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After conservative student Nava '09 penned this he reported receiving threats, emails to 'shut up,' and later reported being beaten by two men in black, near campus.

Princeton's latex lies

By Francisco Nava '09
Guest Columnist

This week at Princeton's annual health fair "Cirque de Sante," students found a colorful bazaar of low-fat foods, posture and dental screenings, Frisbees and lines of nurses administering the year's coveted flu shot. One undergraduate summed it up simply: "There's nothing here but good medicine in good supply."

If only that were true.

Something else was in good supply this week that might not be the best medicine for today's college students: condoms. Yes, buckets of them. Like candy, placed side-by-side with piles of Hershey's chocolate, latex condoms were there for the taking. It was a modern Don Juan's supply store. Students who missed out on this week's handouts of LifeStyles can find free stockpiles in the McCosh Health Center year-round. After business hours? No problem. Visit the nearest RCA in your dorm or director of student life for a late-night run. In some dormitory corridors, you can even find "rubbers on the wall" for convenience.

McCosh's condom campaign seems justifiable in today's "hookup culture" at Princeton. "Hooking up" is parlance for a motley of sexual behaviors that occur spontaneously and without promise of an ensuing relationship. These acts include passionate kissing, heavy petting of genitals, giving and receiving of oral sex, and intercourse. Anyone who doubts that casual sex here is as much a tradition as singing "Old Nassau" should read the senior thesis of psychology major Marcelline Baumann '07 available at the University Archives. In a survey of 1,210 heterosexual undergraduates at Princeton last year, Baumann observed that 64 percent of male and 66.2 percent of female respondents reported that they hooked up at least once while at college, with some reporting as many as 65 encounters in one year. What's more, the data show that students have more and more anonymous sex during their freshman year through graduation.

One does not need a degree in public health to see the infectious threat posed by Princeton's hookup culture. The dorms and Prospect Avenue can be thoroughfares for sexually transmitted infections, or STIs. So why aren't condoms good enough? While condoms protect both sexes from the transmission of most STIs (there are some frightening exceptions), they cannot protect women from the psychological fallout of casual sex. Dr. Miriam Grossman, a college psychiatrist at UCLA, is author of "Unprotected: A Campus Psychiatrist Reveals How Political Correctness in Her Profession Endangers Every Student." Dr. Grossman reports that intimate contact stimulates a female to "bond" with her mate through a well-known hormone called oxytocin. Neuroscientists have proven that oxytocin is related to feelings of trust and attachment. Sadly, hookups rarely result in meaningful relationships. The tragedy, then, is that young people, especially females, can suffer psychological anguish from casual sex, while less vulnerable males can move on to their next targets.


That suffering is well documented by Grossman and can undoubtedly be found at Princeton too. Falling GPAs, numerous visits to the counselors, bottle after bottle of antidepressants, alcohol abuse, leaves of absence, self-injurious behavior and suicidal ideation can be some of the many consequences of "safer" sex.

Unfortunately, McCosh's latex-everywhere strategy just won't cut it. How is a collegiate casanova to feel if his own school can stuff his pockets with condoms? It is no wonder, then, that University Health Services (UHS) over the years has had to limit a student's daily allowance to 10 condoms per visit! What Princeton's condom campaign amounts to is a tacit sponsorship of hookup sex that is fundamentally unsafe for females and ethically unconscionable for the doctors and health professionals who promote it.

I wish to take a preemptive strike against criticism of what I am not saying in this column. Firstly, this is not a sermon about the merits of abstinence and chastity; their benefits are plain to see by common sense. Secondly, this is not a call to forsake the condom and other contraceptives as means to properly understood "safe" sex. When couples are involved in deep, supportive and meaningful relationships that are meant to last beyond the orgasm, then the condom makes sense as a health device. It is bad health policy, however, for UHS to wantonly distribute condoms as the best means to "safer" sex. UHS must never forget that it is freely passing out a medical device that gives a false sense of security to sexually active persons.

I end with a respectful invitation. I invite John Kolligian, director of counseling and psychological services, and Janet Finnie '84, director of UHS, to reevaluate the University's sexual health policy and its informational campaigns by creating an investigative committee consisting of Princeton students and medical professionals from on and off campus. With a serious and concentrated effort, the campus can raise even greater awareness about the psychosomatic risks of casual sex.

Now, that is good medicine.

Francisco Nava is politics major from Bedford, Texas. He can be reached at fnava@princeton.edu.
 
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:rolleyes:

I'd laugh if the jerkoff wasn't so deadly serious.

