President Bush: Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People

Re: But But But....

Azwed said:
They started it.... :D

I know that was a joke, but in response ....

We need to finish it, but we need to do it TOGETHER, in house fighting of any sort needs to stop and we need to work TOGETHER.
 
We can support the troops without supporting the President.
- Republican Trent Lott during the Kosovo crisis referring to Clinton.
 
Yes and I agree my argument has nothing at all to do with supporting the President, I just want people to support each other ... read the thread, these people seem more worried about who is who and who is saying what than in fixing the problem.

Lets work as a team and forget about the politics ... Please.
 
'Love they neighbor' is a religious sentiment and it is found no where in the constitution while treat your neighbor as an equal and let your neighbor think as they want is. The idea that we should all love one another, or even like one another, is faulty on both an idealistic and pragmatic level.
 
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'Love they neighbor' is a religious sentiment and it is found no where in the constitution while treat your neighbor as an equal and let your neighbor think as they want is. The idea that we should all love one another, or even like one another, is faulty on both an idealistic and pragmatic level.

You need neither love nor like your neighbour but if you treat them with consideration and respect it works wonders!
 
I do apologize

Honestly ya'll I am quite sorry.
I am not usually a hostile person but all this has affected me in a way I can't explain. I am sure this has done this to many, many people. I have always been a "patriotic" person so I have always had out a flag, flag bumper stickers, you know typical things. I am a member of the VFW and have been for almost my whole life. I am also a member of the American legion.

My grandpa taught me to be glad to be American, to be proud of my country, to be proud of her service men, be they police, firefighters or Army, Navy, Airforce, or Marines. I feel like we are all so lucky yet we all take for granted the wonderful lives we are able to live here. My God, if I had been born in Afganistan, I could be stoned to death for leaving without a male relative. If I were born in any number of places being female would sign my death warrant.

My country welcomes me with open arms. I am able to learn, to work, to CHOOSE so many different things. These are the things I have always loved about America.

At this time I feel like it really is the best thing if we rally behind our President. I mean, I was not a staunch Bush supporter, believe me. But he is OUR President, regardless if you voted for him or not. He is the person that is up there and if you ask me he is doing one hell of a job. Would any of us want to deal with what he is dealing with now.

Just like our Flag, our President sort of unites us. He is our figure head and we have to rally behind him. Not only since he is the President but because he is an American, he is trying to do what is best for our future generations.

And that's all I have to say about that.
 
If you've ever watched "The West Wing" you'd see the process of how a speech like that is written. Bush no doubt was involved in the writing, but he wasn't holed up in the Oval Office for 10 hours with a pencil scribbling. The Prez has to give major speeches almost every day, all over the country, on many different subjects. He has the final say about what he's going to say (for example, Bush far more often invokes God than previous Presidents), but the inspiring words often come from people who are more talented at that sort of thing. And have the time.

It's better than the speech I feared he would give, which was for him to stand up behind the lectern, rip of his shirt, and scream, "II'S CLOBBERING TIME!!!!" to the hoots and hollers of the Congress.
 
Impressive!

I was criticised for not liking GWB's address to the nation right after the strike against us. Last nights speach was the best I've heard, by a President, in my entire lifetime!

I didn't know he had it in him!
 
Re: GRRRRRRRRRRRR

Kasha said:
You know what who cares if the man wrote the fucking speech. He is OUR president and he delivered it and I am sure that he if there was something in that speech he didn't want to say then GODDAMN it he wouldn't have said it.

Fucking grow up and find someone else to pick on. I am a UNITED STATES citizen and I am sick to death of people bad mouthing our president. I am all for free speech but there are other things we can focus on other than ..."Well, you know he didn't write that speech"... BLAH SHUT UP!!









