an eyelash at pictures of civilians killed by war, but then raised holy raining shit skittles at pictures of aborted fetuses. But noooo, the pro-lifers showed their asses by turning their backs on civilians killed by war. You bet your ass that hypocrisy saved the pro-choice movement. And... no funding of contraception? Are you kidding me? Oh big evil government making you pay for contraception pffffft, just ask Texas how things went when they cut funding for that: they wound up having to pay for welfare babies instead. Pro-life my ass.

Pro-choice is nothing more than "I got out of the womb alive, so fuck the rest of you" at its most basic, and the pro-lifers have signed onto the "you're born, now you're on your own" bullshit. One is pro-abortion*: the other is anti fucking choice. One judges humans by whether they're wanted: the other side just wants to pass more restrictions on women. All of them are shitwhistle hypocrites.

I'm not rooting for anyone in this debate until a new leftist pro-life movement achieves viability. And I don't see that happening in my lifetime, with everyone cowering in their prepackaged ideology hell: pro-choicers hypocritically run to the left to hang out with the misandrist feminists while shitting all over the concept of human rights at its foundation, while pro-lifers huddle up at the bottom of their own outdated traditional gender role enforcing, Corporate Statist, kill-the-brown-people-and-gawd-bless-uhMurrrrrica septic tank.

* Pro-choice? Really? And what if the embryo can be grown outside the womb? "Pro-choice" advocates will want them dead anyway - grind 'em up for stem cell transplants and embryo/fetal experimentation. Yet PETA is out there dumping bricks out of their asses over doing this to mice. Pro-choice my ass. That's pro-death. Not seeing how that's appreciably different than "pro-lifers", though.

 

[subdued_passion]

The Choice Is Yours

You have choice
You have a right
You have a voice
Ignore the signs

Disregard the tunnel visionaries
Who can only conjure rhetoric
Incapable of utilizing their own God given minds

You will be condemned by the holier than thou
You will be spit upon by the self righteous
And you will be made an example in a world overpopulated
Where unloved children are lost among us
And empty stomachs are ample

To embrace their Jesus is but a one way ticket
To the emaciation of intellect
And giving yourself to the glory of their God
The erosion of your soul

Mind control

Salvation forsaking self respect
Is for those who know not but themselves as evil and wicked
Forming the gauntlet out in front of clinics
Seeking redemption in retaliation to eternal reprisal

All the while common sense is picketed

Ignore the signs
You have a voice
You have a right
You have a choice

Such an evocative line- the choice of an empty womb over an empty belly.

 

[Magnetron]

Such an evocative line- the choice of an empty womb over an empty belly.

Pro-Lifers should be lining up outside of fertilization clinics instead.

Because thousands of dollars spent trying to bring an extra baby into the world makes sense.

 

[subdued_passion]

Pro-Lifers should be lining up outside of fertilization clinics instead.

Because thousands of dollars spent trying to bring an extra baby into the world makes sense.

You want to fight someone the right to preserving their own individual genetic heritage?

I don't even know where to start...

 

[subdued_passion]

* Pro-choice? Really? And what if the embryo can be grown outside the womb? "Pro-choice" advocates will want them dead anyway - grind 'em up for stem cell transplants and embryo/fetal experimentation. Yet PETA is out there dumping bricks out of their asses over doing this to mice. Pro-choice my ass. That's pro-death. Not seeing how that's appreciably different than "pro-lifers", though.

Are you talking about surrogacy?

I may be wrong but as far as I know surrogates usually have legal contracts with the 'parent(s)' and as such cannot decide on the fate of the embryo placed within her womb since her womb has been 'hired'.

 

[Magnetron]

You want to fight someone the right to preserving their own individual genetic heritage?

I don't even know where to start...

Harrassing people outside of an abortion clinic should be no different from harrassing people outside of a fertilization clinic. The end result is saving a child's life. Yet the latter isn't happening. That's what I'm saying.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Are you talking about surrogacy?

I may be wrong but as far as I know surrogates usually have legal contracts with the 'parent(s)' and as such cannot decide on the fate of the embryo placed within her womb since her womb has been 'hired'.

No, I am talking about embryonic/fetal experimentation and also stem cell transplants.

Even if we had the ability to grow them outside of the womb, we would still declare them non-persons because there is a thriving industry for harvesting fetuses and embryos, especially embryos, for testing and stem cell transplants.

Even if we could grow them outside the womb, if we passed laws to save them there would be armies of angry women out there screaming misogyny and oppression and they'd also have mad scientists and profitmongering pharmaceutical corporations backing them up on TV. Saving those embryos would be likened to setting us back 1,000 years to the medical stone age: they'd say saving the embryos is just the first step toward going back to curing AIDS with virgins, chiseling holes into the skull, voodoo medicine men, and all other sorts of post-apocalyptic technological regression scare stories. Oh and of course we got too many people already so we need to punish the embryos with death for that. Fucking embryo vermin (<-- sarcasm).

The thing with pro-lifers is they wait until the embryos have time to catch some oxygen before they throw them into the Hunger Games or bomb them for squatting on foreign natural resources that uhMurrrrrrica owns because we're uhMurrrrricans.

 

[subdued_passion]

Harrassing people outside of an abortion clinic should be no different from harrassing people outside of a fertilization clinic. The end result is saving a child's life. Yet the latter isn't happening. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, there's a reason for that- please refer to the previous post addressed to you. And now contemplate the nature of man (don't get worked up LJ, I'm referring to human beings and not just the male of the species).

 

[subdued_passion]

No, I am talking about embryonic/fetal experimentation and also stem cell transplants.

Even if we had the ability to grow them outside of the womb, we would still declare them non-persons because there is a thriving industry for harvesting fetuses and embryos, especially embryos, for testing and stem cell transplants.

Even if we could grow them outside the womb, if we passed laws to save them there would be armies of angry women out there screaming misogyny and oppression and they'd also have mad scientists and profitmongering pharmaceutical corporations backing them up on TV. Saving those embryos would be likened to setting us back 1,000 years to the medical stone age: they'd say saving the embryos is just the first step toward going back to curing AIDS with virgins, chiseling holes into the skull, voodoo medicine men, and all other sorts of post-apocalyptic technological regression scare stories. Oh and of course we got too many people already so we need to punish the embryos with death for that. Fucking embryo vermin (<-- sarcasm).

The thing with pro-lifers is they wait until the embryos have time to catch some oxygen before they throw them into the Hunger Games or bomb them for squatting on foreign natural resources that uhMurrrrrrica owns because we're uhMurrrrricans.

I don't know how to address this because I can't discern fact from fiction.

 

[Magnetron]

I don't know how to address this because I can't discern fact from fiction.

That is the nature of man in a nutshell;

becoming lost in the artificial realities he creates for himself and reacting to these as if they were forced upon him.