The usual mixture of conflation, tangental data and supposed disinterest that marks so much political discourse these days.

'I'm not ranting ranting at you. I'm not proving an a priori conclusion. I'm simply telling you the truth.' Yeah. Right buddy.

I wonder if this person is one of ami's kids?
 
Man. You have to dig way down to figure out what the hell bothers this fellow. Then you finally see it:

oxytocin is related to feelings of trust and attachment. Sadly, hookups rarely result in meaningful relationships. The tragedy, then, is that young people, especially females, can suffer psychological anguish

He is pretty sure, evidently, that there's a deal of female anguish occurring.

:confused:

Nah, plainly he just disapproves of sport fucking.

The participants themselves surely have their own goals about the issue of whether or not meaningful relationships either follow on or are desired. There would be a wide range of goals and expectations. But he mentions a "hookup culture" over and over. That implies to me that the usual goal is sport fucking.

He should shut up. What the hell is he trying to make happen, exactly? He says, to make the providers of condoms "re-evaluate." Smart. Thanks. Good boy. No go get a life.
 
Students have sex?

What a novel idea.

That's why Oxford and Cambridge disapproved of women students for so long. The local professionals feared for their custom and lobbied the dons.

German universities were complaining in the Middle Ages that students spent too much time chasing women.

Even Chaucer mentioned that students had significant sexual desires.

Personally I would have thought that unprotected sex is more likely to lead to psychological trauma than protected sex or lack of sex.

In the UK advice about contraception, and condoms, can be provided by Family Planning clinics to under-age-of-consent teenagers without their parents being informed. After age 16 the teenagers can have as much sex as they like and parental consent is only required for marriage before age 18.

Og
 
The guy seems like something of a crackpot, but I suppose he means well. Definitely, I would be against threatening him or attacking him for saying foolish things, even though I disagree with him.

I do believe he has a certain point about bonding. I can't say about women, but I have always felt a certain degree of affection, mybe even bonding, toward any woman I ever had sex with. That even includes the most casual of sexual activity, getting a blow job from a hooker in the front seat of my car. I certainly never let it bother me, though, and I certainly never contemplated suicide because I didn't see her again.

Even if his conclusions are correct, so what? This hooking up will happen whether condoms are available or not, and at least the rubbers will prevent other problems. It's bad enough for a young woman to be broken-hearted, without being knocked up and infected with the clap too.

I am assuming that all persons are at least of the age of consent. In NJ, that is 16.
 
Dr. Grossman reports that intimate contact stimulates a female to "bond" with her mate through a well-known hormone called oxytocin. Neuroscientists have proven that oxytocin is related to feelings of trust and attachment. Sadly, hookups rarely result in meaningful relationships. The tragedy, then, is that young people, especially females, can suffer psychological anguish from casual sex, while less vulnerable males can move on to their next targets.

Wow, he manages to use spurious logic to be sexist against men and women at the same time. God, I hope I didn't write like that when I was in college.
 
oxytocin is related to feelings of trust and attachment. Sadly, hookups rarely result in meaningful relationships. The tragedy, then, is that young people, especially females, can suffer psychological anguish
Wow. So that's what all that psychological anguish was about...so....all we need to do is have a long-term hook-up and all will be well?
 
follow up. hard knocks for the cause of chastity

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2007/12/14/news/19744.shtml

WEB UPDATE - DEC. 18
Nava: Faked threats, assault aimed to draw attention to cause
Undergraduate reportedly inflicted injuries on himself by scraping his head against bricks and hitting himself with a bottle


By Ilya Blanter

Princetonian Senior Writer

Francisco Nava '09 said his falsification of threatening emails to prominent campus conservatives and subsequent assault on himself stemmed from a belief that his actions would draw attention to the pro-chastity cause, attendees at a Monday-evening meeting said early Tuesday morning. The gathering included Nava, Butler College administrators and fellow Anscombe Society members.

During the meeting, Nava also reportedly said he was the only person responsible for sending threatening emails to himself, three other Anscombe members and noted conservative politics professor Robert George and had no assistance in fabricating the alleged Friday-evening assault on him. Additionally, he described how he inflicted upon himself the injuries he had claimed resulted from the attack.

"He said he pummeled his face; he didn't say what with. He scraped his head against a brick wall [and] broke the bottle ... over his head," Anscombe president Kevin Staley-Joyce '09 said, referring to a glass Orangina bottle with which Nava had initially said his assailants beat him during the attack. "It certainly was enough to merit treatment by doctors," Staley-Joyce added.