( I do apologize for this outburst but I am feeling a bit enraged and normally I try and not to offend anyone here but tonight honestly I don't give a shit.)


you write this and tell ME to grow up? anybody who can put "I'm all for free speech" and "BLAH SHUT UP!!" in the same sentence clearly doesn't understand the meaning of free speech

and in response to christo...the west wing is tv, hon...and if it takes someone 10 hours to write a speech then we need better talent at the top...or (more to the point) that the speech is being created to spin an image rather than to reflect character...besides, this was hardly an "every day" sort of speech

all i'm saying (listen closely now) is that we really have no idea what our leaders are at their very cores...they're shrouded in image...and that's not just bush, it's condit and clinton and gore (well, maybe not gore...who would have invented THAT image?) and all of them...i'm not against what bush said or even the man himself...read (carefully) everything i've written on this and other threads and you'll find that that's true...i just look at the world from the side sometimes and get amazed how people get swept off into these things...if growing up means becoming a stepford wife, well forget it, i'm not interested

apology accepted by the way...i do appreciate that emotions are wrenched pretty tight these days...mine are too...i too meant no offense (well, except to the dom guy, but that was a knee-jerk reaction to his insulting me first...which IS a childish response, so in response to that, i will try to grow up)

and i agree with kasha entirely, and with our canadian friend too...unite, unite, unite (but don't expect me to stop thinking)

damn, i got drawn into this again...
 
You know - you all get so worked up over minutiae that it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Sigh didn't say anything all that terrible did she? She didn't say anything that any halfway intelligent person shouldn't have already known. In fact, my first reaction on reading her post was... "DUH!!!"... *lol* - maybe she said it in a way that could have been taken as derogatory to our President and Nation... but the way most of you reacted was actually considerably more divisive.

I guess people are all a bit sensitive right now and tend to over react. All I have to say to that is... don't. You know? Cut people some slack - we all need it.

Of course Bush has speech writers - but you know something - doesn't matter who wrote it - he has to back it up, live with those words, and take the responsibility for them.
 
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i have to laugh...yes, dillinger, that first posting was MEANT to be a DUH!!...glad you noticed

and i love your mark twain quote by the way...as you might imagine, i'm a big fan of his

and yes, celestial, i'm scared too
 
Yes I saw that. Is that just the way she normally is? Does she not realize that cameras would be on her?

And hey - for all you people ready to jump on any derogatory comment about your favorite democrats or replicans... fuck off, ok?

Anyone watching should have easily been able to see how incredibly bored she looked. I have no idea what she was really thinking or feeling - maybe she hasn't slept in a week... maybe that's just the way she always comes across - who knows... but...

Let me tell you what it looked like... on NATIONAL TV... it sure as hell looked like she'd rather be somewhere - anywhere else...

Whatever she really thought of things - this is what it LOOKED like... her PR person should be ripping her a new one today.
 
CelestialBody said:
I thought she looked about as happy as I am.

I thought she was thinking, 'Goddam, if he pulls this shit off, I'll have to wait till 2008 to be Queen.'
 
WD

Before you get too carried away with looking forward to the next Presidential election remember that Winston Churchill led Britain through WWII but lost the next election . People wanted to move on, draw a line, start afresh and forget the past traumas.
 
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I am going to stick my neck out here and say hopefully not in an unamerican way....That the speech was indeed very good and served it's purpose perfectly but I think we all need to remember who the president was before this whole thing happened.This is a political windfall for him. How much better can it get than to right the wrongs of America in your first term of office? Maybe this will make him a better person/president. I certainly hope so our country deserves it. But let us also remember that he has other jobs to do for this nation as a whole. So far he doesn't have the best track record. We, as Americans are still in the ego stage of our develpment (kind of like children under age 5) and if we are not careful there won't be a planet on which to develop further as a nation. Wouldn't that be a shame when our nation has such great potential? Be informed in your patriotism. Yes we live in a fabulous county but that doesn't exempt us from behaving in a resposible way.

Whatever your beliefs, know what your president is doing. Here is a
list of his work in
his first six months:

* Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

* Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.

* Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.

* Cut by 50% funding for research into renewable energy sources.

* Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in
drinking water.

* Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer
bilingual assistance to
non-English speaking persons. This, from a candidate who would
readily fire-up his
Spanish-speaking skills in front of would-be Hispanic voters.

* Proposed to eliminate new marine protections for the Channel
Islands and the coral reefs
of northwest Hawaii. San Francisco Chronicle, April 6, 2001

* Cut funding by 28% for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks.

* Suspended rules that would have strengthened the government's
ability to deny contracts
to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other
federal laws.