In addition to Staley-Joyce, the 40-minute meeting was attended by the other recipients of the threatening emails — former Anscombe president Sherif Girgis '08, vice president Jonathan Hwang '09 and George — as well as Butler College Dean David Stirk, Master Sanjeev Kulkarni, Dean of Student Life Mindy Andino and Director of Studies Matthew Lazen.

Nava admitted to being "responsible for everything that happened," Staley-Joyce said, adding that Nava "saw Anscombe's ideals as not making enough progress" and wanted to bring more publicity to the group's cause.

"He wanted something big and showy as opposed to the approach that we set out in our mission statement," Staley-Joyce said. The statement describes Anscombe's goals as providing "social support and a voice" for students committed to its ideals and "intellectual engagement" on campus.
 
You know, reading the original posting I got the feeling the guy just wasn't getting laid as often as he thought he should. A bit of the sour grapes if you will.

(Damn these other guys are getting laid almost every day and I'm not getting any. This just isn't right. I'll have to stop this.)

Cat
 
Well...I know I should not touch this thread, even with someone else's ten foot pole...but the smug, arrogant, self righteous bleating of the 'usual suspects', needs a foil and a counterpoint to their sermon.

Twentieth century sexual enlightenment seems to have no boundaries in the eyes of the lascivious left who continue to promote mindless promiscuity at all ages.

While a great deal of long overdue progress was made following about 1950, with the advent of contraceptive chemicals and the long sought feminine revolution that challenged centuries of subjugation; one might rationally question if any limitations exist within the framework of this brave new sexual world.

If you read and understood the article and the previous comments on this thread, you will note how aghast the 'usual suspects' become and how they herd together to bleat at anyone, anywhere, who challenges the secular progressive agenda that continues to assault any moral or ethical objections to the contemporary view of progressive sexual expression.

I am going to confine my remarks to address the, 'school' aspect of this issue as that article and recent events and occurrences across the nation draw attention to campus activities and the prevailing liberal agenda.

We send our children off to school at a very young age. All children have a parent, they used to have two, but anymore, most do not. We, in general, entrust our schools to educate our children and to some extent, 'socialize' them into learning acceptable behaviors outside the home, among their peers, protected and supervised to insure their safety and well being.

Not to cite a long history of infringements and betrayals of that basic trust afforded the schools, I do cite recent controversy concerning eleven year old children given access to condoms and birth control chemicals without parental notification or permission.

I also cite recent items concerning abortions provided young school girls without parental consent or notification and the continual agenda of sex education in the schools that promote, 'safe' sex, at an age far too young for the child to comprehend.

As an aside, my recent curiosity about internet pornography has led me to several 'college orgies', in which indiscriminate, promiscuous, recreational sex even becomes a spectator sport with groups of students looking on and filming the various acts.

Each and every one of those girls being humiliated before the camera has concerned parents that would no doubt disapprove of their daughters exhibiting that kind of behavior.

Sex, as sport, was once the province of jaded intellectuals, artists, musicians, Bohemians, prostitutes and addicts occupying, along with pimps and criminals, the lowest rung of human degradation.

But now, our brave new world intellectuals are foisting this aberrant behavior on general society as if it were acceptable and should be tolerated and welcomed.

And of course, the 'usual suspects' Pure and the Gang, join in a group grope to attack anyone that opposes this degrading lifestyle.

What else is new?

Amicus...
 
You know, reading the original posting I got the feeling the guy just wasn't getting laid as often as he thought he should. A bit of the sour grapes if you will.

(Damn these other guys are getting laid almost every day and I'm not getting any. This just isn't right. I'll have to stop this.)

Cat

Snicker. I was thinking that might be the case as well.
 
thanks for dropping in amicus,

when i read the story i thought of you.

the moral outrage, the sham,

Sex, as sport, was once the province of jaded intellectuals, artists, musicians, Bohemians, prostitutes and addicts occupying, along with pimps and criminals, the lowest rung of human degradation.

But now, our brave new world intellectuals are foisting this aberrant behavior on general society as if it were acceptable and should be tolerated and welcomed.


you and jerry falwell. peas in the pod. anti-liberty all the way.
 
prominent conservatives denounce actions by liberals, oppressing conservatives

liberals, as a hate group, turn to violence, to suppress abstinence message. a news story as it looked two days ago.

http://www.nysun.com/article/68139


"It's a terrible incident, but it doesn't surprise me," a conservative author who has campaigned against a culture of left-wing conformity on college campuses, David Horowitz, said in an interview. "The left has now become the hate group."