* OK'd Interior Department appointee Gale Norton to send out letters
to state officials
soliciting suggestions for opening up national monuments for oil and
gas drilling, coal
mining, and foresting.

* Appointed John Negroponte - an un-indicted high level Iran Contra
figure-to the post of
United Nations ambassador.

* Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest
conservation.

* Reduced by 86% the Community Access Program for public hospitals,
clinics and providers
of care for people without insurance.

* Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about
the potential
consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents.

* Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up
sites on Western public
lands.

* Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program
for public housing.

* Proposed to eliminate a federal program designed to help
communities (and successfully
used in Seattle) prepare for natural disasters.

* Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement.

* Cut $200 million of work force training for dislocated workers.

* Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages

farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property.

* Cut program to provide childcare to low-income families as they
move from welfare to
work.

* Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to
federal employees
(though it still pays for Viagra).

* Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing.

* Appointed Otto Reich - an un-indicted high level Iran Contra
figure-to Assistant
Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs.

* Cut Environmental Protection Agency budget by $500 million.

* Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an
animal placed on the
Endangered Species List.

* Rescinded rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency
regulations for central
air conditioners and heat pumps.

* Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker
health and safety.

* Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide (CO2), the
waste gas that
contributes to global warming.

* Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that
offer abortion
counseling with other independent funds.

* Closed White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach.

* Nominated David Lauriski - ex-mining company executive-to post of
Assistant Secretary of
Labor for Mine Safety and Health.

* O.K.'d Interior Secretary Gale Norton to go forth with a
controversial plan to auction
oil and gas development tracts off the coast eastern of Florida.

* Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National
Forest to oil and
drilling.

* Proposes to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would
technically allow oil
and gas drilling "outside" of national monuments.

* Gutted White House AIDS Office.

* Renegotiating free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate
safeguards for the
environment and workers' rights.

* Will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in
recommendations for
the federal judiciary appointments.

* Appointed recycling foe Lynn Scarlett as Undersecretary of the Interior.

* Took steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

* Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program.

* Allowed Interior Secretary Gale Norton to shelve citizen-led grizzly bear
re-introduction plan scheduled for Idaho and Montana wilderness.

* Continues to hold up federal funding for stem cell research projects.

* Makes sure convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial
aid for college, though
convicted murderers can.

* Refused to fund continued cleanup of uranium-slag heap in Utah.

* Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco
company lawsuit.

* Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, of which 43% will go to the
wealthiest 1% of Americans.

* Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans
to file for
bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills.

* Appointed a Vice President quoted as saying "If you want to do
something about carbon
dioxide emissions, then you ought to build nuclear power plants."
Vice President Dick
Cheney on "Meet the Press."

* Appointed Diana "There is no gender gap in pay" Roth to the Council
of Economic
Advisers. Boston Globe, March 28, 2001

* Appointed Kay Cole James - an opponent of affirmative action-to
direct the Office of
Personnel Management.

* Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of
child abuse and neglect.

* Helped kill a law designed to make it tougher for teenagers to get
credit cards.

* Proposed elimination of the "Reading is Fundamental" program that
gives free books to
poor children.

* Is pushing for development of small nuclear weapons to attack deeply buried
targets-weapons, which would violate the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

* Proposes to nominate Jeffrey Sutton-attorney responsible for the
recent case weakening
the Americans with Disabilities Act-to federal appeals court judgeship.

* Proposes to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of
national forest from
logging and road building.

* Eliminated funding for the "We the People" education program which
taught schoolchildren
about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and citizenship.

* Appointed John Bolton - who opposes nonproliferation treaties and
the U.N. - to
Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.

* Nominated Linda Fisher - an executive with Monsanto-for the number
two job at the
Environmental Protection Agency.

* Nominated Michael McConnell-leading critic of the separation of
church and state-to a
federal judgeship.

* Nominated Terrence Boyle - ardent opponent of civil rights - to a
federal judgeship.

* Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars.

* Nominated Harvey Pitts - lawyer for teen sex video distributor-to head SEC.

* Nominated John Walters - strong opponent of prison drug treatment
programs-for Drug
Czar. Washington Post, May 16, 2001.