Report of Attack Rattles Princeton

By ANNIE KARNI

Staff Reporter of the [New York] Sun
December 17, 2007

PRINCETON, N.J. — An alleged physical attack on a Princeton University student who is leading a movement to instill conservative moral values among undergraduates is rattling the campus here.

A politics major from Texas who is a junior, Francisco Nava, said he was physically attacked Friday, beaten, and rendered unconscious by two black-clad men about two miles from campus, he told the student newspaper, the Daily Princetonian, in an interview.

The rare incidence of violence within the Ivy League prompted an outcry from conservative students and faculty who said they felt singled out by the Princeton administration and the majority of the student body, who remained silent in the face of what looked to many like a politically charged attack.

But the disclosure today that Mr. Nava fabricated a death threat against himself and his roommate when he was a high school student at the Groton School, has some students questioning his account of the last week's attack as well as the series of death threats he said he received this semester after airing his morally conservative views.

In high school, Mr. Nava wrote a death threat using an anti-homosexual slur, the Web site Firstthings.com reported this morning. Mr. Nava's roommate at Groton was a founder of the Gay-Straight Alliance, according to the Web site.

"Evidently he did it once when he was a student at the Groton School," a professor of jurisprudence, Robert George, confirmed to The New York Sun. Several students at Princeton said yesterday that they did not want to pass any judgment on the situation without more information.

"Those of us who saw him at the emergency room find it difficult to believe he could have done this himself. The physical manifestations were too evident, too severe," Mr. George said. Mr. Nava earlier had told Mr. George about the incident at Groton, but denied that he sent the death threats at Princeton, or that he fabricated the attack, Mr. George said.

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Mr. Nava told the student paper that the two men pinned him against a wall, repeatedly bashed his head against the bricks, and told him to shut up. Mr. Nava told the student paper that the assailants did not steal his wallet, credit cards, or cell phone.

No suspects had been identified yesterday, and the Princeton Township Police Department said it would not comment on the pending investigation.

The attack came two days after Mr. Nava, a leader of the Anscombe Society, a morally conservative student group that speaks out against same-sex marriage and pre-marital sex, received death threats via e-mail. Three other Anscombe leaders and a conservative professor also received the threats.

A Princeton senior who received the e-mail death threats, Sherif Girgis, said initially it didn't concern him. "I thought this threat would go the way 99.9% of them go — which is not beyond e-mail," he said. The text of the e-mail included an expletive, addressed every recipient by his first name, and threatened to "destroy" them. One e-mail used the word "kill."

Two days after the e-mail incident, the Anscombe Society's adviser, Mr. George, called Mr. Girgis to alert him that Mr. Nava had been attacked and was recovering in the emergency room.

Over the weekend, Mr. Nava's jaw was badly swollen, his face was covered with cuts and abrasions, and the inside of his mouth was bleeding, Mr. George, who was also a target of the death threats, said after visiting Mr. Nava in the emergency room.

Mr. Nava was moved over the weekend to the McCosh Health Center on campus.

Yesterday, a line of solemn-looking students, including Mr. Nava's girlfriend, stood outside his room while a nurse allowed two police officers to enter. The nurse eventually turned the friends and this reporter away, and said too many visitors were creating a disruptive atmosphere.

With an active Republicans Club, a pro-life club, three major Evangelical groups, and the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions that is led by Professor George, Princeton University is considered one of the Ivy League's more conservative campuses.

But many conservative students at Princeton say they were being singled out for expressing unpopular views.

"There would rightly be outrage had the student been part of some other minority on campus," said a 2006 Princeton graduate who works at a conservative think tank in Washington, D.C., Michael Fragoso. "I have yet to see that right now, and that's rather disappointing."

"Are there double standards and reforms that need to be made? Absolutely," Mr. George said in an interview.

A senior at Princeton, Stephen Hsia, wrote in a column for the student newspaper that more upsetting than a late reaction from the administration was the lack of student reaction. "The reaction of the student body has been noticeably silent," Mr. Hsia wrote.

The atmosphere on campus yesterday was calm, as students filed by twos and threes into the library to prepare for their end-of-semester exams. Many students eating lunch at the Frist Campus Center yesterday said they had not heard about the incident at all, and that staging protests was not part of the culture on campus.

Mr. Nava, a Mormon, attracted attention earlier this year after penning a guest column in the student newspaper criticizing Princeton's campaign to distribute free condoms on campus as a "tacit sponsorship of hookup sex."

He began receiving threatening letters and e-mails after the column ran, student sources said.