* Nominated J. Steven Giles - an oil and coal lobbyist - for Deputy
Secretary of the
Interior.

* Nominated Bennett Raley - who advocates repealing the Endangered
Species Act - for
Assistant Secretary for Water and Science.

* Is seeking the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S.
against Japan by
Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII.

* Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug
abuse prevention
programs to go only to religious groups and not secular equivalents.

* Reduced by 40% the Low Income Home Assistance Program for
low-income individuals who
need assistance paying energy bills.

* Nominated Ted Olson-who has repeatedly lied about his involvement
with the Scaiffe -
funded "Arkansas Project" to bring down Bill Clinton-for Solicitor General.

* Nominated Terrance Boyle-foe of civil rights - to a federal judgeship.

* Proposes to ease permit process - including environmental
considerations - for refinery,
nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction. Washington Post, May 18, 2001

* Proposes to give government the authority to take private property
through eminent
domain for power lines.

* Proposes that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable
energy come from selling
oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve.

* Plans on serving genetically engineered foods at all official
government functions.

* Forced out Forest Service chief Mike Dombeck and appointed a timber
industry lobbyist.
 
President Bush

I couldnt agree more. It was an incredible speech. He addressed every issue while being firm, decisive, and basically stating the point in laymens terms. We will be a stronger, united nation kept together by our respectable, strong willed, smart leader. We will be coming into trying times and we must always keep our unity alive and strong. I already see things coming out of the press that try to fray the edges of our trust and faith in our government. Yes there is always room for improvement, Yes there were & will be mistakes made. Just remember we have a common goal to achieve and only unity can keep us strong and victorious.

I try not to post politically because I get in such an uproar, and so animated and very opinionated. I am proud to be a Republican...however I dont vote stirctly on party lines. I was so ashamed, disgusted, appalled and embarrassed by the previous administration, and seriously looked at moving out of NYS when Hillary was elected here. Unfortunately finances and taking care of elderly parents wouldnt allow me to. It was like watching the "Beverly Hillbillies" with the Clintons in the White House. They are a disgrace to the American Constitution and the American Flag.

I am so happy that someone like George W Bush is our president. Our country is no longer the laughing stock it once was. Yes our government has faults, but I feel confident in his abilities as well as those in his cabinet. Everyone seems to make comments on "how dumb he is"....that is so untrue and unfair.
A smart man will surround himself with smarter people--thats what he has done. He has the best, brightest and most experienced in their fields taking care of our country. The previous administration had friends, party buddies, and people that could be easily hushed surrounding him.

I dont want this post to start some big political debate, just to remind everyone we must stick together regardless of party affiliation, race, religion, age, etc. We need each other for support, kindness, to lean on, to help us keep living in such a time of grief. To get past some of the pain and to heal.
 
Bush is a putz -

But he's doing ok so far with this thing. I think last night's was his best speech ever, which surprised me considerably. Were I to pick nits, I would say it was very suggestive, short on details. Frankly, that's about all he can say. It seems that the zeal by some of his key advisers to bomb Iraq for the hell of it has been vetoed, so I can't complain about that. Bush's religious discussion was actually intelligent enough, and didn't insult Muslims, and may have convinced some Americans not to attack Asians they don't understand. It was a speech for Americans, to buy time and patience, and I think it served its purpose very well.

I am loathe to allow Bush and the GOP to steal the national agenda simply because these psychopaths killed so many people. cyndiesweet's list is truly gut-wrenching. I am delighted that Sen. Patrick Leahy is fashioning his own security bill in place of Ashcroft's, giving the state mush if what it wants, but trying to preserve a few of our freedoms. It is possible that James Jeffords' party switch will have saved us from the worst instincts, and left us with that bipartisan glow that everyone lied about last year.

Bush has drawn up a tall ticket by which to be judged. He didn't ask for this particular set of problems. True, he has benefited immensely in the political short term. But he knows as much as anyone on the planet that it's possible to go from 91% approval to 37% in less than two years. Daddy's been there.

Oh, and the flagwavers' hysteria is revolting. It's a fucking piece of cloth. True mental support is priceless. If the hijackers were loose in the streets right now, making their way to a new target, they'd be waving Old Glory, too.
 
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