The president of Princeton's senior class, Thomas Haine, yesterday called the university's reaction to the initial death threats received by Mr. Nava "unacceptable."

"To my knowledge, no one from the university ever contacted Nava about several reported death threats," Mr. Haine said.


[Continued from page 3 of 4]

Princeton's Anscombe Society has been meeting with administrators regularly to discuss its concerns about the treatment of conservative students on campus.

Administrators agreed that a sex-education skit that students act out during freshman orientation, "Sex on a Saturday Night," will be modified to include an abstinent character, Anscombe leaders said.

The group is also working with abstinence groups at Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The co-president of a loosely affiliated Harvard group, Leo Keliher, said students are mulling a conference this spring to bring together morally conservative groups from many different college campuses.

Some students yesterday said they the incident would not intimidate them into silence.

"An assault on those who express their opinion hurts all of us who might want to express their views. If you have a problem with what I say, then come and get me," a sophomore who is a member of the Princeton College Republicans, Wyatt Yankus, wrote on a blog, Princetontory.blogspot.com.


"It's a terrible incident, but it doesn't surprise me," a conservative author who has campaigned against a culture of left-wing conformity on college campuses, David Horowitz, said in an interview. "The left has now become the hate group."

A conservative professor at Harvard, Harvey Mansfield, said he is outraged. "I hope Princeton comes down on them like a ton of bricks, and by Princeton I mean either the university or the township or both," Mr. Mansfield said. "It should be easy for liberals to identify a case of intolerance; they're good at that."
A spokeswoman for Princeton, Cass Cliatt, said the university does not comment on situations involving students when they are off campus. "This is the township's investigation," she wrote in an e-mail.

Public safety officials have told the threatened students that they are patrolling the grounds around their dormitories, Mr. Girgis said.
 
hey, it's hard being a martyr! YOU try smashing yourself in the face with your fists, smashing your head with a pop bottle, and banging it on a brick wall!

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update from the Sun, yesterday:

http://www.nysun.com/article/68210?page_no=3


Members of the Anscombe Society said they had canceled a candlelight vigil and any plans for a weekend solidarity event because they didn't want to jump to any conclusions about the incident.

no abstinence vigil tonight!
 
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hey, it's hard being a martyr! YOU try smashing yourself in the face with your fists and banging your head on a brick wall!

Seems as if he was doing that to begin with--the head banging that is. :D

Deliver us from the obcessively self-rightous.
 
The guy seems like something of a crackpot, but I suppose he means well. Definitely, I would be against threatening him or attacking him for saying foolish things, even though I disagree with him.

Agreed: threatening him, much less attacking him, is not right. But I don't think this guy means well at all: I think he's saying "Well, I am strong enough to resist this problem myself and act accordingly, but all of you/them/that other group is of weak moral fiber and incapable of making the sound decisions that I am."

Wotta load of horseshit!! Distributing condoms and having them available makes for safer sex. There's that great quote from Judy Monroe, Indiana health commissioner, on the subject of an STD vaccination (Merck's Gardasil) "promoting" sex among teenagers, who said ""There's no evidence that seat belts have increased reckless driving. There is no evidence that when we get tetanus shots, we seek rusty nails."

I think that the same can also be said of condoms. There's no evidence that having condoms handy promoted sex; they promoted safer sex.

I'm almost 52 (gack!) and students were busy trying to get laid or getting laid when I was in college in the early 70s and I have it on abundantly good authority from my parents that the same thing was happening when they were in college in the early 50s. I have little doubt that the same thing is happening at all times for colleges: a bunch of kids in their late teens and early 20s are tasting the joys of living away from home for the first time and they're going to want to take their surging hormones out for a spin.

Why dickheads like this politics major think they can rewrite human nature to make it tidier never ceases to amaze and disgust me. They're entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean that their opinion isn't complete shit.

Addendum: I read the follow-on post that says that he faked the whole thing and that he's done that once before. Holy crud! He's doing some serious acting out. And converting from RC to LDS and doing missionary work--oy veh, there's some serious identity issues he's having with his family, his sexuality, and a lot of other things! I'd suggest a whole wad of therapy for this guy; he is some special kinda fucked up.

Under the circumstances, I hope he really beat the crap out of himself.

Addendum, 12/20: I talked to a dear friend of mine. She and I agreed that women are actually probably much better set up to deal with sportfucking than men. A lot of men tend to follow their dicks emotionally and get all moony about the women they're fucking. (And probably men, too, but I don't have experience in that area to base any opinion on.) Which brings it all back to the idea that this guy Nava is one seriously damaged piece of goods.
 
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